We the new chosen people, are Jews no longer chosen people?

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iamsoandso

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The Jews didn't obey Jubilee for 490 years consecutively ...70 prophetic Weeks is 490.
lol, so face the punishment under the gentiles under Babylon then Persia and Greece but when it comes to the fourth beast Rome you "Revolt"? Maybe they should have obeyed God and submitted like the Apostles said instead of revolting and then the times of the gentiles would have been full over them. Revolt,,,seven times more follows...
 

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8 You don't rule with a literal Rod of Iron ...You used The Word of GOD
9 If JESUS would have taken satan's offer to rule the planet ...JESUS would have failed ...so why are you trying to say JESUS will be a beast King in the future?

and i was being sarcastic about being wrong. 490 is obviously from 490 years.
 
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8 You don't rule with a literal Rod of Iron ...You used The Word of GOD
9 If JESUS would have taken satan's offer to rule the planet ...JESUS would have failed ...so why are you trying to say JESUS will be a beast King in the future?
I am not, I am saying Jesus defeats the Beast King in the Future!
 
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10 Premills are saying The Reborn Image of The Last Adam didn't happen yet. It is how we enter into The Kingdom right now. That means they are saying JESUS didn't Raise from the dead to Create It!

John 3:5-6
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
 
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10 Premills are saying The Reborn Image of The Last Adam didn't happen yet. It is how we enter into The Kingdom right now. That means they are saying JESUS didn't Raise from the dead to Create It!

John 3:5-6
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
At the Resurrection, we will be exactly in the Image of the Reborn. right now, we are Vessels of the first Adam filled with the Holy Spirit and Saved through Grace.
 
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At the Resurrection, we will be exactly in the Image of the Reborn. right now, we are Vessels of the first Adam filled with the Holy Spirit and Saved through Grace.
The Last Adam had Pure Blood to Fix our Reborn Image.


1 Corinthians 15:20-24
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.


Romans 6:3-7
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Read 1 Corinthians 15:44-49 again. i think it is saying JESUS is the Last Adam ...in us. "The first man Adam" might be you.
  • 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
  • 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
  • 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
  • 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
  • 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
  • 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
 
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The Last Adam had Pure Blood to Fix our Reborn Image.


1 Corinthians 15:20-24
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.


Romans 6:3-7
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Read 1 Corinthians 15:44-49 again. i think it is saying JESUS is the Last Adam ...in us. "The first man Adam" might be you.
  • 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
  • 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
  • 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
  • 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
  • 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
  • 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
But that BLOOD only COVERS us, it does not flow inside of us.
 

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Well the start of this thread went out the window. You know if you have done it to the least of these my brethren you have done it unto me. So.. maybe think about what we say when we know only GOD sees the heart. I do see pride here. So lets leave some of this stuff that only a GOD can do with Him. For me one post just aweful.. something I would never ever say to a believer. .. yet not even a blink here. Not my kid were talking to. Funny how we think we can say what ever we want to His kids huh. If you have kids.. oh we never ever let them talk to each other as some believers do.

So as for Jews. He once shows me this tiny tree oh had so many branches.. see I had asked a question about "tell me you love me just as much as you do this Jewish person" I was watching these videos of Jewish people that got saved and found Christ and then at times say about Christians "they have MY God".. oh that really started to get to me. So I just asked Him to say He loves me just as much. Fully awake I see this hand come down with this oh so beautiful tiny tree.. never in my life seen a tree with so many branches. I had pictured me sitting and a jewish person sitting next to me. He put this tiny tree between us and then said this "show me a branch that was not originally of the vine. I am the vine you are the branches". We are as Issac was the Children of promise. Right now in this age the only way to the Father for anyone on this globe is through Jesus. Yet most are blind and if blind have no sin. Some say they see their sin remains. He died for the sin of this world. Sin in this world has no hold on me yet in this fallen world there are rules and if I sin there is in this world a price for that sin and its death. We see it every day.. everything is dying. We have promises in Gods word.

Yes some say 1st John was talking to people that believed they don't sin.. don't have sin so John was trying to explain it to them. Now it would be foolish for me to forget other scholars do not follow this belief. So talk to His kids as if you were talking to Him..and remember its no how others do things.. its are we walking in the fruits of the spirit and 1st Cor 13..some times we need to bend...listen try to see it through that persons eyes not speak as if WE have the REAL truth.. Its Him.. its all Christ.. He is the real truth..not me
When God looks at man he looks at the heart. The only difference God sees in gentile and Jews, is that God sees a race he created for his purposes, God thanks them for being of use for the rest of us. Otherwise, God does not look at our parentage, but sees our hearts as belonging to him or the world.
 
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Do you see the significance of being: "but are now the people of God"???

OT
Exo 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

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1Pe 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

If physical Israel was a Kingdom of Priests and then The Body of CHRIST had a royal priesthood ...why are we assuming the priests of Revelation 20 are in the future?

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 
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If physical Israel was a Kingdom of Priests and then The Body of CHRIST had a royal priesthood ...why are we assuming the priests of Revelation 20 are in the future?

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Reign [[WITH HIM]].

