Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection
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i never said i hate you and never would.
If we both love the Lord Jesus Christ above ourselves, let us throw Holy Spirit Water on this right now and put out the fire of indignation.
Right now, the Lord Jesus Christ wants to Bless us both - let go of the anger and grab hold of the Holy Spirit.
Forgive me for not explaining myself in a more loving way towards you. i accept my wrong in this.
In my knowledge of the Truth i have been overzealous to help my brethren see that the only Element of God's Grace which Saved us and Keeps us is the Precious Blood of Christ and His Seat at the Right Hand of the Father, forever making intercession on our behalf.
My heart is open before the LORD for HE alone weighs the motives behind our words.
i thought that it would bless you to not only see beyond water baptism from Scripture, but the fact that it is not required for Resurrection in Christ.
i cannot revoke the Truth to appease you, nor will i apologize for knowing and believing the Truth as written in the Scriptures.
As i said at the beginning of this Post = forgive me for not being more loving towards your heart on this matter.
If we both love the Lord Jesus Christ above ourselves, let us throw Holy Spirit Water on this right now and put out the fire of indignation.
Right now, the Lord Jesus Christ wants to Bless us both - let go of the anger and grab hold of the Holy Spirit.
Forgive me for not explaining myself in a more loving way towards you. i accept my wrong in this.
In my knowledge of the Truth i have been overzealous to help my brethren see that the only Element of God's Grace which Saved us and Keeps us is the Precious Blood of Christ and His Seat at the Right Hand of the Father, forever making intercession on our behalf.
My heart is open before the LORD for HE alone weighs the motives behind our words.
i thought that it would bless you to not only see beyond water baptism from Scripture, but the fact that it is not required for Resurrection in Christ.
i cannot revoke the Truth to appease you, nor will i apologize for knowing and believing the Truth as written in the Scriptures.
As i said at the beginning of this Post = forgive me for not being more loving towards your heart on this matter.
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I dont think come our time to stand before God he'll condemn us dor not being baptized.
God did the work after all. Not us.
We'll see in due time.
God did the work after all. Not us.
We'll see in due time.
"And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams." (1 Samuel 15:22)
Thank you for your reply.
The emphasis of the Galatians scripture is this:
We who are Believers in Christ only arrived at this Holy Place of REST by the Holy Spirit.
"Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?" Gal 3:3
This applies to the law and to anything of the outward flesh, relying on religion including modern day religious activities,
that would replace Faith in the Finished Work of Christ, complete reliance on the Scripture and the ongoing Work of the Holy Spirit.
From the flesh came the birth of the Roman Catholic church and all of her children.
The emphasis of the Galatians scripture is this:
We who are Believers in Christ only arrived at this Holy Place of REST by the Holy Spirit.
"Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?" Gal 3:3
This applies to the law and to anything of the outward flesh, relying on religion including modern day religious activities,
that would replace Faith in the Finished Work of Christ, complete reliance on the Scripture and the ongoing Work of the Holy Spirit.
From the flesh came the birth of the Roman Catholic church and all of her children.
Keep your long-winded self-righteous speech. My stance on baptism and resurrection has not changed and in fact I see I am earning rewards in heaven for being attacked by you for preaching the truth. Thanks for that.
Now I will preach with even greater resolve and fervor.
To be clear, I am not angry at you nor did I feel tempted to not forgive you in advance.
Now I will preach with even greater resolve and fervor.
To be clear, I am not angry at you nor did I feel tempted to not forgive you in advance.
i am done baby sitting you - you open your mouth and speak your words and your foam at the mouth with hatred.
You started this thread with falsehood and many people have shown you your error - but you harden your heart instead of seeing the Beautiful Light of Scripture.
You elevate mere water as equal to the Precious Blood of Christ - this comes not from God
You dare to add to Scripture what it NEVER said about water baptism = "water baptism required for Resurrection"
You judge your own heart with your own words, for all to see.
You started this thread with falsehood and many people have shown you your error - but you harden your heart instead of seeing the Beautiful Light of Scripture.
You elevate mere water as equal to the Precious Blood of Christ - this comes not from God
You dare to add to Scripture what it NEVER said about water baptism = "water baptism required for Resurrection"
You judge your own heart with your own words, for all to see.
I assure you I am calm as can be and have no hate for you. You're the problem child here. Let me remind you that you've accused me of being possessed by an unclean spirit, said I am in danger, issued more than one warning to be, rebuked me, called me an non-believer all because I debated your interpretation of scriptura? That's so bad. What else? I've patiently endured and tolerated your attacks because you aren't a threat to me.
The Word of God refutes you and will have the final word here.
Romans 6:4,5
4We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.
5For if we have been united with Him like this in His death, we will certainly also be united with Him in His resurrection.
If you are united with Jesus "like this" in His death... Like this is the act of water baptism. Going down into the water is symbolic of Christ's death because He was buried down in the Earth, in that way we are united with Christ "Like this" in His death.
Water baptism is for a literal resurrection... "we will certainly also be united with Him in His resurrection."
The Word of God refutes you and will have the final word here.
Romans 6:4,5
4We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.
5For if we have been united with Him like this in His death, we will certainly also be united with Him in His resurrection.
If you are united with Jesus "like this" in His death... Like this is the act of water baptism. Going down into the water is symbolic of Christ's death because He was buried down in the Earth, in that way we are united with Christ "Like this" in His death.
