Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS
I have never boasted of my gift; God, and those to whom He confirms it will know whether or not it is false.
I have no desire to have another exchange with you, or with anyone else who thinks like you, about it. It's a waste of time, and not what the Lord would have me to do.
Whether or not people receive me as a prophetess or not is between them and God; you have made far more of my gift than I ever would; and quite honestly, your preoccupation with it is sickening to me.
I really couldn't care less whether people receive me as a prophetess as long as they receive the message. And if they don't listen to me, hopefully they'll get the same message from someone else, and will listen to them.
I won't be responding to any further posts from you. Based on the content and tone of your messages to me I strongly and lovingly recommend that you examine the attitude of your spirit and check it against the Spirit of Christ. Remember that God knows the motives and attitudes of our hearts and judges them, not only our actions and our words.
(As for anyone else who may be reading this post, I encourage you to test the things I have shared on this thread for yourselves---with clean hands, a sincere heart, and a good conscience toward God---with prayer for God to show you whether they are true, and by examining His word. May the Lord bless you.)
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The true prophet you describe is disliked, because, news flash, they are not true prophets (That is your belief/judgment), because they bully(?) rightful leaders in churches they attend (I don't attend a church, and you have no idea whether the leaders of any church are "rightful" or not. The fact that they are filling a position does not mean that God placed them in it.), think they have the mandate to disrupt what God is doing in a local church (God is about to seriously "disrupt" the so-called 'churches'. That's not a threat, it's a guarantee.), have no honor to the local shepherd, because they are told (By whom?) they are above the local pastor and can violate the mandate of 1 COr 14:(I accidentally over-typed the last part of that scripture reference.) and also speak death, destruction, judgment and the like. (Prophets can and should speak whatever God gives them the faith to speak to whomever they speak, whether it is a warning or a word of encouragement or a rebuke.)
God would not send a prophetess to rebuke a pastor (even a pastor-in-name-only); nor have I ever done so, in a church or elsewhere, although I do speak against what they are doing, as God allows and is pleased for me to do. He would send a male prophet to do this, but not a woman.
There is a difference between prophets in the Church and prophetesses. Building up the Church is a service of prophets, not prophetesses. The spiritual gifts mentioned in 1 Corinthians, and their administration, is speaking about men---the Church, of whom Christ is the Head. Women are not a part of the Church. We are not even supposed to speak in the congregations, let alone prophesy. That doesn't mean we aren't equally saved or equally loved by God, but that we aren't members of the Body of Christ, which is just the brothers. So the things that are written to the brothers do not always apply to the sisters also.
"When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men." Ephesians 4:8 (These are the gifts given to Christian men---the Body of Christ---for the building up of the same: Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers. God doesn't call or equip women to do any of those things. The prophetic gift in women is not for the building up of the church. It serves other purposes, but that's not one of them.)
And since we're on the subject of 1 Corinthians 14, did you overlook verse 34 and 35? How many "pastors" do you know who teach or insist on this?
Since you believe that you are competent to judge who is a prophet and who isn't and know everything about the gift and how it should work, why did you think that a prophetess would prophesy in the church, or that prophetesses build up the Church?
If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing you are a command of the Lord. If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized. (1 Corinthians 14:37,38)
So, you recognize as a God-appointed pastor a man who allows women to speak and sing in the church (maybe even encourages them to do so), and you think that women are included in the instructions for the use of spiritual gifts in the Church, but you are confident that you can discern who is and is not a prophet?
That is why I said that Christians may not receive someone who DOES have the gift of prophecy, because they are embracing beliefs about how God works, what He commands, what He expects and what He allows that are based on erroneous teachings and ideas from wherever and whomever, and on the misunderstanding or ignorance of His Word---so that what they think God is saying to them or wants them to do, or believe He is pleased with, He is not saying, does not want, and is not pleased with---one conspicuous piece of evidence being that a lot of the things Christians think God wants them to do and are doing (whether "for Jesus" or for themselves) actually violate commands and teachings of the New Testament. So you know right there that it's not actually God's will, even if they think it is, and even if their 'pastor' and their whole church approves and agrees, being equally ignorant or deceived about it.
