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sevenseas

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Just curious, do you believe in Hyper-Grace?


what is hyper grace?

I see people using that term as some kind of put down here

if I don't believe in lordship salvation does that mean I am automatically categorized as something else?

define what you are asking, because I never heard the term until this forum and it seems a little silly from what I can see
 
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what is hyper grace?

I see people using that term as some kind of put down here

if I don't believe in lordship salvation does that mean I am automatically categorized as something else?

define what you are asking, because I never heard the term until this forum and it seems a little silly from what I can see

Some people are new here but the subject has been asked by the mods to not be engaged because of the bad behavior it brings with it.

Unfortunately there are still some old chat members which still violate this ask of the mods - so when this happens we just report it and leave it in their hands. We don't interact with these types anymore.

Here is the basics below: There was some bad name-calling and treads made up attacking certain ministers...etc.

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BUT maturity and not attacking those is what is needed. here is what we get when the "hyper grace" topic is brought up:

1. your not saved
2. attacks
3. false teacher
4. infraction submitted
5. request for account to be closed
6. name calling
7. "hyper grace" brought into every post when not even the topic of origin

I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.

Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue . And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it. remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.

God bless,

very respectfully,

CS1

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/143507-hyper-grace-preachers-doctrine-cc.html
 
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sevenseas

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so then someone should not even ask someone if they are 'hyper grace'? is that it?

there does seem to be some kind of hyper vigilante thing going on, but I am not sure what their cause actually is

the need for labels by some people says more about them then the one they want to label

my background is pretty conservative but I have made my own mind up about thingss

it is very irritating for people who don't even know you, to accuse you and make quantum leaps about who you are

they must have a lot of fear in their lives
 
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so then someone should not even ask someone if they are 'hyper grace'? is that it?

there does seem to be some kind of hyper vigilante thing going on, but I am not sure what their cause actually is

the need for labels by some people says more about them then the one they want to label

my background is pretty conservative but I have made my own mind up about thingss

it is very irritating for people who don't even know you, to accuse you and make quantum leaps about who you are

they must have a lot of fear in their lives
I would say that it is best just to ignore these type of things. I see the one who asked is new here too so he wouldn't know about some things here. All is well...:)
 

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I got to this thread late. Unless I posted and just forgot. I think the only thing I did was watch the video.
I've been reading a lot of your posts joanie but I don't think I officially said hello. :)
Also, you have funny smileys. lol.

I want to address your first paragraph.
I believe God will do whatever is necessary to prepare us for where we're going and to bear the weight of His glory.
Usually, when I read your posts, I come away saying: well, it depends on how you look at it.
This paragraph is no different. I'm saying the same thing. It depends.

I am currently in poverty. It's some pretty abject poverty. It's been a ferocious struggle of my trust. For the very fact that my trust is being tested, by this I know it is either from the hand of God, OR He is using, as you say, the world,flesh and devil, to try my trust so it comes out pure. Satan certainly wouldn't be increasing my trust, or even wanting it to increase.

It says God allowed them to become very thirsty in the desert to see what they would do. You might view that poverty of not having any water when you're thirsty as being from the world, flesh or devil, but it specifically says GOD allowed them to become very thirsty. And it gives us the purpose of this too - to see what they would do. Would they walk by trust, or would their current circumstances determine their trust?

And He did the same with food. He refused to allow them to collect more than they needed for the day. He didn't do it, in my opinion, because He is stingy. He did it to bless and help them by growing their faith, which is more precious than silver tried in the fire 7 times.

Sometimes I think the fact that they carried great wealth into the desert with them is for our benefit (the Egyptians threw gold and jewelry at them begging them to just go) - in fact, in one place, it reads like they did it on their own by being crafty and knowing how to take advantage of a situation. It reads as if they said: okay, we'll go, but only if you pay us.

But the money didn't help them in the desert. It was worthless there, because no one was there to cook them some food they could buy or sell them some water.

They were poor and homeless, wandering around. Street people, you could say. And God LED them there on purpose. The state of poverty they found themselves in when they left the world system was on purpose. Was it to teach them a lesson? Yes, it was to teach them to trust Him. But they refused to listen so He could grow their faith. They just wanted physical comfort. But He was trying to bless and help them!

They got sick in the desert too. Snakes bit them and they were dying. And you might say that's the world, flesh and devil, but it was on purpose. It was a direct result of them angering Him. But was He angry without love and concern that they trust Him so He could bless them? No. It was for the very reason so they would be blessed and receive all He wanted to give them.

