Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection
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The context shows those who listen to Jesus' voice receive eternal life and will never perish. Jesus gave the command initially spoken by Peter in Acts 2:38 as indicated by Acts 1:1-2. Also, Hebrews 5:9 states Jesus is the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.
27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. John 10:27-28
27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. John 10:27-28
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Not that scripture is necessarily nonsense. Rather your argument that incorporates excerpts of scripture to presumably sustain it.
Just as with your post above and those scriptures. Acts 2:38 does not, cannot, mean we are only saved through baptism.
Truth does not contradict itself if Ephesians 2:8-9 is true. We can do nothing to save ourselves.
Jesus forgave sins before his crucifixion. He exampled God's grace bestowing the free irrevocable gift of faith and Salvation.
Those Jesus encountered that believed he was who he said he was sins were forgiven.
"In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit." Romans 8:9
2 Corinthians 1:22
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Ephesians 1:13 is more specific about the exact moment we receive the Holy Spirit: "In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit."
Just as with your post above and those scriptures. Acts 2:38 does not, cannot, mean we are only saved through baptism.
Truth does not contradict itself if Ephesians 2:8-9 is true. We can do nothing to save ourselves.
Jesus forgave sins before his crucifixion. He exampled God's grace bestowing the free irrevocable gift of faith and Salvation.
Those Jesus encountered that believed he was who he said he was sins were forgiven.
"In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit." Romans 8:9
2 Corinthians 1:22
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https://www.compellingtruth.org/receive-Holy-Spirit.html
Ephesians 1:13 is more specific about the exact moment we receive the Holy Spirit: "In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit."
BeeThePeace said:
.......................The term born-again is synonymous with saved, redeemed, ........................
Jesus says otherwise.
John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
These 3 things are permanent.
Those who have believed possess eternal life. And John 10:28 clearly says that recipients of eternal life shall never perish.
Those who have believed will not be judged. iow, no condemnation.
Those who have believed have crossed over from death to life.
This verse is a FACT from Jesus Himself. I am just amazed that professing believers DON'T believe what Jesus said.
So, being SAVED occurs the MOMENT that one believes: they POSSESS eternal life, they WON'T be judged, and they have CROSSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE.
Believe the Bible. You can't go wrong.
.......................The term born-again is synonymous with saved, redeemed, ........................
Jesus says otherwise.
John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
These 3 things are permanent.
Those who have believed possess eternal life. And John 10:28 clearly says that recipients of eternal life shall never perish.
Those who have believed will not be judged. iow, no condemnation.
Those who have believed have crossed over from death to life.
This verse is a FACT from Jesus Himself. I am just amazed that professing believers DON'T believe what Jesus said.
So, being SAVED occurs the MOMENT that one believes: they POSSESS eternal life, they WON'T be judged, and they have CROSSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE.
Believe the Bible. You can't go wrong.
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I just reminded you of what Jesus said in John 5:24, which you obviously don't believe, from all you've posted.
However, regarding Heb 9:27, it makes the point that EVERY person has been appointed ONCE to die. However, we know from Rev 20 that the lake of fire is also called the "second death" because all unbelievers will be resurrected to meet their judgment at the GWT, and then their resurrected physical body will DIE AGAIN; hence the "second death".
You're welcome.
However, regarding Heb 9:27, it makes the point that EVERY person has been appointed ONCE to die. However, we know from Rev 20 that the lake of fire is also called the "second death" because all unbelievers will be resurrected to meet their judgment at the GWT, and then their resurrected physical body will DIE AGAIN; hence the "second death".
You're welcome.
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from post 1,371
And, again, peldom10 gives this post another round red X.
So, it is clear how much this poster DISAGREES with the Bible.
Yet, he can't even put on a reasonable explanation for why he disagrees with the verses I post.
Typical.
I just reminded you of what Jesus said in John 5:24, which you obviously don't believe, from all you've posted.
However, regarding Heb 9:27, it makes the point that EVERY person has been appointed ONCE to die. However, we know from Rev 20 that the lake of fire is also called the "second death" because all unbelievers will be resurrected to meet their judgment at the GWT, and then their resurrected physical body will DIE AGAIN; hence the "second death".
You're welcome.
However, regarding Heb 9:27, it makes the point that EVERY person has been appointed ONCE to die. However, we know from Rev 20 that the lake of fire is also called the "second death" because all unbelievers will be resurrected to meet their judgment at the GWT, and then their resurrected physical body will DIE AGAIN; hence the "second death".
You're welcome.
So, it is clear how much this poster DISAGREES with the Bible.
Yet, he can't even put on a reasonable explanation for why he disagrees with the verses I post.
Typical.
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stop saying you know the Bible. For those of us who actually know the Bible you’re muddying the waters, confusing people, and leading them astray. I know you have no humility or respect for the integrity of the scriptures so you’ll likely respond with hostility because you have zero fruits of the Holy Spirit, but that doesn’t void my responsibility to speak the truth on this matter.