So if a prophet comes along and tells them otherwise, they may think that he or she is not speaking according to the Spirit of God, because what the prophet is telling them sounds strange and is contrary to what they have been taught or otherwise led to believe.
True prophets make deposits into the body of Christ not withdraws.
I don't know what you mean by this, but I already addressed the distinction between prophets in the Body and prophetesses (who are not members of the Body of Christ). But if you were implying or stating by this that my gift should be to help rather than to harm---which is more helpful: To tell people the unpleasant, undesirable truth that could save their lives if they receive it, and to exhort them to do what is right, or to tell them false and empty things that they want to hear and want to believe?
It's not beneficial to the saints to tell them the things many of them want to hear, because what they want to hear is worthless, dangerous, and false. Not that a faithful prophet would tell people what they want to hear anyway.
If you're concerned about "withdrawals" from Christ's Body, and from His kingdom, you should be THANKFUL for what I have been saying to my brothers and sisters on this thread, not offended or angry.
Stop treating me as a foe to be defeated. You're not doing anyone a service, but a disservice by discouraging them from hearing what God wants them to know. That's the business of the enemy. Be careful that you are not being used by them in your anger.
There are about to be a whole lot of "withdrawals" from the Kingdom of God very soon---Christians withdrawing themselves by taking the mark of the beast.
(But you don't want to hear that, because it's mean and scary. Scary it may be, but it's still the truth, and you can take action, as I have said in my other posts. I have not been fear-mongering or threatening. I have been sharing the knowledge the Lord has given me, unpleasant and undesirable as it may be to most, and exhorting people to prepare themselves. They either don't like or can't receive the truths and the warning. But there's nothing I can do about that.)
You sound like you took the Kris Vallotton or Jennifer LeClaire profit course and now feel like you are God mouthpiece. Get a refund. (This is just an insult; and I have no idea who those people are. How are you so harsh with me when these sorts of things proceed out of your own heart?)
OH Goodness and how do you discern what is bad, crooked or broken? (I don't know people's hearts; God does. My rebukes to those for whom it is applicable are based on HIS knowledge, not mine.) This cavalier attitude (judgment) is why you are mocked and rightly so.NO true Prophet is above the local Pastor. (This is also not true. But again, I don't teach doctrine, so I'm not going to say anything more about it. And I am a prophetess, not a prophet; God does not use us in the same way. I use the term "prophet" as a general term for those with the gift of prophecy.)
So you are the Holy Spirit is that it? Please show us all where you are mandated to call out another persons sins and set them straight?(So I should just tell people that God's judgment is coming on His people---and not tell them why?) Youare not the Holy Spirit and if anyone is warned of a particular sin, it is usually the the gift of the word of Knowledge and in private. (Where have I called out any individual's specific sins, and what makes you think I would do so in an online forum, if I knew them? I have spoken in general of the sins that Christians who are against the Lord in their hearts and ways are committing. Those who are guilty of what I mentioned know they are and that the rebuke is deserved, whether they repent or not; and those the rebuke does not apply to also know it and aren't worried about it. So what is your problem?)
The Prophet mandate is also the same mandate found for the 4 other gifts in EPh 4:11-13 (Again, this does not pertain to prophetesses.)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, [SUP]12 [/SUP]for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; [SUP]13 [/SUP]until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.Prophets point a direction and help correct, not destroy. They are under the authority of God and the Local church Pastor.
(I've already addressed both these things above. Telling God's people pleasant lies would be helping to destroy. Speaking against someone who is telling people the truth, and trying to discourage them from hearing a warning and knowledge that is potentially valuable to them, is helping to destroy. If Christians are destroyed, it will be by their own choice, not because of anything I have said to them.)