So was it the world, flesh and devil or did God, as you phrase it, "zap them" with poverty and sickness out of mean anger?
You see what He will cause - hunger, thirst, poverty, sickness - to bring increase in the greatest wealth we have - our trust.

So, like I said, it depends on how you look at it.




Hi Stunnedbygrace., I'm actually an old CC member who came back with a different name. Now I wish I kept the fancy Ladylynn name instead of using my own plain Jane name. So I believe you and I have been on these CC forums together before.

I hear you stunnedbygrace and understand what you are saying. I can tell you what I've read in the Bible and come to believe as the Holy Spirit has walked me through it. Actually I just posted on a thread I started from a devotional I enjoy regularly reading each day. The thread is called "Prayers That Proclaim" Discussing this issue. Sorry I don't know how to do the "link" trick so you can zip over there but I think it is still on the 1st page. Much of my answer to your question is in that thread as well as answering those who apposed my views on it.

Just a side note., Did you know that those Jews who left Egypt were all healthy and not one was crippled? (totally not like the movie with Charlton Heston) Did you know that while they were in the desert God gave them warmth and light by night and coolness and shade by day as they crossed the desert? This was before the law came. God gave them so much they didn't deserve but it was when they declared "all that you want we will do" that is when God took away His provisions. Even when they complained before that God didn't take away His provisions. It was only when they said they could do whatever God wanted on their own.







 
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sevenseas

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I would say that it is best just to ignore these type of things. I see the one who asked is new here too so he wouldn't know about some things here. All is well...:)

spokenpassage asked and he has actually been here since Jan 2013 I see

maybe he can say why he asked me that question which I am of the opinion is possibly more of a conclusion

I guess I could google it
 
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so then someone should not even ask someone if they are 'hyper grace'? is that it?

there does seem to be some kind of hyper vigilante thing going on, but I am not sure what their cause actually is

the need for labels by some people says more about them then the one they want to label

my background is pretty conservative but I have made my own mind up about thingss

it is very irritating for people who don't even know you, to accuse you and make quantum leaps about who you are

they must have a lot of fear in their lives
I dislike the term hyper grace because it is silly.....

Grace becomes perverted when it is taught that you are covered by grace and because of that you may go out and SIN all you want and live like hell and there are no consequences for that choice....the consequence is not loss of salvation, but it is loss of relationship in the terms you are searing your own conscience....

Grace becomes perverted when we say you are saved by grace only and there is no word of faith in your mouth and in your heart exercised in the conversion process and that actual verbal confession of Jesus is Lord is not really needed or a is not a verbal action...it is more of mentally assenting that yeah I confessed Jesus by believing in him only....

Make no mistake we are saved by grace, but not alone.... Romans 10.5-13 says:
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5 [/SUP]For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), [SUP]7 [/SUP]or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” [SUP]8 [/SUP]But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, [SUP]9 [/SUP]that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; [SUP]10 [/SUP]for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; [SUP]13 [/SUP]for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”


Grace becomes perverted when it is taught that it is the gift of faith of God saves you and not a personal word of faith in your mouth and heart as evidenced above... and that if you are faithless at any time...don't worry, Christ faith will save you anyway, because he cannot deny himself....that is wrong on so many levels I could write 20 blogs and still not say why enough....
 
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spokenpassage asked and he has actually been here since Jan 2013 I see

maybe he can say why he asked me that question which I am of the opinion is possibly more of a conclusion

I guess I could google it
I thought he was new because I never saw him here since I started 1 and 1/2 years ago. I would just forget it. You could do a search and you will find both views on it. Some correct - others not correct.
 
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sevenseas

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I thought he was new because I never saw him here since I started 1 and 1/2 years ago. I would just forget it. You could do a search and you will find both views on it. Some correct - others not correct.

it's probably more important to the definers on here than those who want to have an actual discussion and not give out points to those who say what they want them to say

I'm just not any kind of political creature in any area of life

equal opportunity offender here (kidding, maybe)
 
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sevenseas

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I dislike the term hyper grace because it is silly.....

Grace becomes perverted when it is taught that you are covered by grace and because of that you may go out and SIN all you want and live like hell and there are no consequences for that choice....the consequence is not loss of salvation, but it is loss of relationship in the terms you are searing your own conscience....

