Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

[Wansvic]

Your opening statement is false.

The Scriptures are TRUE

Believe the ALL the scripture and not your isolated viewpoint that excludes the TRUTH.

The scriptures provided state specifically that the individuals actually received the Holy Ghost. To accept or reject what is recorded is a choice each of us must make.

Acts 2:2-4
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:33
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Acts 8:17
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:47
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Acts 19:2
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

Acts 11:6
Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ;

Luke 11:13
...how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Wrong. God's word is not..."notions"!!!

Quite correct.

Then please explain these scriptures;

Baptism is Required

Find a verse that says or show clearly that water baptism is required for salvation.

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

It is dishonest to leave out the first part: "this water (literal) SYMBOLIZES the baptism (Holy Spirit) that does now save us"

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In v.3 Jesus told Nic he must be born again to see/enter the kingdom of God.
So in v.4 confused Nic asks Jesus how can a man enter into his mother's womb A SECOND TIME. He thought Jesus was speaking about another physical birth. Which is ludicrous.
In v.5 Jesus cleared up Nic's confusion by noting that a man must be born physically AND spiritually to enter the kingdom of God.

So, "born of water" IN CONTEXT means physical birth, which is what Nic was thinking of.

 

[DavidTree]

The scriptures provided state specifically that the individuals actually received the Holy Ghost. To accept or reject what is recorded is a choice each of us must make.

Acts 2:2-4
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:33
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Acts 8:17
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:47
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Acts 19:2
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

Acts 11:6
Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ;

Luke 11:13
...how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Isolated scriptures to prove your opinion.

This is what opinionated people do.

TRUTH-FULL Believers who have been Baptized by the HOLY SPIRIT hold ALL the Scripture in their hearts.
No contradictions and no confusion = Genesis to Revelation

 

[Magenta]

Ezekiel 36:25-26

 

[Wansvic]

Isolated scriptures to prove your opinion.

This is what opinionated people do.

TRUTH-FULL Believers who have been Baptized by the HOLY SPIRIT hold ALL the Scripture in their hearts.
No contradictions and no confusion = Genesis to Revelation

God provides evidence concerning His truth. As stated truth concerning any topic will always be confirmed by at least 2-3 scriptures stating the same thing.


"But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established." Matt 18:16

"In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." 2 Cor 13:1

 

[DavidTree]

God provides evidence concerning His truth. As stated truth concerning any topic will always be confirmed by at least 2-3 scriptures stating the same thing.


"But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established." Matt 18:16

"In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." 2 Cor 13:1

This is ALL True = Stay in the Truth

 

[BeeThePeace]

Grace is the ...umbrella...if you will ...under which we may receive eternal salvation by keeping God's commandments. One of which is that we be baptized to wash away sins. (We can not receive ..grace...unless we repent .....as same with baptism...same with living a righteous life, etc).
There is also a ...new age religion teaching ...that repentance is required. Do you buy that?

Baptism is Required



Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

.......If you were baptized for some reason other than for forgiveness of sins in order to be saved then you do not have salvation and you are still lost. Who are you going to follow: God or man? As our Lord warns us in Matthew 15:14, "And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a ditch." Don't allow someone, who has added to and taken away from God's word, to lead you. Open your eyes and read God's word for yourself. Those who have added to and taken away from God's word will be lost. If you continue to follow them, then you too will be lost.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).

It is not required, mandatory. That's simply a fact.

Those who manufactur limits to God's saving grace shall answer for every word as they do the enemies service in trying to convince Christians they are not saved by grace through faith the moment they believe.

Reminds me of the serpent in Eden. "Did God really say....."
Only as a new monologue. DID God really say you are saved the moment you believe? Or did he add the caviat mandating Baptism, elae you're not actually saved at all?"

 

[peldom10]

........correction of error post 1,237.....should read;

There is also a ...new age religion teaching ...that repentance is not required. Do you buy that?

 

[peldom10]

It is not required, mandatory. That's simply a fact.

Those who manufactur limits to God's saving grace shall answer for every word as they do the enemies service in trying to convince Christians they are not saved by grace through faith the moment they believe.

Reminds me of the serpent in Eden. "Did God really say....."
Only as a new monologue. DID God really say you are saved the moment you believe? Or did he add the caviat mandating Baptism, elae you're not actually saved at all?"

You haven't answered post #1235...why?
The fact is ...
You are wrong. Here is proof;

Baptism is Required



Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

.......If you were baptized for some reason other than for forgiveness of sins in order to be saved then you do not have salvation and you are still lost. Who are you going to follow: God or man? As our Lord warns us in Matthew 15:14, "And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a ditch." Don't allow someone, who has added to and taken away from God's word, to lead you. Open your eyes and read God's word for yourself. Those who have added to and taken away from God's word will be lost. If you continue to follow them, then you too will be lost.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
========================

Now ..where is your proof that baptism is NOT required?

