We are saved by grace not works, so why are we to be judged by Christ?
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Mark 16:15
Believing and being baptised will contribute to you being saved (delivered) as you sojourn here in this world, but is not the cause of your eternal deliverance.
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These are just my notes:
1) Eternal Salvation of the Spirit
“By grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not of works, that no man should glory” (Eph. 2.8,9).
“Who saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace” (2 Tim. 1.9a)
“Not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us” (Titus 3.5a). “We believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus” (Acts 15.11a)
2) Saved before men. (Mark 16:16; Heb 7:25; Matt. 6:13)
3) Saved Daily (Phil. 2:12,13; Heb. 7:25; Matt. 6:13)
4) Saved out of Affliction (2 Cor. 1:8-10; Ps. 34:7; Phil 1:19; 2 Tim 4:17-18)
5) Saved in the Body (Phil 3:21; Rom 8:23,24; Rom 13:11)
6) Saved in the Soul (1 Thes. 5:23; Matt. 16:25 (this sacrifice = entering into millennial kingdom); Matt. 25:21,23; Luke 16:11,12 (lose own self today, gain what we really own in future); Mark 8:35 (sacrifice pleasures for God, special joy in future); Luke 17:33; Matt 10:22; Luke 21:19 (endure persecution -> reward); Heb 10:39 (faith in walking/living -> victorious living); I Pet. 1:9 (preserved through trials, etc.); James 1:21 (a goal/change in nature of Believer); 2 Tim 4:18; 2 Pet. 1:10-11; (saved in the soul is how the believer experiences the reality of the Kingdom while still alive on the earth)
Each point would be a study.
The reason we labor over "salvation" is that we have been taught either "one and done" (OSAS) or a precarious "revolving door" salvation (in and out, in and out). Truthfully, we may be saved in one area and not in another. This is not difficult to understand when we consider that we are saved to be matured. Even a natural child thrives in his futile thinking because of the care extended to him by his loving parents. How much more does a spiritual baby of God (born again by the Spirit) thrive because of God's love for him? Growing in maturity is required for salvation but a man begins the journey as an infant of God.
1) Eternal Salvation of the Spirit
“By grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not of works, that no man should glory” (Eph. 2.8,9).
“Who saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace” (2 Tim. 1.9a)
“Not by works done in righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy he saved us” (Titus 3.5a). “We believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus” (Acts 15.11a)
2) Saved before men. (Mark 16:16; Heb 7:25; Matt. 6:13)
3) Saved Daily (Phil. 2:12,13; Heb. 7:25; Matt. 6:13)
4) Saved out of Affliction (2 Cor. 1:8-10; Ps. 34:7; Phil 1:19; 2 Tim 4:17-18)
5) Saved in the Body (Phil 3:21; Rom 8:23,24; Rom 13:11)
6) Saved in the Soul (1 Thes. 5:23; Matt. 16:25 (this sacrifice = entering into millennial kingdom); Matt. 25:21,23; Luke 16:11,12 (lose own self today, gain what we really own in future); Mark 8:35 (sacrifice pleasures for God, special joy in future); Luke 17:33; Matt 10:22; Luke 21:19 (endure persecution -> reward); Heb 10:39 (faith in walking/living -> victorious living); I Pet. 1:9 (preserved through trials, etc.); James 1:21 (a goal/change in nature of Believer); 2 Tim 4:18; 2 Pet. 1:10-11; (saved in the soul is how the believer experiences the reality of the Kingdom while still alive on the earth)
Each point would be a study.
The reason we labor over "salvation" is that we have been taught either "one and done" (OSAS) or a precarious "revolving door" salvation (in and out, in and out). Truthfully, we may be saved in one area and not in another. This is not difficult to understand when we consider that we are saved to be matured. Even a natural child thrives in his futile thinking because of the care extended to him by his loving parents. How much more does a spiritual baby of God (born again by the Spirit) thrive because of God's love for him? Growing in maturity is required for salvation but a man begins the journey as an infant of God.
Rev 3: The Spirit's Word to the Churches
The Church in Sardis
3 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,
‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. 4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
6 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’
The Church in Philadelphia
7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write,
‘These things says He who is holy, He who is true, “He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens”: 8 “I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name. 9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you. 10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
13 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’
Learnings from the Message to the First Church:
(1) God did not "find their works perfect before God" (vs 2). They are a classic example of what James 2 speaks about. They had a weak faith, but no works. He does not say they are lost. But they are going to experience His chastisement/discipline if they don't correct themselves, and bear much greater fruit. In the earlier chapter, He spoke of those who fell from their First Love.
(2) A few names even in Sardis did not defile their garments, i.e. they did not sin gravely after being justified/regenerated. Thus, they preserved the baptismal garments of grace that God gave when they first believed and were baptized. These He says will walk with Him in white, for they are worthy. Very obviously, this group are set before us for emulation. We should strive to be like them.
(3) God gives the same Promise of being clothed with Him in white, and walking with Him in Paradise, to those who overcome sin like they did. This shows that, by the Power of the Holy Spirit living in us, we can and should overcome sin, whether it is greed, pride, lust, sloth or any other sin. And if we do, we have these rewards in Paradise that He speaks of.
That's it for the first Church. Will get back to the Message to the Second Church, in Philadelphia, subsequently. God Bless.
The Church in Sardis
3 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,
‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. 4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
6 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’
The Church in Philadelphia
7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write,
‘These things says He who is holy, He who is true, “He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens”: 8 “I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name. 9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you. 10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
13 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’
Learnings from the Message to the First Church:
(1) God did not "find their works perfect before God" (vs 2). They are a classic example of what James 2 speaks about. They had a weak faith, but no works. He does not say they are lost. But they are going to experience His chastisement/discipline if they don't correct themselves, and bear much greater fruit. In the earlier chapter, He spoke of those who fell from their First Love.
