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MattforJesus

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#21
It is all about Israel, and Israel is the Church contrary to what some people think.

When a Gentile is saved they are a Jew inward, and part of the commonwealth of Israel.

Israel is always to have the kingdom on earth, but do not because of their rejection of Christ, and the disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom to Israel at that time, and He said do not worry about it, but go preach the Gospel.

The Bible says any time Israel cries out to God in the truth even in the latter times He will hear from heaven and bless them, and work with them again.

The Bible says the LORD does not change, therefore the sons of Jacob are not consumed.

God said He will make a full end of the Gentile nations, but will not make a full end of Israel, but not leave them wholly unpunished.

Israel is blinded in part, they accept the Old Testament for the majority, but they must accept the truth as a nation, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles when they follow the beast and take the mark, and so all Israel shall be saved, kingdom on earth restored to them.

God said He is going to gather the whole house of Jacob, all 12 tribes, and bring them back to their land, and leave none of them in the nations anymore, and they will know the LORD their God from that time forward, and He will never hide His face from them again.

70 weeks is determined upon Israel to make an end of sins, and anoint the most holy, acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah, 69 weeks have passed.

The last week, 70th week, is 7 years that God is going to give the world their way, and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom, which He said He is going to gather all nations together to go against Jerusalem, the Jews, and then He will go forth and fight those nations as He fought for Israel in the Old Testament.

During the first three and one half years salvation is still available to the world, and the last three and one half years they make war against all people that oppose their kingdom, and God turns Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah, the world goes against Israel, Jesus comes back with the saints and saves Israel, and defeats the world.

The man of sin, New Age Christ, will establish peace in the Middle East, and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel, and the Jews and Gentiles will be separated, except the Palestinians in Israel, and the Jews will not be in the nations anymore, which is what the New Age Christ wants, but God means it for good.

Peace in the Middle East is the hindrance to the nations coming together, and when there is peace the nations will come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth.

Then the 7 years period will begin, which is future.

Israel was supposed to show the world the truth, but they did show the world the truth, for it started with the Jews, and branched out.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

God always has Jews in the truth, and some were in the truth, the same as today.

Will God give up on the Gentiles because some do not follow God, nor will He give up on Israel when some do not follow Him.

But it is demanded of the Jews that Israel as a nation turn to Jesus, which God will see to it in the future.
 

markboyce

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As for the current political Israel / Palestine situation... The Palestinians are not interested in sharing and living in peace with the Jews of Israel.. So any concessions by the Jews in Israel will not bring peace..
It is clear you are not loking at this objectivly. The public has a right to know the other side too. If your child was murdered, what would you do & I am asking you Adstar!!

Israel 'killed 25 Palestinian children' in three months
Twenty-five Palestinian children were killed in the last three months of 2015 during a wave of anti-Israeli attacks and the number detained was the highest in seven years, according to the UNICEF.
https://tinyurl.com/y92tvluh

2016 'deadliest year' for West Bank children in decade
Israeli forces killed 32 Palestinian children
in the West Bank in 2016, the highest number in 10 years.

The organisation's chapter in the occupied Palestinian territories recorded the killings of 32 Palestinian children (under 18), making 2016 "the deadliest year of the past decade" for them, the group said in a recent report.
https://tinyurl.com/y85ctr7v

12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD
in front of your eyes
Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html
Gaza girl said killed
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl
who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

An 11-year-old Palestinian girl was shot in the stomach and critically wounded by Israel Defense Forces gunfire. IDF troops fired two shots, one of the shots hit a fifth-grade student at the school. Last month, a 10-year-old girl was killed by IDF gunfire while sitting at her desk at the same school.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/487788.html

September 2004 At 07:45 10-year old Raghda Adnan Al-Assar was struck in the head by Israeli fire while sitting at her desk in UNRWA's Elementary

Girl's School On June 1 this year two ten-year old children in UNRWA's
12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old schoolchildren were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.
Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room. (this was an assassination of specific children by the IDF)
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

Boy of 17, shot by Israeli soldiers, left bleeding overnight to die
September 8, 2003
The bullet ridden corpse of Mohammad Abdullah Abu al-Husni, was found yesterday
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/updates/left_to_die.htm

Haneen, who was eight years old, had been shot twice in the head by an Israeli soldier as she walked down the street. She was coming down the street and ran to me and hugged me, crying,
'Mother, mother'. Two bullets hit her in the head, one straight after the other.
She was still in my arms and she died."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1007051,00.html

This boy was in his own house and an IDF soldier barges into the house and shoots him dead Mohammed a 7-year-old boy fell dead, still clutching his piece of bread.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1112055,00.html

Israel Baby is born then dies
Birth and death at the checkpoint
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/338937.html

Three shot in the back by Israeli snipers, one a 15-year-old boy
15 year old boy who was shot while standing in front of his house.
The sniper bulet hit Amjad in the back. He died on his way to the hospital. The second is Amer Kathym Arafat who was also shot in the back by a sniper bullet. The third is Rouhi Hazem Shouman, 25, who was also shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head
while buying candy with her friends.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

15 year old boy & Amer Kathym & Rouhi Hazem Shouman all shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

IDF shoots 13-year-old girl in the back with 20 bullets and then the IDF commander goes over to the girl and shoots her again to make sure she was dead

If your child was murdered, what would you do & I am asking you Adstar!!
 

