WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS

NayborBear · Dec 13, 2017

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Seems the "bickeringly pettiness", most people leave "churches of stone" to escape from, has its "ways", of showing its ugly head!
Tis a sad state of affairs! And personally? If my words, or recommendation/s should reach the ears of God? I would recommend that He no longer "hold this closing", waiting on the "Trump train!"

Depleted · Dec 13, 2017

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NayborBear said:

Let me give you what I'm seeing.

A young woman bought the propaganda bestowed on her that she was a prophet, so believes she is a prophet. She has been deluded, and we're trying to tell her that.

Then others, (because this is what BDF is all about), used this opportunity to add on their piles of malarkey to the mix, because everything is about them. And to add onto that pile, they patted the poor young woman on the back as an "attaboy, you're a prophet, so, yo, I can be a prophet too. Then we can fool as many as we want on here, because...? Because, why not, it's all about me anyway."

And ever since that it's become a scrum. A reason for many to give their opinions about any ole thing.

Meanwhile, some of us are still worried about the poor woman who believes she's a prophet, (but isn't), and her depressing view of the Lord based on this deception. And the younger ones who might buy into this malarkey just because they don't know any better.

See what happens when you can pull back enough to not make it all about your interpretations?

shrume · Dec 13, 2017

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Depleted said:

Not good to start your post with an insulting lie, Lynn.

Were Balaam's words inspired by the Lord?

This is not true.

You would be wrong, again.

God is calling all men. He want's all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4). There are many people God is calling who will not come.

Actually, it generally is a Calvinist understanding.

God is calling, or drawing, all men.

Yes, it was a true prophesy. God had Isaiah tell Hezekiah that he was about to die. If Hezekiah had not prayed, or if God had not decided to hear his prayer, Hezekiah would have died. But Hezekiah did pray, and God did hear his prayer, and decided to give him 15 more years of life.

This is false. God did not cause Hezekiah to pray. Hezekiah decided to pray, God heard his prayer, and decided to give Hezekiah 15 more years. The original prophesy, that Hezekiah was about to die, CHANGED.

Here is what Jonah prophesied to Nineveh:

Jonah 3:
4) And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

It did not happen. Nineveh repented, therefore God did NOT do what He told Jonah He WOULD do.

It's not about "getting it wrong". It's about circumstances changing, therefore at times the prophesy changes.

That's very true. That's why God had the prophets say the things they did.

So God is duplicitous. He says something, knowing full well it is not true.

Sometimes He did, and still does.

I have never said that I can do a better job than God.

This might be a generalization, but frequently Calvinists are fierce with their false accusations.

Agreed. Look at what happened when Calvinism reared its ugly head and was not snuffed out. That false belief system has permeated much of the Christian church. As a consequence, many Christians have a false understanding of God.

maxwel · Dec 13, 2017

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Willie-T said:

Actually that is not the singular objective of all prophecy.

Prophecies were given in different ways and with different purposes.
Some prophecies were given without conditionals, and some prophecies were given so God's people would know what to expect, some prophecies were given to educate us, and some prophecies were given to show us God's power and omniscience through foretelling the future.

So although SOME prophecies about judgement might come with conditionals, allowing people to repent and have the result of the prophecy "withheld"... not all prophecies were about judgement, and not all prophecies had these conditionals.

NayborBear · Dec 13, 2017

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Depleted said:

Well?...Yeah? A little bit of knowledge, can get one into hotter water, then one may have anticipated. I know, I also read some posts, where some hastily thrown up comments, didn't read very "kosher" to me, as well.

Done the same thing myself! Point being! Everyone has to start "somewheres." Not knowing if this person, in their "excitement, testimonying, and sharing", truly realized, just how thorough the "vetting process", can be here in the BDF!
As you have seen, LSITD (LightShinesInTheDarkness), it can be, and should be, for that matter, "brutal". Steel sharpening steel! Tis actually, a good thing! Not to mention a learning experience.

And, I'll leave it at that.

Nehemiah6 · Dec 13, 2017

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eternally-gratefull said:

It is really quite simple. God communicates with human beings through His prophets, and what they say is by direct Divine revelation -- not their own ideas or imaginations. Also the apostles were both apostles and prophets, and whatever needed to be communicated has been completed within the canon of Scripture (66 books). Modern prophets are charlatans and as the Lord warned, there will be many false prophets before His second coming.

Purpose #1 -- "forth-telling" what God has to communicate, generally in the form of warnings and calls to repentance.

Purpose #2 -- foretelling future events perfectly long before they come to pass.

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into...

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (1 Pet 1:9-12; 2 Pet 1:19-21).

beastslayer1970 · Dec 13, 2017

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notuptome said:

And in Context Peter was quoting Joel and explaining to both jew and gentile, that this is that.

LightShinesInTheDarkness · Dec 13, 2017

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Nehemiah6 said:

God is the one who will call the holy angels up to heaven for the duration of the tribulation, because it is part of His will for that time. (They would not leave the earth except by His command).

The holy angels contend with the demonic rulers of this world and prevent them from carrying out more evil than it is God's will to allow, as well as protecting the saints---and not because God couldn't or doesn't do those things Himself, but because He chooses to use the angels to do it also. (God doesn't need anything He has made to do anything for Him).