(2) A few names even in Sardis did not defile their garments, i.e. they did not sin gravely after being justified/regenerated. Thus, they preserved the baptismal garments of grace that God gave when they first believed and were baptized. These He says will walk with Him in white, for they are worthy. Very obviously, this group are set before us for emulation. We should strive to be like them.
(3) God gives the same Promise of being clothed with Him in white, and walking with Him in Paradise, to those who overcome sin like they did. This shows that, by the Power of the Holy Spirit living in us, we can and should overcome sin, whether it is greed, pride, lust, sloth or any other sin. And if we do, we have these rewards in Paradise that He speaks of.
That's it for the first Church. Will get back to the Message to the Second Church, in Philadelphia, subsequently. God Bless.
Ephesians 4:5-6
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”
Isaiah 9:6-7 KJV
“And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luke 1:31KJV
“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”
Matthew 1:21 KJV
“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.”
Luke 2:11 KJV
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Acts 4:12 KJV
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
John 14:6
“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.”
John 8:12-13 KJV
“And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.”
John 6:35 KJV
“In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”
John 7:37-38 KJV
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
John 17:5 KJV
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
John 20:17 KJV
“Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
…but these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
John 20:27-29, 31 KJV
“And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.( the gospel is his record of his son )
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:8-13, 20
Merry Christmas
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Mark 16:15
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Matthew 11:27-30 KJV
“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
John 6:45 KJV
“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
Isaiah 51:4 KJV
“And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.”
Isaiah 2:3 KJV
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
oyster67 said:
God's born-again children are judged according to their works in Heaven after the rapture. They are not judged at the Great White Throne Judgement. Only the wicked are judged at the Great White Throne Judgement.
I am so glad that you are open to that.
2 Corinthians 5:10
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
Revelation 20:11
“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.”
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oyster67 said:
Every born-again man began life as a sinner and did not receive the Holy Spirit until after he invited Jesus into his heart.
Romans 3:10
“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:”
Romans 3:23
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
God's born-again children are judged according to their works in Heaven after the rapture. They are not judged at the Great White Throne Judgement. Only the wicked are judged at the Great White Throne Judgement.
I am so glad that you are open to that.
2 Corinthians 5:10
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
Revelation 20:11
“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.”
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oyster67 said:
Every born-again man began life as a sinner and did not receive the Holy Spirit until after he invited Jesus into his heart.
Romans 3:10
“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:”
Romans 3:23
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
“We don't have to fulfill a certain work quota in order to maintain our salvation.”
i agree completely and have never said different. We only have to hear and believe the gospel to Be saved. We only have to believe what God said will save us to be saved by faith.
“Faith without works" is simply proof that our faith is not genuine and true.”
No it’s just proof it’s not mature yet
“But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:16-17 KJV
“Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.”
Luke 8:11-15 KJV
It’s really simple faith isn’t why we don’t need to obey God , it’s the reason we can and do leeen from him and that is why our actions change
It’s a fruit of having a real discipleship of Jesus Christ that’s what the gospel offers you also can become Jesus disciple and learn from the lords gospel and know the truth about God and mankind.
“Christians” literally means “ disciples of Jesus “
what I’m saying is jesus teaches us what to do and what we can’t keep doing , we have to accept it is the point that means we’re going to have to actually do what he’s saying or it shows we’re just not growing up yet it doesn’t mean “ now your lost you didnt check all the boxes “ or you need to have a certain amount of works “ that’s never been something I’ve said
jesus teaches us how to be saved all we have to do is believe in him it’s going to change us and what we do
We need to just get real and come as is to the gospel and believe d let him teach us about being saved and it will never fail
i agree completely and have never said different. We only have to hear and believe the gospel to Be saved. We only have to believe what God said will save us to be saved by faith.
“Faith without works" is simply proof that our faith is not genuine and true.”
No it’s just proof it’s not mature yet
“But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:16-17 KJV
“Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.”
Luke 8:11-15 KJV
It’s really simple faith isn’t why we don’t need to obey God , it’s the reason we can and do leeen from him and that is why our actions change
It’s a fruit of having a real discipleship of Jesus Christ that’s what the gospel offers you also can become Jesus disciple and learn from the lords gospel and know the truth about God and mankind.
“Christians” literally means “ disciples of Jesus “
what I’m saying is jesus teaches us what to do and what we can’t keep doing , we have to accept it is the point that means we’re going to have to actually do what he’s saying or it shows we’re just not growing up yet it doesn’t mean “ now your lost you didnt check all the boxes “ or you need to have a certain amount of works “ that’s never been something I’ve said
jesus teaches us how to be saved all we have to do is believe in him it’s going to change us and what we do
We need to just get real and come as is to the gospel and believe d let him teach us about being saved and it will never fail
oyster67 said:
Every born-again man began life as a sinner and did not receive the Holy Spirit until after he invited Jesus into his heart.
I can repost the Scriptures that I gave you in that same post again, if you like...
Every born-again man began life as a sinner and did not receive the Holy Spirit until after he invited Jesus into his heart.
I can repost the Scriptures that I gave you in that same post again, if you like...
oyster67 said:
"Faith without works" is simply proof that our faith is not genuine and true.
James 2:26
“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
"Faith without works" is simply proof that our faith is not genuine and true.
James 2:26
“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
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And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; and should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how
. For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear. But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.
And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.
Mark 4:26-29, 33 KJV
Faith has to hear and receive the seeds that grow up or it can't bear fruit over a lifetime the gospel changes us alot
. For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear. But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.
And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.
Mark 4:26-29, 33 KJV
Faith has to hear and receive the seeds that grow up or it can't bear fruit over a lifetime the gospel changes us alot
