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This video affirms salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone, I hope that we all understand that. He is putting our faith to the test and reminding us that this walk in Christ isn't some skip in a daisy field, it is a daily crucifiying of the flesh. How many people have actually watched the video before commenting?
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does it have to be this exact video, or is a knowledge of how he teaches, his ministry and other videos acceptable?
one video doesn't really satisfy the criteria for a ministry
however, if you want to just have a one-off on the video, well I guess you did
I guess those same points could be made just posting scripture and then discussing
alot of people will not watch long videos and this one is over an hour long
I don't care for the Lordship salvation message but I have been clear on that
yes, we are saved by faith only, and we stay saved the same way
one video doesn't really satisfy the criteria for a ministry
however, if you want to just have a one-off on the video, well I guess you did
I guess those same points could be made just posting scripture and then discussing
alot of people will not watch long videos and this one is over an hour long
I don't care for the Lordship salvation message but I have been clear on that
yes, we are saved by faith only, and we stay saved the same way
Our old man has been crucified with Christ. What we do daily is to put faith in this. It's what reckon means.
For we are dead and our life is hid in God through Christ.
~Col 3:2 Keep your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on the earth.
Col 3:3 For you have died, and your life has been safely guarded by the Messiah in God.
For we are dead and our life is hid in God through Christ.
~Col 3:2 Keep your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on the earth.
Col 3:3 For you have died, and your life has been safely guarded by the Messiah in God.
We need Jesus to find life. Why are you projecting these ideas on to me?
I work on the premise without God man will always sink into sin, and destroy himself.
You can demonstrate morality exists in all societies and everyone always fails to follow it.
This shows the two aspects of man. He knows what is good, but does not know why he
fails to achieve it.
We as believers are salt, because we know the presence of God in our hearts preserves the
love and truth we hold. Without this presence society gets corrupted and falls into more and
more aberrant behaviour, seeking for the next high, like a drug addict wanting the next fix.
Look at the effect of pornography and free sex on the young. It is no longer questioned to
loose ones virginity, to have an abortion, to divorce, or have many partners, a 3 some in bed,
homosexuality, bisexual, asexual, trans-gender. Once the self becomes the reference point
and what you are happy with in private, anything goes.
People know what they were once as youngsters and how far they have fallen.
These realities describe how we are born and how innate morality is in our DNA.
I work on the premise without God man will always sink into sin, and destroy himself.
You can demonstrate morality exists in all societies and everyone always fails to follow it.
This shows the two aspects of man. He knows what is good, but does not know why he
fails to achieve it.
We as believers are salt, because we know the presence of God in our hearts preserves the
love and truth we hold. Without this presence society gets corrupted and falls into more and
more aberrant behaviour, seeking for the next high, like a drug addict wanting the next fix.
Look at the effect of pornography and free sex on the young. It is no longer questioned to
loose ones virginity, to have an abortion, to divorce, or have many partners, a 3 some in bed,
homosexuality, bisexual, asexual, trans-gender. Once the self becomes the reference point
and what you are happy with in private, anything goes.
People know what they were once as youngsters and how far they have fallen.
These realities describe how we are born and how innate morality is in our DNA.
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Narrow is the gate. The cross. The sacrifice of atonement, which only Christ could make. Because not even the high priest could stop sinning, although he was given the task by God himself to be high priest.
Wide is the gate to destruction, because so many people are trying to get to God through their own self righteousness, and REJECTING the grace of God, that he had to make that gate wide so they could all fit.
What is sad, is that so many who CLAIM to follow Christ, are trying to squeeze into that wide gate, instead of entering by the narrow Gate,. Which Jesus, who is sting at the gate of your heart, stands kn0cking, just asking for you to let him in, and he will carry you through that gate.
Wide is the gate to destruction, because so many people are trying to get to God through their own self righteousness, and REJECTING the grace of God, that he had to make that gate wide so they could all fit.