I suppose I would prefer you to softly say Lord, Lord I am deceived, help me see it.
(I humbly but strongly advise you to do this yourself.)
Again, The Bible instructs elders, Pastors to rebuke their flock, unless given this spiritual authority you cannot exercise it over just anyone. Why would a saint that is doing well need a Prophetic rebuke? (My rebukes were not directed at the saints who know that they are doing well, and they wouldn't receive it, for that reason.) I mean really are you seeing how you just contradict yourself here? 90% of the time people get hurt by a Prophetic rebuke (There is no reason why someone to whom my rebuke, or the rebuke of anyone, prophet or otherwise, does not apply should be hurt by it, if they know their own heart and ways before the Lord and have peace with Him about it.) because they are delivered by a false charlatan profit like you that has no such mandate, gift or grace to do it and are deceived and working in the flesh. (1 Corinthians 4:3-5)No, the need of most sons and daughters at this hour is to be taught how to listen, hear and obey the voice of God for themselves (as I exhort and have provided wise counsel on how to do in some of the videos on "my" channel, regarding faith and how to be discerning---as helpful advice for those who may desire it---as well as on an individual basis in my interactions with other believers.), so we can get rid of the False Prophetic leaven and cancer in the Body. (Assuming that this was directed at me, that is your persuasion/belief. And I am not in the Body. But to be sure there are plenty of false and cancerous false prophets and illegitimate teachers doing harm in the Body of Christ. But most of His people love to have it so.)
How are you confident to declare what the need of most of God's sons and daughters is at this hour? Has He told you?
I DO know that most of them need to repent, not only because the Lord has made this known to me through prophetic insight, but also because the Bible testifies to it---to those who understand the applicability of the prophetic scriptures to the present time. The evidence of this also surrounds those who are wise; you don't have to have the prophetic gift to recognize that fact.
No true prophet condemns the local pastor as you do, period. You are giving yourself away girl, you act, tlak defend and speak like a NAR prophet. (I don't know what that is, or care. I imagine that it's another insult.)
Then why did you have to announce (mention) you were a Prophet?
(You don't think people would have asked if I had declared the things I've declared without mentioning that I have the prophetic gift? Besides, knowing this gives people more reason to consider seriously the things I have shared with them, as they should. Even if they do not receive me as a prophetess, hopefully they will still receive the rebukes, exhortation, and insight, recognizing that it agrees with and comes from both the Scriptures and the Spirit of the Lord.)
See, True Prophets are easily recognized for the fact they do not ever have to announce, validate, approve or defend themselves.
(No, they are recognized by whether the people who hear them recognize that they are speaking according to the Holy Spirit, because God convicts them of this, and because what they declare comes to pass. It doesn't matter whether they say they are a prophet or not. God validates them to those who receive them, and their words validate them when their words prove true.
And it doesn't matter whether anyone receives them; it doesn't change what they are, if they really are prophets.
I certainly wouldn't have said this much about the gift if you hadn't solicited the information and made a number of false claims and statements about myself, and other things pertaining to the prophetic gift. Nor have I any intention of doing so with you again.)
Thanks for telling us what the Bible already exhorts us to do. (I realize you're being insincere, but you're welcome; maybe someday it will be sincere. It's always good to be reminded of what the Bible tells us to do, especially in spiritually perilous times like these.)
Final analysis and based solely on the many contradictions and the fact you disregard the true prophetic mandates found in 1 Cor 14:3 and Eph 4:11-13: (Addressed above.) You are a false prophet, you need to repent, get right and stop playing games with people.
If that is what you believe, God will have to show you differently. But I strongly advise you not to continue your counterproductive 'attacks' on me, as though I'm a beast to be slayed. Let others test what they hear for themselves and receive what God would have them to receive. You're not doing anyone a favor by contending with me, even if you think you are.
Proverbs 25:14 warns us of people like you:
Like clouds and wind without rain
Is a man who boasts of his gifts falsely.