Dino246

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#23
It is clear you are not loking at this objectivly. The public has a right to know the other side too. If your child was murdered, what would you do & I am asking you Adstar!!

Israel 'killed 25 Palestinian children' in three months
Twenty-five Palestinian children were killed in the last three months of 2015 during a wave of anti-Israeli attacks and the number detained was the highest in seven years, according to the UNICEF.
https://tinyurl.com/y92tvluh

2016 'deadliest year' for West Bank children in decade
Israeli forces killed 32 Palestinian children
in the West Bank in 2016, the highest number in 10 years.

The organisation's chapter in the occupied Palestinian territories recorded the killings of 32 Palestinian children (under 18), making 2016 "the deadliest year of the past decade" for them, the group said in a recent report.
https://tinyurl.com/y85ctr7v

12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html
Gaza girl said killed
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl
who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

An 11-year-old Palestinian girl was shot in the stomach and critically wounded by Israel Defense Forces gunfire. IDF troops fired two shots, one of the shots hit a fifth-grade student at the school. Last month, a 10-year-old girl was killed by IDF gunfire while sitting at her desk at the same school.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/487788.html

September 2004 At 07:45 10-year old Raghda Adnan Al-Assar was struck in the head by Israeli fire while sitting at her desk in UNRWA's Elementary

Girl's School On June 1 this year two ten-year old children in UNRWA's
12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old schoolchildren were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.
Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room. (this was an assassination of specific children by the IDF)
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

Boy of 17, shot by Israeli soldiers, left bleeding overnight to die
September 8, 2003
The bullet ridden corpse of Mohammad Abdullah Abu al-Husni, was found yesterday
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/updates/left_to_die.htm

Haneen, who was eight years old, had been shot twice in the head by an Israeli soldier as she walked down the street. She was coming down the street and ran to me and hugged me, crying,
'Mother, mother'. Two bullets hit her in the head, one straight after the other.
She was still in my arms and she died."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1007051,00.html

This boy was in his own house and an IDF soldier barges into the house and shoots him dead Mohammed a 7-year-old boy fell dead, still clutching his piece of bread.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1112055,00.html

Israel Baby is born then dies
Birth and death at the checkpoint
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/338937.html

Three shot in the back by Israeli snipers, one a 15-year-old boy
15 year old boy who was shot while standing in front of his house.
The sniper bulet hit Amjad in the back. He died on his way to the hospital. The second is Amer Kathym Arafat who was also shot in the back by a sniper bullet. The third is Rouhi Hazem Shouman, 25, who was also shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head
while buying candy with her friends.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

15 year old boy & Amer Kathym & Rouhi Hazem Shouman all shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

IDF shoots 13-year-old girl in the back with 20 bullets and then the IDF commander goes over to the girl and shoots her again to make sure she was dead

If your child was murdered, what would you do & I am asking you Adstar!!
How many Israeli children have been killed by rockets, bombs and bullets "generously donated" by the Palestinians?

Your news reports are one-sided, and as such are essentially propaganda.
 

Nehemiah6

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#24
Israel was chosen because there was nothing remarkable about them.
Indeed Israel was chosen because of God's covenant with Abraham, which would included Isaac, Jacob/Israel, and the 12 tribes of Israel descended from the 12 sons of Jacob/Israel. But all their blessings were conditional upon obedience to God. And eventually Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah, to be born in Bethlehem.

MICAH 5
1 Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek.

2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.

4 And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.
 

Nehemiah6

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Jul 18, 2017
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#25
It is clear you are not loking at this objectivly. The public has a right to know the other side too. If your child was murdered...
If you have a beef it should be with the evil leaders of Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah, who have fattened Hamas and Hezbollah for DECADES in order to harass and attack Israel DAILY. Do you think you can go after those Iranian demons?

The Muslim world (Sunni & Shia) has vowed to obliterate Israel from the face of the earth, and it is only by God's grace that Israel has not only survived, but thrived in spite of the bitter hatred against the Jews. And all of Europe and the UN sides with the Palestinians against Israel and attacks Israel at every opportunity.
 

Deade

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#26
What if I was to tell you that Israel, today, is fully a Christian people. God is addressing these people in Amos: They are in serious trouble.