What is sad, is that so many who CLAIM to follow Christ, are trying to squeeze into that wide gate, instead of entering by the narrow Gate,. Which Jesus, who is sting at the gate of your heart, stands kn0cking, just asking for you to let him in, and he will carry you through that gate.
Matt 7:13“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14“For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
New American Standard Bible
Matt 11:12"From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force.
Luke 16:16“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.
New American Standard Bible
Matt 11:12"From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force.
Luke 16:16“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.
I agree with you on this, but it's not just the "gate" talked about in that passage. It says the gate is small and the "WAY" is narrow. There is clearly a "way" after we get through that small gate. I think we can agree that "way" is only possible to stay on by His power, and through His Holy Spirit guiding us, it is not "us" that get any credit for walking on that path, God gets all that glory and the person will always point anyone to Him, from what I've read and come to understand so far. This is not "self righteousness", this is the power of God working in us.
We do not become automatons after salvation, in my experience anyway, I still have free will and can still choose to do wrong, unless I check everything by His word I still feel I could be fooled and misled, that is why we should stay in His word as much as possible, not to "do a work", but to draw closer to our amazing, merciful, loving, forgiving, and just God that has conquered evil and made a way for us to be reconciled to that Goodness. Man I love our God, and thank Him with my life, as flawed as it is. Praise Jesus name.
We do not become automatons after salvation, in my experience anyway, I still have free will and can still choose to do wrong, unless I check everything by His word I still feel I could be fooled and misled, that is why we should stay in His word as much as possible, not to "do a work", but to draw closer to our amazing, merciful, loving, forgiving, and just God that has conquered evil and made a way for us to be reconciled to that Goodness. Man I love our God, and thank Him with my life, as flawed as it is. Praise Jesus name.
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I agree.
I hope you also agree, Walking back outside that gate after you have entered in (losing salvation) is not something that just happens because a believer falls down.. I would venture to say once your in your in.. Because if you entered by the blood. Would not th eblood keep you in? (Since the blood is unending) as is Gods grace?
I agree, what we do inside will dertmine how blessed we are in this lifetime,,
Yes I do agree with that, my drive to do "works", or improve areas I find I fall short in still, is not in fear of being booted out for the smallest mistake. Being reborn in Christ is not chains at all, it is absolute freedom from sin, and the power to actually grow away from it. In gratitude, awe and reverence, not EVER, EVER, EVER, fear. So yes I agree with you and you have also shared with me where you're coming from to and I agree that these "works" are a byproduct of salvation, never a payment. He changed me and that's the only reason I care to do any of these things.
Doors and gates are symbolic and we can look at the tabernacle for revelation..
Jesus is both declaring He is the High Priest of the sheep or the Jews...and using gate...could be seen as being in the world but not of it. It swings both ways...and it matters how one is when entering the gate.
Pride? can't go in...repent of it? opened.
Theres a dung gate...where animals enter? lol
Jesus is both declaring He is the High Priest of the sheep or the Jews...and using gate...could be seen as being in the world but not of it. It swings both ways...and it matters how one is when entering the gate.
Pride? can't go in...repent of it? opened.
Theres a dung gate...where animals enter? lol
amen peter making simply obeying the Lord God anything but the right thing to do is a faulty doctrine. Our Goals are to obey His ways and its not even a burden to do so, because it becomes our nature, through rebirth...But also through practicing the ways of the Lord in doing this we are putting on His "garments of righteousness" by adopting His will in place of our own. His will is plainly put forth in the gospel. Jesus taught us How to Live as Children of God and no real theology will ever discourage Good works.... rather truth will always spur each other on to DO Good works. every man of God we have record of Have one thing in common...they Obeyed God. None but Jesus were perfect, But all of them made clear the one principle from the beginning after the fall in the garden.