The true prophet you describe is disliked, because, news flash, they are not true prophets (That is your belief/judgment), because they bully(?) rightful leaders in churches they attend (I don't attend a church, and you have no idea whether the leaders of any church are "rightful" or not. The fact that they are filling a position does not mean that God placed them in it.), think they have the mandate to disrupt what God is doing in a local church (God is about to seriously "disrupt" the so-called 'churches'. That's not a threat, it's a guarantee.), have no honor to the local shepherd, because they are told (By whom?) they are above the local pastor and can violate the mandate of 1 COr 14:(I accidentally over-typed the last part of that scripture reference.) and also speak death, destruction, judgment and the like. (Prophets can and should speak whatever God gives them the faith to speak to whomever they speak, whether it is a warning or a word of encouragement or a rebuke.)
God would not send a prophetess to rebuke a pastor (even a pastor-in-name-only); nor have I ever done so, in a church or elsewhere, although I do speak against what they are doing, as God allows and is pleased for me to do. He would send a male prophet to do this, but not a woman.
There is a difference between prophets in the Church and prophetesses. Building up the Church is a service of prophets, not prophetesses. The spiritual gifts mentioned in 1 Corinthians, and their administration, is speaking about men---the Church, of whom Christ is the Head. Women are not a part of the Church. We are not even supposed to speak in the congregations, let alone prophesy. That doesn't mean we aren't equally saved or equally loved by God, but that we aren't members of the Body of Christ, which is just the brothers. So the things that are written to the brothers do not always apply to the sisters also.
"When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men." Ephesians 4:8 (These are the gifts given to Christian men---the Body of Christ---for the building up of the same: Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers. God doesn't call or equip women to do any of those things. The prophetic gift in women is not for the building up of the church. It serves other purposes, but that's not one of them.)
And since we're on the subject of 1 Corinthians 14, did you overlook verse 34 and 35? How many "pastors" do you know who teach or insist on this?
Since you believe that you are competent to judge who is a prophet and who isn't and know everything about the gift and how it should work, why did you think that a prophetess would prophesy in the church, or that prophetesses build up the Church?
If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing you are a command of the Lord. If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized. (1 Corinthians 14:37,38)
So, you recognize as a God-appointed pastor a man who allows women to speak and sing in the church (maybe even encourages them to do so), and you think that women are included in the instructions for the use of spiritual gifts in the Church, but you are confident that you can discern who is and is not a prophet?
That is why I said that Christians may not receive someone who DOES have the gift of prophecy, because they are embracing beliefs about how God works, what He commands, what He expects and what He allows that are based on erroneous teachings and ideas from wherever and whomever, and on the misunderstanding or ignorance of His Word---so that what they think God is saying to them or wants them to do, or believe He is pleased with, He is not saying, does not want, and is not pleased with---one conspicuous piece of evidence being that a lot of the things Christians think God wants them to do and are doing (whether "for Jesus" or for themselves) actually violate commands and teachings of the New Testament. So you know right there that it's not actually God's will, even if they think it is, and even if their 'pastor' and their whole church approves and agrees, being equally ignorant or deceived about it.
So if a prophet comes along and tells them otherwise, they may think that he or she is not speaking according to the Spirit of God, because what the prophet is telling them sounds strange and is contrary to what they have been taught or otherwise led to believe.
True prophets make deposits into the body of Christ not withdraws.
I don't know what you mean by this, but I already addressed the distinction between prophets in the Body and prophetesses (who are not members of the Body of Christ). But if you were implying or stating by this that my gift should be to help rather than to harm---which is more helpful: To tell people the unpleasant, undesirable truth that could save their lives if they receive it, and to exhort them to do what is right, or to tell them false and empty things that they want to hear and want to believe?
It's not beneficial to the saints to tell them the things many of them want to hear, because what they want to hear is worthless, dangerous, and false. Not that a faithful prophet would tell people what they want to hear anyway.