The demons will be allowed by God to do more evil than they have ever been permitted to do before, during the tribulation, after the holy angels are taken up, but God will still be in complete control of what they are allowed to do.

That any holy angel can restrain any demon in any way is because it is God's will for him to do so. A child could restrain the devil if it was God's will for him or her to do it. The power is God's; what He uses does not necessarily have to be powerful, or greater or equal in power than what it is used against.

All the holy angels will return with Jesus on the last day (Matthew 25:31).

Angels will be pouring out God's judgments on the earth from heaven during the tribulation, and three angels will be dispatched from heaven to give messages during this time, but the holy angels will not be on the earth.

As for the thousand years, much could be said about it, but I am wary of explaining in detail it for reasons I have already mentioned in this thread. But I will say this much:

The thousand years during which Satan is bound in the bottomless pit are the same thousand years that the saints are reigning with Christ---in heaven. Those years are almost up.

Satan himself has been bound for nearly 1,000 years, (but his demons have not).
(There are some demons that are bound in hell,(2 Peter 2:4 Jude 6), but that has nothing to do with this subject; most of the demons are not bound in hell.)

You already know what will happen when Satan is released; you can read this for yourself in the Revelation.

That time is nearly here.

The earth on which the saints will reign (Revelation 5:10) is the new earth, not this one, and that reign is not the same as the thousand year reign of the saints in heaven, which is currently taking place.

There will not be 1,000 years after the last day. The last day is the literal LAST day--the end of time, period. So whatever all people may think is going to happen during the 1,000 years, and however it may be confusing them concerning the events of the end times, the important thing to know is that it's almost up, and Satan is about to be released.

And again, the Holy Spirit is NOT the restrainer referred to in 2nd Thessalonians, but Michael the archangel. (See Daniel 12:1).

The Holy Spirit is not going to be taken out of the way, nor will those in whom He dwells be taken out of the earth before the tribulation.

So how will the people of God be "delivered" from the tribulation, as it says they will be in Daniel 12:1?

Everyone who keeps his or her life in Christ during that time will be delivered from it, either by martyrdom (most), or by being raptured on the last day when Christ returns. But they will not be delivered by being raptured out of the world before or during the tribulation. Being delivered does not necessarily mean keeping one's physical life.

The righteous man is taken away from calamity and enters into peace. (Isaiah 57:1) paraphrased

"Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on." "Blessed indeed," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors..." (Revelation 14:13)

It's sad that telling Christians that they should be preparing for martyrdom in the near future instills DREAD in them. Fear has to do with punishment. If they loved Jesus and were living for Him as they should be, they would be looking forward to getting out of this evil world and this burdensome body with its sinful nature, and to being at home with the Lord.

But no: "We don't want to die!" "You're mean!" "You're stressing me!"

Is this the way people who love the Lord should react to the prospect of laying their life down for Him? With mourning and anger? Why aren't you rejoicing? Yes; why aren't you rejoicing?

Something is very wrong with this. Hopefully that is evident to all, and causes those who react this way to consider their own reaction and to fix the problem at heart.

There's a difference between dreadful fear and apprehension about having never experienced death before.

If you are apprehensive, and you have a good conscience toward God, ask Him to comfort you and read His word for comfort. He will comfort you.

If you are dreadfully fearful and angry, and you do not have a good conscience toward God, your dread and anger bear witness to a spiritual problem you need to fix.

beastslayer1970 · Dec 13, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

I was going to ignore this post, because I really want to be good, but you really left me no choice. A False Prophet can do more damage than blender with dull blades.

It has been my experience that those who say they are a gift to the body like a prophet are usually not at all what they self label themselves to be. Since you self label, you are no Prophet.

Warning us of what we can already read in the Bible does not make you a Prophet. We do not need modern day future telling Prophets, we have the word of God to show us these Things.

As a Prophet, have you ever operated in any of the the vocal, revelation or power gifts of 1 Cor 12?
How about The grace gift of teaching , encouraging or prophesying in Romans 12?

As a Prophet, do you understand the difference between an in season word of knowledge and step ordering word of knowledge and have you been led to give either one to anyone?

As a Prophet you are to speak words that edify, exhort and comfort, and quite frankly not anything you posted passes that litmus test.

As a Prophet you are to prophesy according to your faith, all you have done is yell about knowledge we already known and that is not prophesying according to your faith.

As a Prophet we need to know about your confirmations. Which is virtually impossible on a chat board, so we will just leave you to being a legend in your mind.

I would urge you before hulk a mania reigns down on you to check yourself and quickly.

LightShinesInTheDarkness · Dec 13, 2017

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beastslayer1970 said:

If you think that the gift of prophecy is only to speak pleasant things or to encourage people, you misunderstand the gift.

Prophets speak what God wants them to speak according to His will and the needs of those to whom He directs them---not according to the desires of the people.

It is not always a word for word message, as in "Thus says the Lord, ____".