First of all, they begin Around [[HIS THRONE]] in Verse 4 and next they reign [[WITH HIM]].


So i ask, when have the BEHEADED ever been around the HEAVENLY THRONE?
NEVER
So, how can they Reign until they are around the HEAVENLY THRONE?

This is FUTURE!
 
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Front to Back, the entire Holy Word of God is 100% Inspired by the Holy Spirit.

But JOE thinks he can select a Verse here and there and change the meaning and God will honor it.

God has NEVER HONORED LIES and never will!
 
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In the scriptures it's written in Amos 3: 1 Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, 2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

There are unconditional promises God will keep to the Jews. The Jews lost the deed to the land for a time, but not the title.

Gen 14 The Lord said to Abram after Lot had parted from him, “Look around from where you are, to the north and south, to the east and west. 15 All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring[a] forever. 16 I will make your offspring like the dust of the earth, so that if anyone could count the dust, then your offspring could be counted. 17 Go, walk through the length and breadth of the land, for I am giving it to you.”

Gen 15 4 Then the word of the Lord came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir.” 5 He took him outside and said, “Look up at the sky and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring[d] be.”

7 He also said to him, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to take possession of it.”
8 But Abram said, “Sovereign Lord, how can I know that I will gain possession of it?”
9 So the Lord said to him, “Bring me a heifer, a goat and a ram, each three years old, along with a dove and a young pigeon.”
10 Abram brought all these to him, cut them in two and arranged the halves opposite each other; the birds, however, he did not cut in half. 11 Then birds of prey came down on the carcasses, but Abram drove them away.
12 As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him. 13 Then the Lord said to him, “Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there. 14 But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. 15 You, however, will go to your ancestors in peace and be buried at a good old age. 16 In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.”
17 When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. 18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram

The promise is then sealed in a solemn covenantal ceremony in which the Lord himself—not Abraham—passes through sacrificed animals, binding himself to his promise.


God promises that if Israel can keep his covenant, then they will be his special people (Exodus 19:5-6). Yet even if they should disobey, and receive the full brunt of the curses, God will not break his covenant; over and over in the Torah he always extends to Israel the offer for them to return:
…I will not reject them, nor will I so abhor them as to destroy them, breaking My covenant with them; for I am the LORD their God. But I will remember for them the covenant with their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God. I am the LORD. (Leviticus 26:44-45)
Deut. 30
Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the Lord your God will gather you and bring you back. 5 He will bring you to the land that belonged to your ancestors, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your ancestors. 6 The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.


Jeremiah continues that promise that even though the Jews have strayed, again, God will keep his everlasting promises to the Jews.

"But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days…I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people…for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." (Jeremiah 31:31-34)
 

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They are like me ...i grew up going to Church every Sunday ...but i was still a dead spirit. They are not going be Elected unless GOD sees in the future that they physically die as His Child ...so the goal is to get them on that path.
brother it isn’t you who gets to decide consider this teaching of Jesus to someone who looked at sinners as if they weren’t allowed to come to jesus

“And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.

There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both.

Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most.

And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged. And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.

Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.

Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:37-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

who would ever argue with jesus of he wants to save a sinner and rebuke a “righteous” man ? She loved jesus , he didn’t she was a known sinner of many sins he was a known oharisee who would strain out a gnat to keep a detail of the law . But she knew who jesus was he didn’t

you don’t want to look at other peoples sins and try to determine thier salvation only Jesus has that right and role if he chooses to save a great sinner he will and who’s going to argue with him ?

do you recognize there that the woman was a sinner but she loves Jesus dearly ?

we need tomlewrn from Jesus and the gospel brother all those scriptures about not judging are meant to make us learn and become more like Jesus who as you see there saves a sinner before he saves a person believing themselves righteous

the oharisee was sitting with the lord of the universe and didn’t offer the customs of the time no oil for his head no washing of his feet no holy kiss but he was a strict keeper of the works of the law of sin she was a well known sinner but she recognized her lord and redeemer and came in repentance and love to him knowing who it was who could save her

brother it’s good to speak that sin is poison and we need to repent but you can’t cut out the part that Jesus is our propitiation when we have sinned and will forgive us through repentance. If you do that your preaching another form of Moses law that doesn’t remit sin that’s not what the gospel is

you have to let Jesus do the judging because that’s what he said and that’s who we are all going to face in the end his judgements that teach us not to judge and condemn other sinners because he didn’t condemn us

what if the guy on the cross ? He did. I thing but recognize Jesus and believe the gospel he’s been preaching of the kingdom confessed his sin and loved Jesus he was with him the same day in paradise regardless of all the people saying “ that guy can’t be saved he’s not a sinless person “ ……..he believed in Jesus the messiah and savior of the world and was saved

Jesus will deal with our sins if we learn from him he can lead us right out of bondage but we have to follow his ways not the old ways and not our own ways it has to be the ways of the kingdom including not judging others and never forgetting that he forgave all our sins and didn’t disqualify us , why would he anyone else who believes and follows after him ?

our judgement isn’t “ have your sinned and how much ?” We all have and are all guilty by that standard would all be lost

the standard is who will repent and believe the gospel and follow
After where he leads us through the gospel ot will never fail to cut away the sinfulness in our heart and impart true righteousness

but our eyes have to be on him not on other peoples sins that we really kind of are imagining because we haven’t met them just found they didn’t agree with us on a website …
 
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brother it isn’t you who gets to decide consider this teaching of Jesus to someone who looked at sinners as if they weren’t allowed to come to jesus

“And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.