 

[FreeGrace2]

........correction of error post 1,237.....should read;

There is also a ...new age religion teaching ...that repentance is not required. Do you buy that?

I would depend on what the teaching means by "repentance".

Many think it means to "turn from sin". iow, changing one's lifestyle. Do you accept the teaching that changing your lifestyle will get you into heaven?

Now, the teaching that repentance means a change of mind, then YES, it is required for salvation.

iow, no one can be saved UNLESS they do change their mind about a lot of things.

Here are samples of ideas that have to be changed:

1. there is no heaven
2. there is no God
3. I can save myself by my lifestyle
4. I'm going to heaven because I'm better than a lot of people
5. I'm going to heaven because I was baptized in water
6. I can help Jesus with saving me

This is just a small sample. But I think you get the picture.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You haven't answered post #1235...why?
The fact is ...
You are wrong. Here is proof;

Baptism is Required

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

.......If you were baptized for some reason other than for forgiveness of sins in order to be saved then you do not have salvation and you are still lost. Who are you going to follow: God or man? As our Lord warns us in Matthew 15:14, "And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a ditch." Don't allow someone, who has added to and taken away from God's word, to lead you. Open your eyes and read God's word for yourself. Those who have added to and taken away from God's word will be lost. If you continue to follow them, then you too will be lost.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).

All your repeated "copy and paste" posts fail to convince. Especially since I've refuted all the verses, and you are continuing to be DISHONEST about 1 Pet 3:21. It doesn't say water baptism saves. It says water baptism SYMBOLIZES the baptism that does save. Meaning, of course, the Holy Spirit.

Now ..where is your proof that baptism is NOT required?

Paul's own words in 1 Cor 1-
14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name.
16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)

He was making the point that water baptism is NOT required for salvation. If it was, and Paul WAS the greatest evangelist ever, these words make no sense.

Further, Paul's answer to the jailer refutes your notion. Jailer asked what he MUST DO to be saved. Paul ignored baptism in his answer. He said "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved".

Yes, the jailer was baptized later, but Paul's answer certainly clarifies how one is saved. NO mention of water.

Eph 1:13,14 explain how a person becomes united with Christ. It is by believing in Him. Again, NO mention of water.

You are hung up on a few verses that you've taken totally out of context. But instead of bowing your knee to Scripture, you simply double down with your unbibilcal ideas.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Now ..where is your proof that baptism is NOT required?

Please read through Romans 3 and 4 and Galatians 3. These chapters deal with salvation/justification.

I challenge you to find any verse about water baptism in any of these 3 chapters.

 

[Mem]

In v.3 Jesus told Nic he must be born again to see/enter the kingdom of God.
So in v.4 confused Nic asks Jesus how can a man enter into his mother's womb A SECOND TIME. He thought Jesus was speaking about another physical birth. Which is ludicrous.
In v.5 Jesus cleared up Nic's confusion by noting that a man must be born physically AND spiritually to enter the kingdom of God.

So, "born of water" IN CONTEXT means physical birth, which is what Nic was thinking of.

There is an outcry of 'absurd' that Jesus is speaking of being born naturally in the first place in order to then be born spiritually but I can accept this understanding considering this earth currently is a temporal world much as a corridor to the eternal, or 'real,' world to come. That is, although there are some that are here that will not be there, there will be no one there that was never first here and thereby circumvented the necessary opportunity to 'choose (real) life.'

 

[FreeGrace2]

There is an outcry of 'absurd' that Jesus is speaking of being born naturally in the first place in order to then be born spiritually but I can accept this understanding considering this earth currently is a temporal world much as a corridor to the eternal, or 'real,' world to come. That is, although there are some that are here that will not be there, there will be no one there that was never first here and thereby circumvented the necessary opportunity to 'choose (real) life.'

Why would you say it is "absurd" that Jesus would have answered Nic in the same context that Nic was thinking??

It makes perfect sense.

If water baptism is required for salvation, how come Rom 3,4, and Gal 3, which are chapters that deal directly with salvation/justification, there is no mention of water?

 

[BeeThePeace]

You haven't answered post #1235...why?
The fact is ...
You are wrong. Here is proof;

Baptism is Required



Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

.......If you were baptized for some reason other than for forgiveness of sins in order to be saved then you do not have salvation and you are still lost. Who are you going to follow: God or man? As our Lord warns us in Matthew 15:14, "And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a ditch." Don't allow someone, who has added to and taken away from God's word, to lead you. Open your eyes and read God's word for yourself. Those who have added to and taken away from God's word will be lost. If you continue to follow them, then you too will be lost.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
========================

Now ..where is your proof that baptism is NOT required?