If you hear the voice of the Lord (and it actually is Him), and/or receive visions or dreams from Him, you have the prophetic gift. (The LORD said to Noah; The LORD said to Abraham; the LORD said to Samuel, etc). He does not speak in an audible voice, but when He speaks it is as clear as though someone is speaking into your ear, with or without words.

Not all prophets have dreams, not all see visions, and the mode of delivery of the messages depends on God; but the knowledge of the revelation is conveyed, however it is shared. And the messages of true prophets should agree with each other.

One need not say, "Thus says the LORD" when one is sharing insights or warnings He has revealed to one through prophetic revelation or insight when that insight is obviously from the Holy Spirit, because it agrees with what the Scriptures say; and indeed one dare not say, "Thus says the Lord", unless He has given one something to declare in specific words from Him.

True prophets are generally DISLIKED, for the very reason that when God sends them to His people it is usually because His people are not listening to Him. (And they are not listening to Him because they don't want to do what He wants them to do; and they don't appreciate being reminded of this.)

Bad things must be broken down before good things can be built up. What is crooked must be broken before it can be set straight.

Prophets sound the trumpet to prepare the people for battle and to warn them of the consequences of their sins. That is a potentially GOOD thing; but even if the warning is ignored, it is still God's will for the prophet to give it.

(I suppose you would prefer that I say, "Peace, peace"?)

I encourage and rebuke, as well as give insight; and all have their purpose and place. The saints who are doing well and know it need not be offended by the rebuke; it won't hurt them. But those it does hurt have pain because the word has struck something that needs to be healed.

The need of most Christians at this hour is rebuke, not encouragement. People who are rebelling against God do not need to be encouraged; they need to repent.

As far as exhortation goes, I do exhort; but most Christians do not want to be exhorted to obey God; they want to be told that whatever it is they want to do is okay, and that God doesn't mind, and that He is going to bless them (even if none of that is true). They can get that from their hired pastors, but they're not going to get it from a faithful prophet---or from any brother or sister who loves the Lord and loves them.

I doubt that you or any of the others on this thread who have been offended by my posts would be any more receptive to the truths and warnings in them if I had not mentioned that I have the prophetic gift. Contrary to accusation, I do not think I'm special for having the gift. I am a Christian first and foremost, who happens to have the prophetic gift, because God chose to give it to me. That was His decision; I didn't ask for it. And having it doesn't make me a better Christian. I make my choices every day just like every Christian must, with God's eyes on my heart. The gifts are temporary; Christ-likeness is what matters; and when the gifts are gone, that will remain and be revealed.

So enough grumbling about the gift. Pay attention:

Repent of any known sins you have and get right with your God before the time of testing begins (which you will not be raptured away from), that you may be victorious and save your life (your eternal life). Stop justifying and hiding your sins and obey the Lord in all you know He wants you to do and commands you to do in the New Testament.

If this exhortation and warning offends you, it is meant for you.

(And to those of you who have a good conscience toward the Lord in this hour, persevere, and don't let anyone (especially other Christians) discourage you from doing what you know He wants you to do. YOU follow Him. Hold fast to His word. Ask Him to strengthen you for the time ahead, and to give you whatever understanding you need of Him; keep a loose hand on everything you have and prepare to lose it all for Christ, and look forward to going home to be with the Lord (if that should be God's will for you).)

Adstar · Dec 13, 2017

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shrume said:

2 Samuel 7: KJV
11 "And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house."

Where in the above verse does it say that God will grant David peace in his kingdom forever? I cannot see it...

2 Samuel 7: KJV
12 "¶ And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom."

Where does it say in the above verse that God would establish Solomons kingdom forever ? All It says it that Solomon's kingdom would be established and it was solomon a decendant of Davids became king.. Prophecy fulfilled to the letter no false prophecy here..

Adstar · Dec 13, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

That teaching is opposed to the Gospel teaching on the matter ::

Hebrews 10: KJV
26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, {27} But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

So Hebrews state clearly that once a person wilfully sins their sins are no longer covered by the atoning sacrafice of the LORD Jesus Christ.. But from then on they face Certain Judgement of Fire in the eternal lake of fire.. Most of your teachings in the rest of your post where built upon your belief that willful sin and normal sin are equal and both covered by the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ..For a modern example of wilfull sin i will use the example of the current situation in western cultures concerning homosexuality..

The gay pride movement is not a group of homosexuals who see their sex acts as sin and are repentant of them.. They are a group of homoseuals and supporters who are demanding that their sex acts be accepted as good and to have any declaration desribing their acts as an abomination to God declared hate speech and made illegal.. This is a prime example of modern day wilfull sin not because they are commiting homosexual sex acts which are sin but because they have totally rejected Gods declarations that their acts are sin..

There is a huge difference to God between two people who commit the same sin, with one who is contrite and aknowledges their sin as being sin and the other who takes pride in their sin and is offended when anyone declares it to be sin.. for the contrite one His door of salvation is open.. For the willful one the door is closed..

The indictment and outrage that the Lord has against most of His saints today is that they DO know that what they are doing (or are not doing as they should be) is wrong

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If they know it is wrong then they are not wilful sinners because willful sinners angrily reject the notion that what they are doing is wrong.. They are greatly offended when someone says that the sin they love is wrong..