There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both.

Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most.

And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged. And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.

Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.

Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:37-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

who would ever argue with jesus of he wants to save a sinner and rebuke a “righteous” man ? She loved jesus , he didn’t she was a known sinner of many sins he was a known oharisee who would strain out a gnat to keep a detail of the law . But she knew who jesus was he didn’t

you don’t want to look at other peoples sins and try to determine thier salvation only Jesus has that right and role if he chooses to save a great sinner he will and who’s going to argue with him ?

do you recognize there that the woman was a sinner but she loves Jesus dearly ?

we need tomlewrn from Jesus and the gospel brother all those scriptures about not judging are meant to make us learn and become more like Jesus who as you see there saves a sinner before he saves a person believing themselves righteous

the oharisee was sitting with the lord of the universe and didn’t offer the customs of the time no oil for his head no washing of his feet no holy kiss but he was a strict keeper of the works of the law of sin she was a well known sinner but she recognized her lord and redeemer and came in repentance and love to him knowing who it was who could save her

brother it’s good to speak that sin is poison and we need to repent but you can’t cut out the part that Jesus is our propitiation when we have sinned and will forgive us through repentance. If you do that your preaching another form of Moses law that doesn’t remit sin that’s not what the gospel is

you have to let Jesus do the judging because that’s what he said and that’s who we are all going to face in the end his judgements that teach us not to judge and condemn other sinners because he didn’t condemn us

what if the guy on the cross ? He did. I thing but recognize Jesus and believe the gospel he’s been preaching of the kingdom confessed his sin and loved Jesus he was with him the same day in paradise regardless of all the people saying “ that guy can’t be saved he’s not a sinless person “ ……..he believed in Jesus the messiah and savior of the world and was saved

Jesus will deal with our sins if we learn from him he can lead us right out of bondage but we have to follow his ways not the old ways and not our own ways it has to be the ways of the kingdom including not judging others and never forgetting that he forgave all our sins and didn’t disqualify us , why would he anyone else who believes and follows after him ?

our judgement isn’t “ have your sinned and how much ?” We all have and are all guilty by that standard would all be lost

the standard is who will repent and believe the gospel and follow
After where he leads us through the gospel ot will never fail to cut away the sinfulness in our heart and impart true righteousness

but our eyes have to be on him not on other peoples sins that we really kind of are imagining because we haven’t met them just found they didn’t agree with us on a website …
You want to pretend that these dead spirits are already on the path to growth ...they are not.

It's like saying a kid in punk band is going to be a doctor some day ...it could happen ...but it's a longshot.

What do i need to forgive them for? They didn't do anything to me. Shining Light on their darkness is what we are called to do.

Do you think these people know JESUS? They know about Him ...they don't try to follow Him.

You want to give the guy on the cross next to JESUS as an excuse? That was obviously a special case where he didn't have time or ability to do anything other than what he did.

You want to get on my case for shining light on these clowns, they don't care about anything. They are just here to find reasons to sin.
 

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You want to pretend that these dead spirits are already on the path to growth ...they are not.

It's like saying a kid in punk band is going to be a doctor some day ...it could happen ...but it's a longshot.

What do i need to forgive them for? They didn't do anything to me. Shining Light on their darkness is what we are called to do.

Do you think these people know JESUS? They know about Him ...they don't try to follow Him.

You want to give the guy on the cross next to JESUS as an excuse? The was obviously a special case where he didn't have time or ability to do anything other than what he did.

You want to get on my case for shining like on these clowns, they don't care about anything. They are just here to find reasons to sin.

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-13‬ ‭

you seem to have exalted yourself to some form of judge I’ve never known you to say such things brother I must say I’m surprised.

when you have finished your race here there’s one doctrine you have to answer to one man one name one word

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when you go there Jesus is going to judge you based on his words the ones I’ve been sharing with you regarding “ if you forgive you will be forgiven , jidge not lest ye be judged , condemn not lest ye be condemned ect be merciful be a reconciler understand your not at all any better than anyone who puts thoer trust in Jesus even if thier ealk began yesterday and they get drunk tomorrow or will never be your place to determine whether they belong to Jesus

I hate being at odds with a brother I love and respect as I do you but there is a spirit in your judgemental words in this thread that is at odds with the gospel

that’s not an insult of accusation but a brother who will be praying for you to repent of this course you are currently on I’d hate to see you get pulled into a works based thing it’s always gonna fail if it’s about us and the other guy and how we are righteous or not no one is but Jesus he can heal sinners but first they have to come and believe in him as they are not pretending they are perfect and others aren’t

I hope this doesn’t offend you I’m just sharing my heart with ya like I always have done