I didn't respond because it, like this post of yours, is a repeat of your same rhetoric just phrased somewhat differently.

You're wrong for putting your conditions against God's plan of grace through faith that he bestows. Neither Jesus nor Paul EVER said, if you're not baptized you're not saved.

You're wrong because Jesus saves. Jesus paid our price for our sins. And the moment we believe that, we're saved. Our sins forgiven forever, reborn as a new creation in Christ, indwelt by the holy spirit.

Your doctrine disavows the teachings of Paul and Jesus.

You're wrong insisting we must be baptized, it is required, mandated, or we're not saved while you ignore the facts that prove you're wrong.

Jesus did not baptize anyone. Paul stated he did not come to baptize.

Jesus was to die to seal the new covenant, the salvation of humanity. He never baptized anyone.
If baptism was mandated for his good news to secure our salvation, he missed a step according to your doctrine
And Paul said he didn't come to baptize, so the same for him too.

You're adding to Jesus teaching what Jesus never said.
That's why you and others that follow your error will always be wrong.

And when scripture from Christ can't turn you right, repeating this fact in a forum never shall.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I didn't respond because it, like this post of yours, is a repeat of your same rhetoric just phrased somewhat differently.

You're wrong for putting your conditions against God's plan of grace through faith that he bestows. Neither Jesus nor Paul EVER said, if you're not baptized you're not saved.

You're wrong because Jesus saves. Jesus paid our price for our sins. And the moment we believe that, we're saved. Our sins forgiven forever, reborn as a new creation in Christ, indwelt by the holy spirit.

Your doctrine disavows the teachings of Paul and Jesus.

You're wrong insisting we must be baptized, it is required, mandated, or we're not saved while you ignore the facts that prove you're wrong.

Jesus did not baptize anyone. Paul stated he did not come to baptize.

Jesus was to die to seal the new covenant, the salvation of humanity. He never baptized anyone.
If baptism was mandated for his good news to secure our salvation, he missed a step according to your doctrine
And Paul said he didn't come to baptize, so the same for him too.

You're adding to Jesus teaching what Jesus never said.
That's why you and others that follow your error will always be wrong.

And when scripture from Christ can't turn you right, repeating this fact in a forum never shall.

Very well said!!

All he does is copy and paste a first post over and over. I addressed his copy and pastes several times, but he apparently doesn't read them or he just dismisses them. Never once did he address my points which refute his.

 

[BeeThePeace]

Very well said!!

All he does is copy and paste a first post over and over. I addressed his copy and pastes several times, but he apparently doesn't read them or he just dismisses them. Never once did he address my points which refute his.

I noticed that as well. I think its called trolling.
Here to draw conflict around the gospel while having no actual knowledge or even respect for it.
I think people like that enjoy seeing how long Christians will work to set their wrong thinking aright.

Unfortunately, they prey on every Christian forum that tolerates their behavior for awhile.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I noticed that as well. I think its called trolling.
Here to draw conflict around the gospel while having no actual knowledge or even respect for it.
I think people like that enjoy seeing how long Christians will work to set their wrong thinking aright.

Unfortunately, they prey on every Christian forum that tolerates their behavior for awhile.

Certainly no interest in truth from him. Just his own opinion, over and over and over, etc.

 

[peldom10]

All your repeated "copy and paste" posts fail to convince. Especially since I've refuted all the verses, and you are continuing to be DISHONEST about 1 Pet 3:21. It doesn't say water baptism saves. It says water baptism SYMBOLIZES the baptism that does save. Meaning, of course, the Holy Spirit.


Paul's own words in 1 Cor 1-
14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name.
16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)

He was making the point that water baptism is NOT required for salvation. If it was, and Paul WAS the greatest evangelist ever, these words make no sense.

Further, Paul's answer to the jailer refutes your notion. Jailer asked what he MUST DO to be saved. Paul ignored baptism in his answer. He said "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved".

Yes, the jailer was baptized later, but Paul's answer certainly clarifies how one is saved. NO mention of water.

Eph 1:13,14 explain how a person becomes united with Christ. It is by believing in Him. Again, NO mention of water.

You are hung up on a few verses that you've taken totally out of context. But instead of bowing your knee to Scripture, you simply double down with your unbibilcal ideas.

Your transference attempt of infusion scripture unrelated...is your easy way out...which doesn't work.

I am not with you...your heart is hardened and only God can alter that.

My last post to you about baptism...because you reject God's words.

 

[Runningman]

I noticed that as well. I think its called trolling.
Here to draw conflict around the gospel while having no actual knowledge or even respect for it.
I think people like that enjoy seeing how long Christians will work to set their wrong thinking aright.

Unfortunately, they prey on every Christian forum that tolerates their behavior for awhile.

Matthew 3:11
11I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

John 3:5
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.