But this is when they have moved from being sinners who know what they are doing is wrong to sinners who want to be justified in their sin.. they have crossed over from being sinning Christians who believe their sin is sin to wilful sinners who seek preachers to tell them that their sin is not sin.. Once they do that then they no longer believe what they are doing is wrong...

The Bible refers to the time preceding the revealing of the antichrist as the REBELLION (both in Daniel and in 2 Thessalonians)---of Christians (not unsaved people)---

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No,, In 2 Thessalonians 2 the passage clearly states that these people who will be given over to deception and delusion have already rejected the Love of the truth which would have them saved... They are not true Christians who will be given over they are people who have already rejected or never accepted the Gospel message that saves.... Critical verse::

2 Thessalonians 2: KJV
10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."

The most horrible thing about this is that they have the grace of God available to them to obey Him, all day long, day after day, and they are squandering it, and forcing Jesus Christ---who died to give them that grace, and to whom they belong---to endure their sins, as His name is blasphemed by the unsaved because of the evil, irreverent and foolish behavior of apostate Christians. Do you have any idea how angry and sad that makes our Lord? (They don't. And they don't even care. WRETCHED.)

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But apostate people who go to church and call themselves Christians are not in actual fact true Christians
LightShinesInTheDarkness they are not Christians at all, they have rejected Jesus and are following "another jesus" ...

People who believe the teachings of Jesus and trust in the atonement he secured for their transgressions against Gods will are in actual fact Christians.... You keep on seeing and declaring non-Christians who simply claim to be Christians as being real Christians.. They are not..

Depleted · Dec 13, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

If you think that the gift of prophecy is only to speak pleasant things or to encourage people, you misunderstand the gift.

Prophets speak what God wants them to speak according to His will and the needs of those to whom He directs them---not according to the desires of the people.

It is not always a word for word message, as in "Thus says the Lord, ____".

If you hear the voice of the Lord (and it actually is Him), and/or receive visions or dreams from Him, you have the prophetic gift. (The LORD said to Noah; The LORD said to Abraham; the LORD said to Samuel, etc). He does not speak in an audible voice, but when He speaks it is as clear as though someone is speaking into your ear, with or without words.

Not all prophets have dreams, not all see visions, and the mode of delivery of the messages depends on God; but the knowledge of the revelation is conveyed, however it is shared. And the messages of true prophets should agree with each other.

One need not say, "Thus says the LORD" when one is sharing insights or warnings He has revealed to one through prophetic revelation or insight when that insight is obviously from the Holy Spirit, because it agrees with what the Scriptures say; and indeed one dare not say, "Thus says the Lord", unless He has given one something to declare in specific words from Him.

True prophets are generally DISLIKED, for the very reason that when God sends them to His people it is usually because His people are not listening to Him. (And they are not listening to Him because they don't want to do what He wants them to do; and they don't appreciate being reminded of this.)

Bad things must be broken down before good things can be built up. What is crooked must be broken before it can be set straight.

Prophets sound the trumpet to prepare the people for battle and to warn them of the consequences of their sins. That is a potentially GOOD thing; but even if the warning is ignored, it is still God's will for the prophet to give it.

(I suppose you would prefer that I say, "Peace, peace"?)

I encourage and rebuke, as well as give insight; and all have their purpose and place. The saints who are doing well and know it need not be offended by the rebuke; it won't hurt them. But those it does hurt have pain because the word has struck something that needs to be healed.

The need of most Christians at this hour is rebuke, not encouragement. People who are rebelling against God do not need to be encouraged; they need to repent.

As far as exhortation goes, I do exhort; but most Christians do not want to be exhorted to obey God; they want to be told that whatever it is they want to do is okay, and that God doesn't mind, and that He is going to bless them (even if none of that is true). They can get that from their hired pastors, but they're not going to get it from a faithful prophet---or from any brother or sister who loves the Lord and loves them.

I doubt that you or any of the others on this thread who have been offended by my posts would be any more receptive to the truths and warnings in them if I had not mentioned that I have the prophetic gift. Contrary to accusation, I do not think I'm special for having the gift. I am a Christian first and foremost, who happens to have the prophetic gift, because God chose to give it to me. That was His decision; I didn't ask for it. And having it doesn't make me a better Christian. I make my choices every day just like every Christian must, with God's eyes on my heart. The gifts are temporary; Christ-likeness is what matters; and when the gifts are gone, that will remain and be revealed.

So enough grumbling about the gift. Pay attention:

Repent of any known sins you have and get right with your God before the time of testing begins (which you will not be raptured away from), that you may be victorious and save your life (your eternal life). Stop justifying and hiding your sins and obey the Lord in all you know He wants you to do and commands you to do in the New Testament.

If this exhortation and warning offends you, it is meant for you.

(And to those of you who have a good conscience toward the Lord in this hour, persevere, and don't let anyone (especially other Christians) discourage you from doing what you know He wants you to do. YOU follow Him. Hold fast to His word. Ask Him to strengthen you for the time ahead, and to give you whatever understanding you need of Him; keep a loose hand on everything you have and prepare to lose it all for Christ, and look forward to going home to be with the Lord (if that should be God's will for you).)