ecclesiastes 12:13-14 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
Paul echoed this as well in romans 2:5-11, and several other places in His letters. from abraham jacob, to moses, to david, solomon to the disciples before and after the cross. all the epistles and each of the for Gospel accounts the importance of the same priniciple is made crystal clear. sure were saved By Grace....TO DO GOOD WORKS prepared for us to do < all those things God says to do, which equal brotherly Love
ecclesiastes 12:13-14 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
Paul echoed this as well in romans 2:5-11, and several other places in His letters. from abraham jacob, to moses, to david, solomon to the disciples before and after the cross. all the epistles and each of the for Gospel accounts the importance of the same priniciple is made crystal clear. sure were saved By Grace....TO DO GOOD WORKS prepared for us to do < all those things God says to do, which equal brotherly Love
I didn't listen to the video either. I'm tired of hearing believers forget or reject the love of God for us and preach about a God who is out to get us for our times of faithlessness or better yet for our lessons. A God who zaps His children with sickness and poverty and confusion to "teach them a lesson"
The truth is the tribulation a believer gets is going to come from the world, the flesh and the devil. Not our heavenly Father. He sent His Son Jesus to pay for all our failures past present and future. God is not strapped by time and neither is our salvation. Our salvation HOLDS through all time and space. Jesus is our Anchor and HE HOLDs on to us by and through His love and grace poured out for us on the cross as PROOF. We don't deserve it. We GET it as a gift. God has given us everything to succeed. He even sent the Holy Spirit to live in us and guide and direct and teach us the way to go. What a travesty to teach that we have to earn God's blessings. That is not the gospel of grace and truth.
Yet many Christians preach and teach against the very grace and truth that saves us. They unwittingly bring back a religion of works. Falling from grace is going to happen when we choose to walk our Christian life in our own strength trying to deserve the grace of God. Trying to reason out life here by getting what is worked for and deserved in the natural vs getting everything because Jesus deserved it for us.
We cannot get good things that will last for Christ by our own wisdom like we used to do when we were unsaved., the way the world survives. They fight and outwit each other in order to get a head. They use their minds (and the mind is amazing) and they defeat less fortunate people in the brains department. Humans measure their worth by how much money they have, how great their brains are and how well they can articulate words in a debate as well as the praise and backing of men in the world.
Then., when the these same religious and hard working Christians fall into confusion, problems in life with people or with money and the lack of blessings they blame God for not being there. Then to cover a mess of why their Christian lives didn't work when they followed to a TEE the religious process, they have to believe and say "Those who live godly will suffer persecution.., in this world we will have tribulation" so I'm just being very godly so the more poor and troubled and sick I am the more spiritual I am.
The truth is the tribulation a believer gets is going to come from the world, the flesh and the devil. Not our heavenly Father. He sent His Son Jesus to pay for all our failures past present and future. God is not strapped by time and neither is our salvation. Our salvation HOLDS through all time and space. Jesus is our Anchor and HE HOLDs on to us by and through His love and grace poured out for us on the cross as PROOF. We don't deserve it. We GET it as a gift. God has given us everything to succeed. He even sent the Holy Spirit to live in us and guide and direct and teach us the way to go. What a travesty to teach that we have to earn God's blessings. That is not the gospel of grace and truth.
Yet many Christians preach and teach against the very grace and truth that saves us. They unwittingly bring back a religion of works. Falling from grace is going to happen when we choose to walk our Christian life in our own strength trying to deserve the grace of God. Trying to reason out life here by getting what is worked for and deserved in the natural vs getting everything because Jesus deserved it for us.
We cannot get good things that will last for Christ by our own wisdom like we used to do when we were unsaved., the way the world survives. They fight and outwit each other in order to get a head. They use their minds (and the mind is amazing) and they defeat less fortunate people in the brains department. Humans measure their worth by how much money they have, how great their brains are and how well they can articulate words in a debate as well as the praise and backing of men in the world.
Then., when the these same religious and hard working Christians fall into confusion, problems in life with people or with money and the lack of blessings they blame God for not being there. Then to cover a mess of why their Christian lives didn't work when they followed to a TEE the religious process, they have to believe and say "Those who live godly will suffer persecution.., in this world we will have tribulation" so I'm just being very godly so the more poor and troubled and sick I am the more spiritual I am.