FreeGrace2 said:
from post 1,371
And, again, peldom10 gives this post another round red X.
So, it is clear how much this poster DISAGREES with the Bible.
Yet, he can't even put on a reasonable explanation for why he disagrees with the verses I post.
Typical.
#1 your response here is from my quote above. Not even close to being relevant.
#2 please cite the post # where I said what you are claiming. I don't believe your claim. So prove it, please.
#3 I am very familiar with the NT, but NO ONE "knows the Bible", as in knowing everything.
However, I am VERY CONFIDENT that what I do know comes straight from the Bible. And everything agrees with everything.
You have taken a view based on an obscure verse (1 Cor 15:29) that no commentator even understands, since there is no historical record that describes this strange proxy baptism.
This is full of nonsense. You are the one hiding behind a very obscure verse as the basis of your claim.
This is just another smear. I have proven my view from Scripture that is easy to understand, unlike your view, with a verse that NO ONE understands.
If you can show any hostility to you from any of my posts, then please cite the post # and quote to prove your claim.
And your extremely judgmental charge against a fellow believer is forbidden in the NT. You should know that, since you claim to know the Bible.
Otherwise, lack of evidence will prove once again your claims are empty, and lies.
from post 1,371
And, again, peldom10 gives this post another round red X.
So, it is clear how much this poster DISAGREES with the Bible.
Yet, he can't even put on a reasonable explanation for why he disagrees with the verses I post.
Typical.
#1 your response here is from my quote above. Not even close to being relevant.
#2 please cite the post # where I said what you are claiming. I don't believe your claim. So prove it, please.
#3 I am very familiar with the NT, but NO ONE "knows the Bible", as in knowing everything.
However, I am VERY CONFIDENT that what I do know comes straight from the Bible. And everything agrees with everything.
You have taken a view based on an obscure verse (1 Cor 15:29) that no commentator even understands, since there is no historical record that describes this strange proxy baptism.
This is full of nonsense. You are the one hiding behind a very obscure verse as the basis of your claim.
This is just another smear. I have proven my view from Scripture that is easy to understand, unlike your view, with a verse that NO ONE understands.
If you can show any hostility to you from any of my posts, then please cite the post # and quote to prove your claim.
And your extremely judgmental charge against a fellow believer is forbidden in the NT. You should know that, since you claim to know the Bible.
Otherwise, lack of evidence will prove once again your claims are empty, and lies.
Aren't you the one doing this with this (and other) threads? Here is what you stated in the OP, and it is FALSE DOCTRINE: "Paul meant that water baptism is literally about becoming eligible to have an immortal resurrected body."
This is total nonsense. Just because some people in the church at Corinth were being baptized for the dead (meaning proxy baptism) you have jumped on this band wagon. But the rest of Scripture never teaches that (a) anyone should be baptized for those who have passed on or (b) without water baptism a Christian is not "eligible" for resurrection.
As Matthew Henry says in his commentary "But who shall interpret this very obscure passage, which, though it consists of no more than three words, besides the articles, has had more than three times three senses put on it by interpreters? It is not agreed what is meant by baptism, whether it is to be taken in a proper or figurative sense, and, if in a proper sense, whether it is to be understood of Christian baptism properly so called, or some other ablution. And as little is it agreed who are the dead, or in what sense the preposition hyper is to be taken."
This is total nonsense. Just because some people in the church at Corinth were being baptized for the dead (meaning proxy baptism) you have jumped on this band wagon. But the rest of Scripture never teaches that (a) anyone should be baptized for those who have passed on or (b) without water baptism a Christian is not "eligible" for resurrection.
As Matthew Henry says in his commentary "But who shall interpret this very obscure passage, which, though it consists of no more than three words, besides the articles, has had more than three times three senses put on it by interpreters? It is not agreed what is meant by baptism, whether it is to be taken in a proper or figurative sense, and, if in a proper sense, whether it is to be understood of Christian baptism properly so called, or some other ablution. And as little is it agreed who are the dead, or in what sense the preposition hyper is to be taken."
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Then you’re a liar. My only engagement with you that I’m aware of on this message board was a quick exchange about verses where the Word of God boldly proclaims that Jesus baptized people. You apparently didn’t like that and referred to quoting scripture as snarky. You have no direct quotes by me directed at you where any slander or gossip was hurled at you. Christians like you make me sick.
“Totally agree.
I really don't see the point of engaging with someone who gets narky when I post a verse that clearly states Jesus did not baptise then responds of tangent quoting Mat28: 19-20 to then post later posts the verses I posted stating Jesus did not baptise.”
“Totally agree.
I really don't see the point of engaging with someone who gets narky when I post a verse that clearly states Jesus did not baptise then responds of tangent quoting Mat28: 19-20 to then post later posts the verses I posted stating Jesus did not baptise.”