So your intent is to offend God himself? Because that is how offensive your lack-of-knowledge, lack-of-wisdom, lack-of-biblical-study-whatsoever offends us. We are offended because you offend God with that much garbage.

One of two things is happening with you. Either you're a two-year-old playing with knives, or you are an instrument of the wolf, who skipped the sheep's clothing and entered the pasture heaping pile after pile of twisted truths on foolish people and babes in Christ trying to pull Christians away from the Lord. If the former, you will get hurt, but you are the only one getting hurt. If you hurt God's kids with your delusional malarkey, there is a special place in hell for you.

Stop telling the lies, because they are some really stupid lies.

LightShinesInTheDarkness · Dec 14, 2017

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Adstar said:

I do not feel it is appropriate for me to debate doctrine in this matter; but there is a difference between a Christian who is rebelling against God (knowing His will and/or commands and refusing to do it) and an unsaved person who claims to be a Christian and simply continues in his or her sin because he or she isn't born again.

While we can recognize a tree by its fruits, and most of the people in this world who claim to be Christians are not actually born again (this can be determined by talking to them and asking them about when and how they got saved), we cannot know, except that God reveals it to us for some reason, whether a rebellious Christian has forfeited his or her salvation by persisting in rebellion or not, because we cannot know for certain whether the Holy Spirit is still in him or her---even if they are walking contrary to Him.

We may strongly suspect that someone may no longer be a Christian, because of what he or she says and does, but it would be presumptuous to tell them or other people that they are not unless we know this for certain and God would have us to for some reason. Telling people who may still be saved and still have a chance to repent of their sin and avoid the fate of Hebrews 10 that they are not saved at all, or that they were never really saved in the first place, is not a good thing to do, as it is presumptuous and only causes confusion.

God's condemnation for rebellious Christians is for those who persist in it and choose not to repent. A Christian can willfully sin and repent of it and be forgiven (if his or her sin is not a sin that cannot be forgiven). It is persistence in willful sin that potentially leads to forfeiture of salvation, if he or she refuses to respond to God's warnings and correction and refuses to obey Him. God knows how much sin is enough. (Only a fool would test Him to find out.)

Confusing the matter of whether a person is a Christian in apostasy or an unsaved person who never knew the Lord at all, or an ex-Christian, is that they are mingled together in the churches. Depending on their degree of apostasy, an apostate Christian may get along well with unsaved people because they think similarly and share common interests. And ex-Christians can still speak like Christians and behave, in some ways, like Christians, even though Christ is no longer in them.

2 Peter and Jude talk about people who were washed from their sins and returned to them, and about uprooted, twice-dead people---wandering stars---ex-Christians who are mingled among Christians and leading them astray from the Lord.

God will sort out who is who.

My rebukes are not directed to professing Christians who have never been born again, or to ex-Christians who cannot be restored, but to Christians who need to repent.

Silverwings · Dec 14, 2017

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beastslayer1970 · Dec 14, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

Let's check you against the word of God, shall we?

1 cor 14:3-
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation

It would seem you do not respect or honor the gift, because you do not understand the word of God. You have not exhorted anyone and your statement contrary tot he word of God alone proves you to be no Prophet.

You have not spoken anything according to God's will. You have just recited Bible verses.

Now you are just backpedaling and need to stop. You have not given anyone on your little thread "a word"

Hearing the still, small voice of the Holy Spirit is available to all believers and does not mean for a second you have a prophetic gift, it means you know the voice of the shepherd and the voice of the stranger you will not follow. Receiving visions and dreams is also available to anyone and does not mean you are a Prophet of prophetic, it means you have grown in spiritual maturity and have intimacy with the Holy Spirit and he will show you all things.

Are you saying you hear him in your human ear or in your spirit? I have heard God audibly 3x in my walk and others have stated the same thing. God spoke audibly to Moses in the burning Bush and audibly to Noah and Abraham and Audibly 4x times to Samuel as a boy [1 Samuel 3]

Your ignorance of the Word is showing dear.

Your absolute statement that God does not speak audibly is taken from 1 Kings 19:12 and is what Prophet schools teach, but again we find you ignorant of God' word. Speaking in a soft whisper here does not mean God was speaking to Elijah in his Spirit. ELijah and other like him were given the Holy Spirit upon them, not within them, because the Gift of the Holy Spirit within was only promised under the new Covenant.

MY goodness in all your zeal and personal pride to be a big shot prophet, you just contradicted yourself here.

You said here:

which is it?

No one needs to use the KJV BIble English when prophesying dear, it makes it shallow and false. You have not received any real warnings or insights dear, all you have done is share with us very well known Bible verses. You are prophesying nothing.
Saying Thus saith or Thus says the Lord is just pride. stop saying it, it makes you no prophet just a crack pot.

True Prophets that are recognized as such, because of their fruit, honor, lack of arrogance, pride and aggrandizing, ability to preach and teach the word of God, teach people how to hear from God and obey his voice for themselves and operate humbly in their gift and operate in power, vocal and revelation gifts and most importantly and let it sink in here, because you have really no clue about it, confirm what the Holy Spirit has said to the person they are ministering to are then received in a prophets name and those that received them get the Prophets reward, which is the gift he or she is to that body of believers that received them.