I've been reading a lot of your posts joanie but I don't think I officially said hello.
Also, you have funny smileys. lol.
I want to address your first paragraph.
I believe God will do whatever is necessary to prepare us for where we're going and to bear the weight of His glory.
Usually, when I read your posts, I come away saying: well, it depends on how you look at it.
This paragraph is no different. I'm saying the same thing. It depends.
I am currently in poverty. It's some pretty abject poverty. It's been a ferocious struggle of my trust. For the very fact that my trust is being tested, by this I know it is either from the hand of God, OR He is using, as you say, the world,flesh and devil, to try my trust so it comes out pure. Satan certainly wouldn't be increasing my trust, or even wanting it to increase.
It says God allowed them to become very thirsty in the desert to see what they would do. You might view that poverty of not having any water when you're thirsty as being from the world, flesh or devil, but it specifically says GOD allowed them to become very thirsty. And it gives us the purpose of this too - to see what they would do. Would they walk by trust, or would their current circumstances determine their trust?
And He did the same with food. He refused to allow them to collect more than they needed for the day. He didn't do it, in my opinion, because He is stingy. He did it to bless and help them by growing their faith, which is more precious than silver tried in the fire 7 times.
Sometimes I think the fact that they carried great wealth into the desert with them is for our benefit (the Egyptians threw gold and jewelry at them begging them to just go) - in fact, in one place, it reads like they did it on their own by being crafty and knowing how to take advantage of a situation. It reads as if they said: okay, we'll go, but only if you pay us.
But the money didn't help them in the desert. It was worthless there, because no one was there to cook them some food they could buy or sell them some water.
They were poor and homeless, wandering around. Street people, you could say. And God LED them there on purpose. The state of poverty they found themselves in when they left the world system was on purpose. Was it to teach them a lesson? Yes, it was to teach them to trust Him. But they refused to listen so He could grow their faith. They just wanted physical comfort. But He was trying to bless and help them!
They got sick in the desert too. Snakes bit them and they were dying. And you might say that's the world, flesh and devil, but it was on purpose. It was a direct result of them angering Him. But was He angry without love and concern that they trust Him so He could bless them? No. It was for the very reason so they would be blessed and receive all He wanted to give them.
So was it the world, flesh and devil or did God, as you phrase it, "zap them" with poverty and sickness out of mean anger?
You see what He will cause - hunger, thirst, poverty, sickness - to bring increase in the greatest wealth we have - our trust.
So, like I said, it depends on how you look at it.
I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity;
I will put an end to the pomp of the arrogant, and lay low the pompous pride of the ruthless.
Isaiah 13:11
How one behaves is everything, but the key to walking in Gods ways
is Christs love in our hearts.
Jesus says something very simple, evildoers do not know Jesus.
Evil that we are talking about is the blatant evil that is obvious and in your face.
I got to this thread late. Unless I posted and just forgot. I think the only thing I did was watch the video.
I've been reading a lot of your posts joanie but I don't think I officially said hello.
Also, you have funny smileys. lol.
I want to address your first paragraph.
I believe God will do whatever is necessary to prepare us for where we're going and to bear the weight of His glory.
Usually, when I read your posts, I come away saying: well, it depends on how you look at it.
This paragraph is no different. I'm saying the same thing. It depends.
I am currently in poverty. It's some pretty abject poverty. It's been a ferocious struggle of my trust. For the very fact that my trust is being tested, by this I know it is either from the hand of God, OR He is using, as you say, the world,flesh and devil, to try my trust so it comes out pure. Satan certainly wouldn't be increasing my trust, or even wanting it to increase.
It says God allowed them to become very thirsty in the desert to see what they would do. You might view that poverty of not having any water when you're thirsty as being from the world, flesh or devil, but it specifically says GOD allowed them to become very thirsty. And it gives us the purpose of this too - to see what they would do. Would they walk by trust, or would their current circumstances determine their trust?