Grace becomes perverted when we say you are saved by grace only and there is no word of faith in your mouth and in your heart exercised in the conversion process and that actual verbal confession of Jesus is Lord is not really needed or a is not a verbal action...it is more of mentally assenting that yeah I confessed Jesus by believing in him only....

Make no mistake we are saved by grace, but not alone.... Romans 10.5-13 says:
[SUP]
5 [/SUP]For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), [SUP]7 [/SUP]or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” [SUP]8 [/SUP]But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, [SUP]9 [/SUP]that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; [SUP]10 [/SUP]for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; [SUP]13 [/SUP]for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”


Grace becomes perverted when it is taught that it is the gift of faith of God saves you and not a personal word of faith in your mouth and heart as evidenced above... and that if you are faithless at any time...don't worry, Christ faith will save you anyway, because he cannot deny himself....that is wrong on so many levels I could write 20 blogs and still not say why enough....
gee

I was saved very young. since I did not know all these variations, am I really saved?

do I have the permission of the word experts to say I am saved?

word of faith in your mouth means what exactly?

excuse me, but what the hee haw?

I guess no one in the church I grew up in is saved, cause they never taught on word of faith in your mouth

they just used
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; Romans 10:9

know what I think?

I think a rich man riding a camel will make it to heaven sooner than people who define everything to their own satisfaction PAST what scripture says in order to make salvation so complicated that God has to keep a dictionary handy

and no, I don't think that's blasphemy. I think I am saying the manure pit in the barn needs cleaning

 
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gee

I was saved very young. since I did not know all these variations, am I really saved?

do I have the permission of the word experts to say I am saved?

word of faith in your mouth means what exactly?

excuse me, but what the hee haw?

I guess no one in the church I grew up in is saved, cause they never taught on word of faith in your mouth

they just used
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; Romans 10:9

know what I think?

I think a rich man riding a camel will make it to heaven sooner than people who define everything to their own satisfaction PAST what scripture says in order to make salvation so complicated that God has to keep a dictionary handy

and no, I don't think that's blasphemy. I think I am saying the manure pit in the barn needs cleaning

I do agree with you. When I see my Lord on the cross dying for me and I know His heart,
it teaches me so much theology because the Lord of all, creator of all things, took the worst
death at the hands of lying evil hypocrites so we could be forgiven and be His friend and brother
and family. That literally breaks my heart and makes me cry.

I know many believers who are exactly like me, and it is this love that drives us, that molds us
and we know who our Lord is.

It is also why I take theology as less important as the emotional reality of where we stand
before the cross, both humble repentant sinners, and joyful, clean washed and redeemed saints.
I was very weak, bound and lost as a kid, only knowing a small part of what I was and why
so many things troubled me. But now in Christ I am a new creation, able to love share
and rejoice in all things and the wonderful relationships He has blessed me with.

I no longer think about who is saved or not, but more do they give glory to my King and
know His word working in their hearts. Clearly many do not, and though they have the words
it still has to take real root.

God bless you, Amen
 
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sevenseas

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I do agree with you. When I see my Lord on the cross dying for me and I know His heart,
it teaches me so much theology because the Lord of all, creator of all things, took the worst
death at the hands of lying evil hypocrites so we could be forgiven and be His friend and brother
and family. That literally breaks my heart and makes me cry.

I know many believers who are exactly like me, and it is this love that drives us, that molds us
and we know who our Lord is.

It is also why I take theology as less important as the emotional reality of where we stand
before the cross, both humble repentant sinners, and joyful, clean washed and redeemed saints.
I was very weak, bound and lost as a kid, only knowing a small part of what I was and why
so many things troubled me. But now in Christ I am a new creation, able to love share
and rejoice in all things and the wonderful relationships He has blessed me with.

I no longer think about who is saved or not, but more do they give glory to my King and
know His word working in their hearts. Clearly many do not, and though they have the words
it still has to take real root.

God bless you, Amen


it is Jesus on the cross I see looking at us

it is Jesus laughing and smiling as He eats a meal with His disciples

it is Jesus compelling me to look into His eyes and not look away

it is those things and more that I see in His words that He said the way He said them that make any difference in me

it is a living and changing relationship that brings you to your knees when words fail and He gives you peace that does not make sense and you know He is real

for the scoffers, let me add that the Bible is my plumb line, but Jesus became flesh and blood and was tempted in all ways as are we and He lived and He died and He rose again so that we might believe in Him

He is ALREADY Lord and our words do not make Him more or less so

God bless you too!
 