The true prophet you describe is disliked, because, news flash, they are not true prophets, because they bully rightful leaders in churches they attend, think they have the mandate to disrupt what God is doing in a local church, have no honor to the local shepherd, because they are told they are above the local pastor and can violate the mandate of 1 COr 14:3 and also speak death, destruction, judgment and the like.

True prophets make deposits into the body of Christ not withdraws.

You sound like you took the Kris Vallotton or Jennifer LeClaire profit course and now feel like you are God mouthpiece. Get a refund.

OH Goodness and how do you discern what is bad, crooked or broken? This cavalier attitude is why you are mocked and rightly so. NO true Prophet is above the local Pastor.

So you are the Holy Spirit is that it? Please show us all where you are mandated to call out another persons sins and set them straight? You are not the Holy Spirit and if anyone is warned of a particular sin, it is usually the the gift of the word of Knowledge and in private.

The Prophet mandate is also the same mandate found for the 4 other gifts in EPh 4:11-13

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, [SUP]12 [/SUP]for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; [SUP]13 [/SUP]until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

Prophets point a direction and help correct, not destroy. They are under the authority of God and the Local church Pastor.

I suppose I would prefer you to softly say Lord, Lord I am deceived, help me see it.

Again, The Bible instructs elders, Pastors to rebuke their flock, unless given this spiritual authority you cannot exercise it over just anyone. Why would a saint that is doing well need a Prophetic rebuke? I mean really are you seeing how you just contradict yourself here? 90% of the time people get hurt by a Prophetic rebuke because they are delivered by a false charlatan profit like you that has no such mandate, gift or grace to do it and are deceived and working in the flesh.

No, the need of most sons and daughters at this hour is to be taught how to listen, hear and obey the voice of God for themselves, so we can get rid of the False Prophetic leaven and cancer in the Body.

No true prophet condemns the local pastor as you do, period. You are giving yourself away girl, you act, tlak defend and speak like a NAR prophet.

Then why did you have to announce you were a Prophet?

See, True Prophets are easily recognized for the fact they do not ever have to announce, validate, approve or defend themselves.

Thanks for telling us what the Bible already exhorts us to do.

Final analysis and based solely on the many contradictions and the fact you disregard the true prophetic mandates found in 1 Cor 14:3 and Eph 4:11-13: You are a false prophet, you need to repent, get right and stop playing games with people.

Proverbs 25:14 warns us of people like you:

Like clouds and wind without rain
Is a man who boasts of his gifts falsely.

7777pinacled · Dec 14, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

[FONT=&quot]Look, your house is left to you desolate.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord[/FONT]
Look to the heavens, and learn what it means to be a wandering star.

there is only one mother that has left her children destitute. And she sold her children into slavery.

Again all you have spoken, is from wicked counsel, and it is you who has ignored Kindness in the day of our Lord. If you do not know what it means to exceed the righteousness of three men you are no prophet sent by the Redeemer.
Nor do you come in the Name of Righteousness.
Just as it was with yov(job), the wicked counsel will not even give comfort to their friends.

And my Lord taught that there is no greater love than to...............

I know of 4 carpenters to build a house of prayer.
[h=1]Psalm 118King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]118 O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: because his mercy endureth for ever.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Let Israel now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Let the house of Aaron now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 Let them now that fear the Lord say, that his mercy endureth for ever.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 I called upon the Lord in distress: the Lord answered me, and set me in a large place.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 The Lord is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 The Lord taketh my part with them that help me: therefore shall I see my desire upon them that hate me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 All nations compassed me about: but in the name of the Lord will I destroy them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 They compassed me about; yea, they compassed me about: but in the name of the Lord I will destroy them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 They compassed me about like bees: they are quenched as the fire of thorns: for in the name of the Lord I will destroy them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 Thou hast thrust sore at me that I might fall: but the Lord helped me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 The Lord is my strength and song, and is become my salvation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 The voice of rejoicing and salvation is in the tabernacles of the righteous: the right hand of the Lord doeth valiantly.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 The right hand of the Lord is exalted: the right hand of the Lord doeth valiantly.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the Lord.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 The Lord hath chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, and I will praise the Lord:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 This gate of the Lord, into which the righteous shall enter.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 This is the Lord's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 Save now, I beseech thee, O Lord: O Lord, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]26 Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the Lord: we have blessed you out of the house of the Lord.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]27 God is the Lord, which hath shewed us light: bind the sacrifice with cords, even unto the horns of the altar.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]28 Thou art my God, and I will praise thee: thou art my God, I will exalt thee.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]29 O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.[/FONT]

PennEd · Dec 14, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

Tried to follow you and give the benefit of the doubt, but you are really preaching a false, deceptive gospel.

You are saying that those whom the Lord SAVED, whom He sealed with the Holy Spirit, WHO SAYS HE WILL NEVER LEAVE NOR FORSAKE, will lose their Salvation that JESUS gave them, if they sin. Many things that are bad can happen to them, but NOT loss of Salvation. To say that their Salvation is dependent on THEIR behavior after being born again is a demonic heresy.