Water baptism is for a literal resurrection... "we will certainly also be united with Him in His resurrection."
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This might actually be talking about the baptism in the Holy Spirit- if you look at v.3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
and we know that
by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Being baptized in water =/= being baptized into Jesus. You are in him, when he is in you. When he baptizes you.
It's by the Holy Spirit that we can mortify the deeds of the flesh, right? It's certainly not by going into water.
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
and we know that
by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Being baptized in water =/= being baptized into Jesus. You are in him, when he is in you. When he baptizes you.
It's by the Holy Spirit that we can mortify the deeds of the flesh, right? It's certainly not by going into water.
That is your belief.
You are reading "water" into the verse.
They may well have been water baptized, but what saved them was when "the Holy Ghost came on them."
Becoming born again of the Holy Spirit is what saves a person. Again, there is one baptism (Eph 4:5), and it is by one Spirit that we are baptized into the body of Christ (1 Cor 12:13).
You are reading "water" into the verse.
They may well have been water baptized, but what saved them was when "the Holy Ghost came on them."
Becoming born again of the Holy Spirit is what saves a person. Again, there is one baptism (Eph 4:5), and it is by one Spirit that we are baptized into the body of Christ (1 Cor 12:13).
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I think people who live afraid and first believe Salvation is conditional and absolute submission is requisite to retain their deliverance aren't actually living in peace.
They're instead living in fear and are constantly hoping to glean a clue as to how to best commit to what they imagine as God's will.
How can they though? When they're first preoccupied with their belief that salvation is impermanent? And conditioned on their intuiting God's intentions for them. Living by the rules.
And oddly, that belief system will also be adament that God's law is done away with.
God is absolutely sovereign. And Omniscient.
Not one of us comes to faith in Christ unless God draws us.
I am certain my father who told me he knew me before the womb, and wrote my name in his book of life, knows not only the number of hairs on my head but also everything there is about me. From conception to my last breath.
And God called me into his grace and irrevocably gifted me faith and salvation anyway.
I live his peace because I know I'm to respect my father ("fear" God).
Not live terrified I'll slip up being all that he created me to be, so that he proves himself a liar and revokes what he promised is irrevocable.
I am a new creation in Christ. Reborn into the light, my sins forgiven and never to be held against me sgain. I am not dead in sin. I am eternally alive in Christ in whom there is no sin.
Should I stumble, my Lord is my rescue and I am not condemned ever ever again.
So, while I know there are proponents of conditional reprieve from their damnable state, I shall not be persuaded to believe them when they insist their doctrine is righteous.
God's word is sure. And fear is not living in peace.
They're instead living in fear and are constantly hoping to glean a clue as to how to best commit to what they imagine as God's will.
How can they though? When they're first preoccupied with their belief that salvation is impermanent? And conditioned on their intuiting God's intentions for them. Living by the rules.
And oddly, that belief system will also be adament that God's law is done away with.
God is absolutely sovereign. And Omniscient.
Not one of us comes to faith in Christ unless God draws us.
I am certain my father who told me he knew me before the womb, and wrote my name in his book of life, knows not only the number of hairs on my head but also everything there is about me. From conception to my last breath.
And God called me into his grace and irrevocably gifted me faith and salvation anyway.
I live his peace because I know I'm to respect my father ("fear" God).
Not live terrified I'll slip up being all that he created me to be, so that he proves himself a liar and revokes what he promised is irrevocable.
I am a new creation in Christ. Reborn into the light, my sins forgiven and never to be held against me sgain. I am not dead in sin. I am eternally alive in Christ in whom there is no sin.
Should I stumble, my Lord is my rescue and I am not condemned ever ever again.
So, while I know there are proponents of conditional reprieve from their damnable state, I shall not be persuaded to believe them when they insist their doctrine is righteous.
God's word is sure. And fear is not living in peace.
Not even close.
To be "baptized into the name of..." is the ritual of water baptism
To be "baptized INTO Christ" is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Eph 1-
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
A person is "included in Christ when he/she believed, and were marked IN Him with a seal, the Holy Spirit.
Couldn't be any more clear.
To be "baptized into the name of..." is the ritual of water baptism
To be "baptized INTO Christ" is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Eph 1-
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
A person is "included in Christ when he/she believed, and were marked IN Him with a seal, the Holy Spirit.
Couldn't be any more clear.
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Baptism of the Holy Spirit is for getting into the spiritual body of Christ and it’s for salvation of the soul. That’s perfectly clear.
What I am trying to show you is they water baptism is required for the first resurrection and water baptism gets people into the resurrection of Christ.
Romans 6:4,5 is water baptism. There isn’t an apparent reason to see it as something else since baptism was a common practice in the church. If you told someone “you’ve been baptized into Christ” with a baptism they can’t even see or experience then that’s more difficult to understand. The language Paul used suggests “immersion in literal water” and that’s how the Romans would have understood his letter when they saw Romans 6.
What I am trying to show you is they water baptism is required for the first resurrection and water baptism gets people into the resurrection of Christ.
Romans 6:4,5 is water baptism. There isn’t an apparent reason to see it as something else since baptism was a common practice in the church. If you told someone “you’ve been baptized into Christ” with a baptism they can’t even see or experience then that’s more difficult to understand. The language Paul used suggests “immersion in literal water” and that’s how the Romans would have understood his letter when they saw Romans 6.
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