We should probably spend more time in prayer asking for understanding

[Wansvic]

I know. I won't try to convince you. You'll figure it out on your own eventually if you love truth.

Those who love truth accept what is written:

"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Cor 2:12-14


"How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost," Jude 18-20

 

[Gardenias]

I know. I won't try to convince you. You'll figure it out on your own eventually if you love truth.

I am Holy Ghost filled and he DOES speak and pray through me.
The gifts are his to use at his will by an humble obedient servant.

Lol so you're the only lover or knower of truth then?
Sound like Saul when he was kicking against the pricks.

Unless YOU were there then you have zero right to say what is real. Don't resist or grieve the Spirit when he approaches you, it will be your loss.

You are RIGHT you cannot tell me anything about spiritual happenings in a real world bc you deny the HG is still here and active.

 

[Gideon300]

I've read that At Azuza Street, they would start their services with PRAYER.. not A prayer...PRAYER. They would simply pray until God moved.

When on a trip with a pastor, he said to me "Wouldn't it be great if Revival started with our trip?". I said "Starting a revival is easy. All we have to do is park somewhere and start praying. Revival is a function of prayer, Not of having a location, printing banners, passing out paphlets and having a sound system." Then I asked if he was ready for the middle and END of the revival. That last part kind of blew his mind, until I explained why revivals end (and it's not because they're all false).

God said His house is a house of PRAYER... not singing, preaching, etc. There's a reason for that, and a 'reason' churches don't do it like they should. Not a real reason they don't, but I don't know what word to use.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Sounds good but it's wrong. The reasons why revivals fail is because there is a great lack of teaching. There was error in the Welsh revival and the Azusa Street revival was worse. 100,000 people came to Christ in the Welsh revival. Spending day after day in prayer and singing does not provide the teaching that establishes people in Christ.

Read the book of Acts again. 2:42 "They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer."

A chair has four legs for a reason. It provides stability. God's house is no longer a physical building. It is God's people. Sure, prayer is essential. I won't start my day without it. But it's not the only thing that matters.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I don't accurately remember if I'd read it or if it was the testimony of someone who was there, but it rings true for how a child would pray when they have full confidence in God to answer. And it fits with how God answered me when I'd learned to pray with complete confidence that he would give whatever I asked in faith, believing. He was VERY faithful to his end of that bargain.

But I chuckled when I re-read your desire to hear people cry out for mercy. The ones I read about in Jesus' day who were crying out for mercy were asking for (and receiving) healings. Seems the two go together when Jesus is around.

I still like your realization that prayer is the lacking ingredient. Jesus warned Peter on the night he (Jesus) was arrested "if you don't pray, you'll give in to temptations no matter how much your spirit would rather do well" (greatly paraphrased) Instead of praying, Peter fell asleep because his eyes were heavy. And when temptations came, Peter fled and also denied Jesus thrice. Even repentance (turning away from sin) needs prayer to function properly.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

“But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬[/QUOTE]

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I think also in addition to prayer, time dedicated to studying is also essential, like the Bereans.

“And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I am Holy Ghost filled and he DOES speak and pray through me.
The gifts are his to use at his will by an humble obedient servant.

Lol so you're the only lover or knower of truth then?
Sound like Saul when he was kicking against the pricks.

Unless YOU were there then you have zero right to say what is real. Don't resist or grieve the Spirit when he approaches you, it will be your loss.

You are RIGHT you cannot tell me anything about spiritual happenings in a real world bc you deny the HG is still here and active.

“Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:17

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Onesimus63]

I would say not many -----maybe this is why -----read all if interested ---just posting this part -----

https://www.blueletterbible.org/Com...y-is-the-subject-of-holy-spirit-neglected.cfm

Summary –
Why Is the Subject of the Holy Spirit Neglected?
Unfortunately, the subject of the Holy Spirit has been neglected by Bible-believing Christians. There are a number of reasons for this. We can make the following observations.

For one thing, other teachings have been perceived to be more important than the doctrine of the Holy Spirit. God the Father and Jesus Christ have been assumed to be more crucial for understanding Christian theology. Therefore, we do not study about the Holy Spirit with the same intensity.

Indeed God the Father and God the Son are often linked together in Scripture without any mention of the Holy Spirit. This is a further reason for the neglect of the study of the Spirit of God.

There has been a general neglect from the pulpit, which, in turn, has caused neglect by the people. Christians also tend to major on the minors spending more time on non-essentials than on this doctrine.

Add to this, there is also the fear of being classed as a fanatic. Since there is often much sensationalism concerning the person and work of the Holy Spirit from some segments of Christianity, others neglect to study about Him for fear of being linked with these people.

In addition, the Holy Spirit works inwardly and invisibly, which also makes Him harder to identify with than the Father figure of God or the historical person of Jesus. His mission is to speak of others rather than Himself.

Finally, there is the fact that believers do not have a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit as we do with God the Father and God the Son. His ministry is to testify of Jesus – never Himself.

Each of these factors has lead to a general neglect of the subject

That's a very good analysis. I have heard it stated more than once:

'Some believe in a trinity of Father, Son and the Bible'

 

[studentoftheword]

That's a very good analysis. I have heard it stated more than once:

'Some believe in a trinity of Father, Son and the Bible'[/QUOTE]

And that's the real truth ----------you have hit the nail on the head --I think ------

 

[ResidentAlien]

Lol so you're the only lover or knower of truth then?

No. I'm absolutely not the only lover and knower of truth; there are many others. But for whatever reason there are still many who prefer myths over truth, and probably always will be.