If a spirit is telling you that, you better test that spirit.
He cannot deny Himself, He cannot "never have known you" and then know you at one point and then leave and forsake you.

You are missing love and Grace and the beautiful hope we have in Jesus Christ.

If you do not have this vital element in you, you should question this whole "prophetess" stuff, and where it's coming from.

Having said that, I generally agree with your message that Christians need turn completely from a fleshly walk, and seek to walk in the Spirit.

7seasrekeyed · Dec 14, 2017

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the more folks are telling lightshine she is not what she says she is, the more she is convinced something has led her to her latest mission field

these things need to die an early death

I thought most of us already agreed this was a false message?

there is no way you can call yourself a prophet and then say you cannot teach doctrine

how can you determine what God is saying if you will not touch doctrine?

how can you receive teaching of doctrine if you say you cannot teach it and then prophesy about what you say is not your department ?

honestly it's time to stop IMO

I'm not addressing the op here so there will be no need to reply should the op decide we need more teaching that she is not allowed to actually give anyway according to her

LightShinesInTheDarkness · Dec 14, 2017

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beastslayer1970 said:

Let's check you against the word of God, shall we?

1 cor 14:3-
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation

It would seem you do not respect or honor the gift, because you do not understand the word of God. You have not exhorted anyone and your statement contrary tot he word of God alone proves you to be no Prophet.

You can revisit what I said about this in my original post. Yes, exhortation is part of the prophetic gift, and I do exhort people, as I have already said. What I say or have said on this thread is not all I have ever said or will say to anyone at anytime, anywhere. (I don't think you can judge what I have done or will do in my entire ministry by my posts on a thread in an online forum.)

You have not spoken anything according to God's will.

How do you know this? Be careful about judging other people's faith.

You have just recited Bible verses.

No, I have not merely recited Bible verses. You can re-read my posts and see that that is not true. The Bible references or verses I included were for the support of the insight into the prophetic scriptures I provided--as Scriptural references were requested by others---and so that others who are not familiar with those scriptures or who would like to examine the Scriptures for themselves to see whether what I shared was correct or not could do so.

Now you are just backpedaling and need to stop. You have not given anyone on your little thread "a word"

Hearing the still, small voice of the Holy Spirit is available to all believers (True.) and does not mean for a second you have a prophetic gift (True.), it means you know the voice of the shepherd and the voice of the stranger you will not follow. (If you know the voice of the Shepherd, you can recognize what is of Him by whatever means it comes, whether it's through writing or hearing, or through the promptings or 'voice' of His Spirit in your heart; provided you are not deceived. I wouldn't know exactly how the Holy Spirit speaks to Christians who do not have the prophetic gift, since I have had it since the time I was saved, and thought that all Christians were like me, until I found out it was otherwise.

Likewise, I would imagine that Christians who don't have the prophetic gift don't know exactly how He speaks to or works in those who have it. You'd have to have it to empathize and understand.) Receiving visions and dreams is also available to anyone (Probably dreams moreso than visions. I don't know of any example from the Scriptures of someone who did not have the prophetic gift receiving a vision of something that was going to happen, and I've never met a Christian who had a vision about something that was going to come to pass, except for a brother with the prophetic gift. I suppose He could do it, but generally, at least in the case of prophetic visions, God gives them to prophets. There are plenty of people who do not have the prophetic gift who have lying dreams and visions also---dreams of a pre-tribulation rapture for example.) and does not mean you are a Prophet of prophetic, it means you have grown in spiritual maturity (Receiving visions and dreams is not a result of spiritual maturity. Neither are spiritual gifts. One can have a spiritual gift and be spiritually immature, and having a spiritual gift does not make one spiritually mature; the one has nothing to do with the other. God can give a Christian of any maturity level a dream or a vision if He desires to show them something He wants them to know.) and have intimacy with the Holy Spirit and he will show you all things. (God is able to show anyone anything He wants them to know by any means. He doesn't need people with the prophetic gift to speak to His people, but He chooses to use them sometimes, because He wants to.)

Are you saying you hear him in your human ear or in your spirit? I have heard God audibly 3x in my walk and others have stated the same thing. God spoke audibly to Moses in the burning Bush and audibly to Noah and Abraham and Audibly 4x times to Samuel as a boy [1 Samuel 3]

Your ignorance of the Word is showing dear. (Patronizing is not of the Holy Spirit.)

Your absolute statement that God does not speak audibly is taken from 1 Kings 19:1 (I accidentally erased the last number of that scripture reference; but no, my statement was not taken from 1 Kings or anywhere else in the Bible. My statement was based on my experience in how the Lord has spoken/speaks to me, and I should have said so.) and is what Prophet schools teach (You can't become a prophet by going to a school. Either God gives you that gift or He doesn't.), but again we find you ignorant of God' word. Speaking in a soft whisper here does not mean God was speaking to Elijah in his Spirit. ELijah and other like him were given the Holy Spirit upon them, not within them, because the Gift of the Holy Spirit within was only promised under the new Covenant. (That statement/belief about the old testament saints not having the Holy Spirit in them is not correct. But I can't clarify it, as it would be trespassing into teaching doctrine, which I am not permitted to do.)