And He did the same with food. He refused to allow them to collect more than they needed for the day. He didn't do it, in my opinion, because He is stingy. He did it to bless and help them by growing their faith, which is more precious than silver tried in the fire 7 times.
Sometimes I think the fact that they carried great wealth into the desert with them is for our benefit (the Egyptians threw gold and jewelry at them begging them to just go) - in fact, in one place, it reads like they did it on their own by being crafty and knowing how to take advantage of a situation. It reads as if they said: okay, we'll go, but only if you pay us.
But the money didn't help them in the desert. It was worthless there, because no one was there to cook them some food they could buy or sell them some water.
They were poor and homeless, wandering around. Street people, you could say. And God LED them there on purpose. The state of poverty they found themselves in when they left the world system was on purpose. Was it to teach them a lesson? Yes, it was to teach them to trust Him. But they refused to listen so He could grow their faith. They just wanted physical comfort. But He was trying to bless and help them!
They got sick in the desert too. Snakes bit them and they were dying. And you might say that's the world, flesh and devil, but it was on purpose. It was a direct result of them angering Him. But was He angry without love and concern that they trust Him so He could bless them? No. It was for the very reason so they would be blessed and receive all He wanted to give them.
So was it the world, flesh and devil or did God, as you phrase it, "zap them" with poverty and sickness out of mean anger?
You see what He will cause - hunger, thirst, poverty, sickness - to bring increase in the greatest wealth we have - our trust.
So, like I said, it depends on how you look at it.
I've been reading a lot of your posts joanie but I don't think I officially said hello.
Also, you have funny smileys. lol.
I want to address your first paragraph.
I believe God will do whatever is necessary to prepare us for where we're going and to bear the weight of His glory.
Usually, when I read your posts, I come away saying: well, it depends on how you look at it.
This paragraph is no different. I'm saying the same thing. It depends.
I am currently in poverty. It's some pretty abject poverty. It's been a ferocious struggle of my trust. For the very fact that my trust is being tested, by this I know it is either from the hand of God, OR He is using, as you say, the world,flesh and devil, to try my trust so it comes out pure. Satan certainly wouldn't be increasing my trust, or even wanting it to increase.
It says God allowed them to become very thirsty in the desert to see what they would do. You might view that poverty of not having any water when you're thirsty as being from the world, flesh or devil, but it specifically says GOD allowed them to become very thirsty. And it gives us the purpose of this too - to see what they would do. Would they walk by trust, or would their current circumstances determine their trust?
And He did the same with food. He refused to allow them to collect more than they needed for the day. He didn't do it, in my opinion, because He is stingy. He did it to bless and help them by growing their faith, which is more precious than silver tried in the fire 7 times.
Sometimes I think the fact that they carried great wealth into the desert with them is for our benefit (the Egyptians threw gold and jewelry at them begging them to just go) - in fact, in one place, it reads like they did it on their own by being crafty and knowing how to take advantage of a situation. It reads as if they said: okay, we'll go, but only if you pay us.
But the money didn't help them in the desert. It was worthless there, because no one was there to cook them some food they could buy or sell them some water.
They were poor and homeless, wandering around. Street people, you could say. And God LED them there on purpose. The state of poverty they found themselves in when they left the world system was on purpose. Was it to teach them a lesson? Yes, it was to teach them to trust Him. But they refused to listen so He could grow their faith. They just wanted physical comfort. But He was trying to bless and help them!
They got sick in the desert too. Snakes bit them and they were dying. And you might say that's the world, flesh and devil, but it was on purpose. It was a direct result of them angering Him. But was He angry without love and concern that they trust Him so He could bless them? No. It was for the very reason so they would be blessed and receive all He wanted to give them.
So was it the world, flesh and devil or did God, as you phrase it, "zap them" with poverty and sickness out of mean anger?
You see what He will cause - hunger, thirst, poverty, sickness - to bring increase in the greatest wealth we have - our trust.
So, like I said, it depends on how you look at it.
The Truth found in the Bible shows us the wealth the Egyptians gave the children were used to build the Wilderness Tabernacle and make the Ark and other items....