If you're concerned about "withdrawals" from Christ's Body, and from His kingdom, you should be THANKFUL for what I have been saying to my brothers and sisters on this thread, not offended or angry.
Stop treating me as a foe to be defeated. You're not doing anyone a service, but a disservice by discouraging them from hearing what God wants them to know. That's the business of the enemy. Be careful that you are not being used by them in your anger.
There are about to be a whole lot of "withdrawals" from the Kingdom of God very soon---Christians withdrawing themselves by taking the mark of the beast.
(But you don't want to hear that, because it's mean and scary. Scary it may be, but it's still the truth, and you can take action, as I have said in my other posts. I have not been fear-mongering or threatening. I have been sharing the knowledge the Lord has given me, unpleasant and undesirable as it may be to most, and exhorting people to prepare themselves. They either don't like or can't receive the truths and the warning. But there's nothing I can do about that.)
You sound like you took the Kris Vallotton or Jennifer LeClaire profit course and now feel like you are God mouthpiece. Get a refund. (This is just an insult; and I have no idea who those people are. How are you so harsh with me when these sorts of things proceed out of your own heart?)
OH Goodness and how do you discern what is bad, crooked or broken? (I don't know people's hearts; God does. My rebukes to those for whom it is applicable are based on HIS knowledge, not mine.) This cavalier attitude (judgment) is why you are mocked and rightly so.NO true Prophet is above the local Pastor. (This is also not true. But again, I don't teach doctrine, so I'm not going to say anything more about it. And I am a prophetess, not a prophet; God does not use us in the same way. I use the term "prophet" as a general term for those with the gift of prophecy.)
So you are the Holy Spirit is that it? Please show us all where you are mandated to call out another persons sins and set them straight?(So I should just tell people that God's judgment is coming on His people---and not tell them why?) Youare not the Holy Spirit and if anyone is warned of a particular sin, it is usually the the gift of the word of Knowledge and in private. (Where have I called out any individual's specific sins, and what makes you think I would do so in an online forum, if I knew them? I have spoken in general of the sins that Christians who are against the Lord in their hearts and ways are committing. Those who are guilty of what I mentioned know they are and that the rebuke is deserved, whether they repent or not; and those the rebuke does not apply to also know it and aren't worried about it. So what is your problem?)
The Prophet mandate is also the same mandate found for the 4 other gifts in EPh 4:11-13 (Again, this does not pertain to prophetesses.)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, [SUP]12 [/SUP]for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; [SUP]13 [/SUP]until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.Prophets point a direction and help correct, not destroy. They are under the authority of God and the Local church Pastor.
(I've already addressed both these things above. Telling God's people pleasant lies would be helping to destroy. Speaking against someone who is telling people the truth, and trying to discourage them from hearing a warning and knowledge that is potentially valuable to them, is helping to destroy. If Christians are destroyed, it will be by their own choice, not because of anything I have said to them.)
I suppose I would prefer you to softly say Lord, Lord I am deceived, help me see it.
(I humbly but strongly advise you to do this yourself.)
Again, The Bible instructs elders, Pastors to rebuke their flock, unless given this spiritual authority you cannot exercise it over just anyone. Why would a saint that is doing well need a Prophetic rebuke? (My rebukes were not directed at the saints who know that they are doing well, and they wouldn't receive it, for that reason.) I mean really are you seeing how you just contradict yourself here? 90% of the time people get hurt by a Prophetic rebuke (There is no reason why someone to whom my rebuke, or the rebuke of anyone, prophet or otherwise, does not apply should be hurt by it, if they know their own heart and ways before the Lord and have peace with Him about it.) because they are delivered by a false charlatan profit like you that has no such mandate, gift or grace to do it and are deceived and working in the flesh. (1 Corinthians 4:3-5)No, the need of most sons and daughters at this hour is to be taught how to listen, hear and obey the voice of God for themselves (as I exhort and have provided wise counsel on how to do in some of the videos on "my" channel, regarding faith and how to be discerning---as helpful advice for those who may desire it---as well as on an individual basis in my interactions with other believers.), so we can get rid of the False Prophetic leaven and cancer in the Body. (Assuming that this was directed at me, that is your persuasion/belief. And I am not in the Body. But to be sure there are plenty of false and cancerous false prophets and illegitimate teachers doing harm in the Body of Christ. But most of His people love to have it so.)
