We the new chosen people, are Jews no longer chosen people?

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pittsburghjoe

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Heaven_Bound said:
It's no different than Jesus saying the Temple would be destroyed. It's Prophecy being fulfilled, not Judgement.
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That Eastern Gate opening was a big deal.

https://www.gotquestions.org/eastern-gate-Jerusalem.html


This doesn't sound like Judgment to you?

Luke 19:43-44
For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
 
iamsoandso

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The 69 years in Wars 2 are your demise in that they show that the Jews never worshiped Romes image,bowed to it's Caesar nor did they buy and sell with it's mark(minted their own coins) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish_Revolt_coinage and why is that important when you consider Revelation 13?
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That is those who are destroyed at the Lords coming are those who did receive it's mark and worshiped it's image,,,but wait the Jews didn't instead they revolted(first Jewish Revolt) and went to their deaths defending the Temple/Jerusalem of God and to keep the Caesars from erecting their images in it.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
That Eastern Gate opening was a big deal.

https://www.gotquestions.org/eastern-gate-Jerusalem.html


This doesn't sound like Judgment to you?

Luke 19:43-44
For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
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But it is not Judgement, it is prophecy fulfilled all related to the Temple/Daily Sacrifice.
 
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And Nero did not conquer the known the World. So where is the mass beheading for refusing the Mark.

Instead, we see Jews using Trade Routes throughout Europe, where Nero did not conquer the World to ESCAPE.

If Nero was Antichrist/Beast, the ENTIRE KNOWN WORLD WOULD HAVE TO ACCEPT/DENY THE IMAGE AND NERO COMMITTED SUICIDE LIKE THE PANSY WUSS HE REALLY WAS!!
 
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Exo 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.


1Pe 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

If physical Israel was a Kingdom of Priests and then The Body of CHRIST had a royal priesthood ...why are we assuming the priests of Revelation 20 are in the future?

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Exo 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.


1Pe 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

If physical Israel was a Kingdom of Priests and then The Body of CHRIST had a royal priesthood ...why are we assuming the priests of Revelation 20 are in the future?

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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PHYSICAL ISRAEL DOES A HAVE PRIEST LIKE WE HAVE A HIGH PRIEST. THEY JUST HAVEN'T ACCEPTED HIM YET, [[[BUT]]] HE [IS] THEIR HIGH PRIEST!
 
pittsburghjoe

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Heaven_Bound said:
PHYSICAL ISRAEL DOES A HAVE PRIEST LIKE WE HAVE A HIGH PRIEST. THEY JUST HAVEN'T ACCEPTED HIM YET, [[[BUT]]] HE [IS] THEIR HIGH PRIEST!
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lol, no, GOD doesn't allow that. He made the rules and appointed them.
 
iamsoandso

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pittsburghjoe said:
Do you think it matters when Revelation was written? It doesn't bother me as an Amill at all if it was after 70 A.D. ...70 A.D. still happened no matter what. The final Judgment of authentic Jews.
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Sure it matters you see if all of Revelation is fulfilled by ad70 then in Revelation 17 the other head(7th),the 8th(one in the pit) and the ten kings(who had not received their kingdoms yet) would all need to be present by ad70. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 17&version=KJV now if not and it was written after ad70 then everything you say is in error. So it does make an difference when the Revelation was given.
 
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Sure it matters you see if all of Revelation is fulfilled by ad70 then in Revelation 17 the other head(7th),the 8th(one in the pit) and the ten kings(who had not received their kingdoms yet) would all need to be present by ad70. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 17&version=KJV now if not and it was written after ad70 then everything you say is in error. So it does make an difference when the Revelation was given.
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It matters to a Preterist ...not me. i don't care if It was written after the stuff happened.
 
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lol, no, GOD doesn't allow that. He made the rules and appointed them.
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Jesus died for the Jew like He died for the Gentile.

What do YOU MEAN He is not the High Priest?

He is Melchizedek, the High Priest of EVERYONE even before they are Saved.
 
pittsburghjoe

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Jesus died for the Jew like He died for the Gentile.

What do YOU MEAN He is not the High Priest?

He is Melchizedek, the High Priest of EVERYONE even before they are Saved.
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Yes, JESUS is the High Priest of everyone ...not just pretend Jews. Sorry, i though you originally were saying they were assigning some guy to be one.
 
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It matters to a Preterist ...not me. i don't care if It was written after the stuff happened.
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So you think the angel in Rev. 17 is telling a lie when he said five were, one is and the ones I listed had not yet come?
 
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So you think the angel in Rev. 17 is telling a lie when he said five were, one is and the ones I listed had not yet come?
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AMEN!

If Nero = Judgement/Beast, why is the Angel telling us nope, he can't be because the REAL ONE is COMING [[AFTERWARDS]]
 
pittsburghjoe

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Heaven_Bound said:
PHYSICAL ISRAEL DOES A HAVE PRIEST LIKE WE HAVE A HIGH PRIEST. THEY JUST HAVEN'T ACCEPTED HIM YET, [[[BUT]]] HE [IS] THEIR HIGH PRIEST!
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The post didn't have anything to do with The High Priest ...you have to deal with this ...it ruins your view.
pittsburghjoe said:
Exo 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.


1Pe 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

If physical Israel was a Kingdom of Priests and then The Body of CHRIST had a royal priesthood ...why are we assuming the priests of Revelation 20 are in the future?

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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The post didn't have anything to do with The High Priest ...you have to deal with this ...it ruins your view.
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And you missed the meaning of my Post.
If the Jews accepted Christ, they would be a Nation still with a High Priest.
But they currently are a Nation with a High Priest, they just have not realized it was and is Jesus.
 
ewq1938

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Heaven_Bound said:
AMEN!

If Nero = Judgement/Beast, why is the Angel telling us nope, he can't be because the REAL ONE is COMING [[AFTERWARDS]]
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The errors of Partial preterism and Amillennialism are shown here. Nice job both of you.
 
pittsburghjoe

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And you missed the meaning of my Post.
If the Jews accepted Christ, they would be a Nation still with a High Priest.
But they currently are a Nation with a High Priest, they just have not realized it was and is Jesus.
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i know you don't like to read ...but look at Rev 20, it is the core of Premills

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 
iamsoandso

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Heaven_Bound said:
AMEN!

If Nero = Judgement/Beast, why is the Angel telling us nope, he can't be because the REAL ONE is COMING [[AFTERWARDS]]
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Not only that but If Nero was that very head of the beast expected to enforce the mark and his worship then why did the Apostle Paul suggest that they were to see him as "ordained by God" to be subject to and to pay tithes to(money/buy and sell) in Romans 13 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 13&version=KJV ,,,,,,,think about it, if Nero's the beast,honor him and go ahead and buy and sell with his money? This is paramount to Paul saying it's fine to receive the mark and worship his image...
 
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iamsoandso said:
Not only that but If Nero was that very head of the beast expected to enforce the mark and his worship then why did the Apostle Paul suggest that they were to see him as "ordained by God" to be subject to and to pay tithes to(money/buy and sell) in Romans 13 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 13&version=KJV ,,,,,,,think about it, if Nero's the beast,honor him and go ahead and buy and sell with his money? This is paramount to Paul saying it's fine to receive the mark and worship his image...
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They needed to do this because they wanted to distance the RCC from any relation to the antichrist/beast system so placing the Great Tribulation and antichrist far in the past helped them.
 
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