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I dislike the term hyper grace because it is silly.....
Grace becomes perverted when it is taught that you are covered by grace and because of that
you may go out and SIN all you want and live like hell and there are no consequences for that choice....
the consequence is not loss of salvation, but it is loss of relationship in the terms you are searing your own conscience...
There are many NT verses that obviously threaten loss of salvation.
They are directed at the church.
One cannot very well lose what one doesn't already have!
However, you are permitted to dream and hope all you want.
 
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what is hyper grace?

I see people using that term as some kind of put down here

if I don't believe in lordship salvation does that mean I am automatically categorized as something else?

define what you are asking, because I never heard the term until this forum and it seems a little silly from what I can see
Forgot about my thread, I apologize.

Hyper-grace is the over-emphasizing of grace and deemphasizing or even a denial of repentance to be saved, as well as living a life of holiness after.
 
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sevenseas

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Forgot about my thread, I apologize.

Hyper-grace is the over-emphasizing of grace and deemphasizing or even a denial of repentance to be saved, as well as living a life of holiness after.


I think someone may have been chumming the waters

he liked your post and was most likely licking his chops in anticipation

I see him doing this in every thread he is in

we should all stop falling for it

did he ask you to ask me that question?

no need to answer if he did. I found your question, shall we say, odd, considering the flow of the conversation
 
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I think someone may have been chumming the waters

he liked your post and was most likely licking his chops in anticipation

I see him doing this in every thread he is in

we should all stop falling for it

did he ask you to ask me that question?

no need to answer if he did. I found your question, shall we say, odd, considering the flow of the conversation
Well, you continue to bring up Lordship Salvation, which I see you find unbiblical. I was curious if you believed in hyper-grace, if not then I apologize for misunderstanding your position.

I usually ask questions like this to get an idea of where people are coming from. I know a good brother in the Lord who denies Lordship Salvation, because, well, I think he has misunderstood it. He believes the necessity of repentance in salvation, and the living after holiness afterward.
 
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sevenseas

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Well, you continue to bring up Lordship Salvation, which I see you find unbiblical. I was curious if you believed in hyper-grace, if not then I apologize for misunderstanding your position.

I usually ask questions like this to get an idea of where people are coming from. I know a good brother in the Lord who denies Lordship Salvation, because, well, I think he has misunderstood it. He believes the necessity of repentance in salvation, and the living after holiness afterward.

you brought up lordship salvation when you posted the video

he teaches lordship salvation, I responded to the video

assuming my objections automatically categorize me or anyone else who has objected, into one of several pre-determined groups prowling the forums here, is indicative of the narrow minded bigotry that is evident on some of these threads

lordship salvation is not biblical

Jesus is still Lord irregardless of the interpretations some have

frankly, this game of hunting down people in this forum to disagree with, provides a fine example of what is wrong with the mental processes of certain Christians whose only aim, it seems, is to qualify what they believe by denying anyone the right to determine their own walk with God

I don't think you personally are that narrow minded, but you did post the video and he does teach lordship salvation
 
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I know a good brother in the Lord who denies Lordship Salvation, because, well, I think he has misunderstood it.
He believes the necessity of repentance in salvation, and the living after holiness afterward.
Let's consider the verse, "without holiness, no one will see the Lord." (Hebrews)

Now, is Paul(?) playing games again?
Is he pulling another fast one by meaning ...
those with the Holy Spirit have automatically been made righteous, holy, and many etc.?
 
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lordship salvation is not biblical
Lordship salvation can easily be true ...
IF one has a deeper understanding of the terms: believe, faith, faithful, etc.
Me, I believe ...

True saving faith = deep heart belief + obedience + enduring faith and trust until the end of life

Considering the last part, there are only 15-20 NT verses which teach this!
 
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Lordship salvation can easily be true ...
IF one has a deeper understanding of the terms: believe, faith, faithful, etc.
Me, I believe ...

True saving faith = deep heart belief + obedience + enduring faith and trust until the end of life

Considering the last part, there are only 15-20 NT verses which teach this!
no

you cannot make Jesus more than He already is and I have said this until even the crickets are tired of chirping

I as a wife cannot be more or less of a wife no matter how I act

my behavior may alter for better or worse, but I am STILL my husband's wife.

Jesus is STILL Lord no matter how I behave.

I do want to please Him though because I love Him because He first loved me.

He is STILL Lord even when I sin in some area.

Salvation is the gift of God. I receive it. I don't pay for it.

Lordship salvationists have a double standard plan for your life. God, does not. I receive God's plan.