You are correct; what I should have said is that He has not spoken in an externally audible voice to ME. But when you say "audible", do you mean audible so that everyone can hear it, or only the person the Lord is speaking to? When the Lord speaks to me it is audible, but it is not like hearing a whisper or a voice of someone in the room. It can be as clear as someone speaking words into my ear, but it's not like there's an invisible person in the room speaking. Other times He speaks in my heart, with or without words, but the message/knowledge is still clear; spirit to Spirit communication that can be just like a conversation with another person.

Samuel heard the LORD calling him, but could anyone else who might have been around? As far as I know, the Bible does not tell us whether when God spoke to any of the men you or I mentioned that it was in an externally audible voice that anyone but the person He was speaking to could hear, including Moses at the burning bush.

MY goodness in all your zeal and personal pride to be a big shot prophet (1 Corinthians 4:3-5) , you just contradicted yourself here.You said here:

which is it?

(Not sure what was there in my original post, but I think I answered that already. That the Lord speaks to me in different ways, sometimes with words or knowledge in my heart, other times with clear words in my mind that are LIKE someone speaking into my ear but not like an outwardly audible voice, as though there is an invisible person in the room speaking.

Demons can also speak to people's minds and imitate the voice of the Lord; so both prophets and non-prophets should be cautious about what they hear. A word of advice, which I also apply, to myself and others.)

No one needs to use the KJV BIble English when prophesying dear, Again with the patronizing. That is not of the Holy Spirit.

I was using "Thus says the LORD" figuratively, referring to someone delivering a message of exact words from the Lord, as He gave them to say it. I was not saying that any person with the prophetic gift would say that today---and the Old Testament prophets didn't speak in old English either (that was how the KJV translators translated it, obviously). A prophet delivering a word might say, "The Lord says". it makes it shallow and false.

You have not received any real warnings or insights dear (Evidently not in your opinion; but you do not speak for everyone.), all you have done is share with us very well known Bible verses. (I already addressed this. You seem to be on a tirade against me. Why?) You are prophesying nothing. (I have shared what the Lord has given me insight into, with the urgency of the prophetic knowledge that those things are about to take place.

The fact that the scriptures I have referenced are well known to some or many does not mean that they are correctly understood by most. The Lord wants His people to know what they mean because that time is about to be upon us.

Did you know all of what I shared/explained before I shared/explained it?

You may not agree with or believe any of it, but the fact that you may have known the scriptures I referred to does not mean that you knew what they actually meant, or what they mean for this time.

And would you have received any message or knowledge about the events of the last days that was NOT supported by the Scriptures? I don't think so.

The prophetic scriptures is the "prophetic word" we are exhorted to pay attention to in the last days. I have explained them with prophetic insight that the Lord gave me for the benefit of others---insight that others do not have, whether or not they recognize that what I have shared is actually true. That's not boasting, just stating a fact.)

Saying Thus saith or Thus says the Lord is just pride. stop saying it, (I have never said either one.) it makes youno prophet just a crack pot.True Prophets that are recognized as such, because of their fruit (How do you know my fruit?), honor (How do you know my honor?), lack of arrogance (How do you know I am arrogant?), pride (") and aggrandizing (That is a judgment)<---I am assuming you are implying that all of these things are not true of me, ability to preach and teach the word of God (not women with the prophetic gift), teach people how to hear from God and obey his voice for themselves (How do you know what I have or have not done, do or do not do, in the ministering of my gift, either over the years or off of the internet?) and operate humbly in their gift and operate in power, vocal and revelation gifts (You realize that your experience and impression is not everyone's, right? What may seem like worthless foolishness to you may be ministering to someone else.) and most importantly and let it sink in here, because you have really no clue about it, confirm what the Holy Spirit has said to the person they are ministering to (What some people think is coming from the Holy Spirit is not really coming from Him. There are deceiving spirits, and Christians can be deceived---for different reasons, not always because of deceiving spirits---about what they THINK the Lord has said to them or wants them to do, in which case, a prophet's words to him or her would not agree with what the person thinks the Lord has said to them or wants them to do, or with what He knows they need.

Also, receiving the words of a prophet requires God to show the person whom the prophet is speaking to that the knowledge or message comes from His Spirit, which He may not do, for various reasons, including pride of heart and being in known sin of some kind. And yes, people with the prophetic gift can also be deceived. That's why we should test what we hear.) are then received in a prophets name and those that received them get the Prophets reward, which is the gift he or she is to that body of believers that received them.(So if some believers receive the prophet as such and others do not, either the believers who receive him or her are deceived, or the ones who do not are.

There are Christians listening to false or deceived prophets who they believe are correct, telling them visions about the imminent rapture and the Lord coming back any day. The fact that one is received as a prophet does not legitimize the prophet.

Nor does a false or deceived prophet confirming a person's deception about what he or she thinks the Lord has shown or told him or her make what the prophet says correct. They may both be deceived, or the prophet may simply be lying to the person and making things up to tell the person what he or she wants to hear, for the prophet's own ends.)

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