How are you confident to declare what the need of most of God's sons and daughters is at this hour? Has He told you?
I DO know that most of them need to repent, not only because the Lord has made this known to me through prophetic insight, but also because the Bible testifies to it---to those who understand the applicability of the prophetic scriptures to the present time. The evidence of this also surrounds those who are wise; you don't have to have the prophetic gift to recognize that fact.
No true prophet condemns the local pastor as you do, period. You are giving yourself away girl, you act, tlak defend and speak like a NAR prophet. (I don't know what that is, or care. I imagine that it's another insult.)
Then why did you have to announce (mention) you were a Prophet?
(You don't think people would have asked if I had declared the things I've declared without mentioning that I have the prophetic gift? Besides, knowing this gives people more reason to consider seriously the things I have shared with them, as they should. Even if they do not receive me as a prophetess, hopefully they will still receive the rebukes, exhortation, and insight, recognizing that it agrees with and comes from both the Scriptures and the Spirit of the Lord.)
See, True Prophets are easily recognized for the fact they do not ever have to announce, validate, approve or defend themselves.
(No, they are recognized by whether the people who hear them recognize that they are speaking according to the Holy Spirit, because God convicts them of this, and because what they declare comes to pass. It doesn't matter whether they say they are a prophet or not. God validates them to those who receive them, and their words validate them when their words prove true.
And it doesn't matter whether anyone receives them; it doesn't change what they are, if they really are prophets.
I certainly wouldn't have said this much about the gift if you hadn't solicited the information and made a number of false claims and statements about myself, and other things pertaining to the prophetic gift. Nor have I any intention of doing so with you again.)
Thanks for telling us what the Bible already exhorts us to do. (I realize you're being insincere, but you're welcome; maybe someday it will be sincere. It's always good to be reminded of what the Bible tells us to do, especially in spiritually perilous times like these.)
Final analysis and based solely on the many contradictions and the fact you disregard the true prophetic mandates found in 1 Cor 14:3 and Eph 4:11-13: (Addressed above.) You are a false prophet, you need to repent, get right and stop playing games with people.
If that is what you believe, God will have to show you differently. But I strongly advise you not to continue your counterproductive 'attacks' on me, as though I'm a beast to be slayed. Let others test what they hear for themselves and receive what God would have them to receive. You're not doing anyone a favor by contending with me, even if you think you are.
Proverbs 25:14 warns us of people like you:
Like clouds and wind without rain
Is a man who boasts of his gifts falsely.
I have never boasted of my gift; God, and those to whom He confirms it will know whether or not it is false.
I have no desire to have another exchange with you, or with anyone else who thinks like you, about it. It's a waste of time, and not what the Lord would have me to do.
Whether or not people receive me as a prophetess or not is between them and God; you have made far more of my gift than I ever would; and quite honestly, your preoccupation with it is sickening to me.
I really couldn't care less whether people receive me as a prophetess as long as they receive the message. And if they don't listen to me, hopefully they'll get the same message from someone else, and will listen to them.
I won't be responding to any further posts from you. Based on the content and tone of your messages to me I strongly and lovingly recommend that you examine the attitude of your spirit and check it against the Spirit of Christ. Remember that God knows the motives and attitudes of our hearts and judges them, not only our actions and our words.
(As for anyone else who may be reading this post, I encourage you to test the things I have shared on this thread for yourselves---with clean hands, a sincere heart, and a good conscience toward God---with prayer for God to show you whether they are true, and by examining His word. May the Lord bless you.)