Amos 4:1 Hear this word, ye kine of Bashan, that are in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink.
Amos 4:12 Therefore thus will I do unto thee, O Israel: and because I will do this unto thee, prepare to meet thy God, O Israel.


Amo 6:1 Woe to them that are at ease in Zion, and trust in the mountain of Samaria, which are named chief of the nations, to whom the house of Israel came!
Amo 6:4 That lie upon beds of ivory, and stretch themselves upon their couches, and eat the lambs out of the flock, and the calves out of the midst of the stall;
Amo 6:5 That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David;
Amo 6:6 That drink wine in bowls, and anoint themselves with the chief ointments: but they are not grieved for the affliction of Joseph (ie: their own affliction Joseph = Israel). :)
 

pottersclay

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Aug 13, 2015
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#27
It is all about Israel, and Israel is the Church contrary to what some people think.

When a Gentile is saved they are a Jew inward, and part of the commonwealth of Israel.

Israel is always to have the kingdom on earth, but do not because of their rejection of Christ, and the disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom to Israel at that time, and He said do not worry about it, but go preach the Gospel.

The Bible says any time Israel cries out to God in the truth even in the latter times He will hear from heaven and bless them, and work with them again.

The Bible says the LORD does not change, therefore the sons of Jacob are not consumed.

God said He will make a full end of the Gentile nations, but will not make a full end of Israel, but not leave them wholly unpunished.

Israel is blinded in part, they accept the Old Testament for the majority, but they must accept the truth as a nation, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles when they follow the beast and take the mark, and so all Israel shall be saved, kingdom on earth restored to them.

God said He is going to gather the whole house of Jacob, all 12 tribes, and bring them back to their land, and leave none of them in the nations anymore, and they will know the LORD their God from that time forward, and He will never hide His face from them again.

70 weeks is determined upon Israel to make an end of sins, and anoint the most holy, acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah, 69 weeks have passed.

The last week, 70th week, is 7 years that God is going to give the world their way, and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom, which He said He is going to gather all nations together to go against Jerusalem, the Jews, and then He will go forth and fight those nations as He fought for Israel in the Old Testament.

During the first three and one half years salvation is still available to the world, and the last three and one half years they make war against all people that oppose their kingdom, and God turns Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah, the world goes against Israel, Jesus comes back with the saints and saves Israel, and defeats the world.

The man of sin, New Age Christ, will establish peace in the Middle East, and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel, and the Jews and Gentiles will be separated, except the Palestinians in Israel, and the Jews will not be in the nations anymore, which is what the New Age Christ wants, but God means it for good.

Peace in the Middle East is the hindrance to the nations coming together, and when there is peace the nations will come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth.

Then the 7 years period will begin, which is future.

Israel was supposed to show the world the truth, but they did show the world the truth, for it started with the Jews, and branched out.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

God always has Jews in the truth, and some were in the truth, the same as today.

Will God give up on the Gentiles because some do not follow God, nor will He give up on Israel when some do not follow Him.

But it is demanded of the Jews that Israel as a nation turn to Jesus, which God will see to it in the future.
Israel is the church,..........don't see it.......the church is made up of new creatures in Christ Jesus.
Now our Christian roots are found in judisim but Israel is not the church.
 

Adstar

Senior Member
Jul 24, 2016
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#28
It is clear you are not loking at this objectivly. The public has a right to know the other side too. If your child was murdered, what would you do & I am asking you Adstar!!

Israel 'killed 25 Palestinian children' in three months
Twenty-five Palestinian children were killed in the last three months of 2015 during a wave of anti-Israeli attacks and the number detained was the highest in seven years, according to the UNICEF.
https://tinyurl.com/y92tvluh

2016 'deadliest year' for West Bank children in decade
Israeli forces killed 32 Palestinian children
in the West Bank in 2016, the highest number in 10 years.

The organisation's chapter in the occupied Palestinian territories recorded the killings of 32 Palestinian children (under 18), making 2016 "the deadliest year of the past decade" for them, the group said in a recent report.
https://tinyurl.com/y85ctr7v

12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html
Gaza girl said killed
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl
who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

An 11-year-old Palestinian girl was shot in the stomach and critically wounded by Israel Defense Forces gunfire. IDF troops fired two shots, one of the shots hit a fifth-grade student at the school. Last month, a 10-year-old girl was killed by IDF gunfire while sitting at her desk at the same school.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/487788.html

September 2004 At 07:45 10-year old Raghda Adnan Al-Assar was struck in the head by Israeli fire while sitting at her desk in UNRWA's Elementary

Girl's School On June 1 this year two ten-year old children in UNRWA's
12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old schoolchildren were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.
Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room. (this was an assassination of specific children by the IDF)
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

Boy of 17, shot by Israeli soldiers, left bleeding overnight to die
September 8, 2003
The bullet ridden corpse of Mohammad Abdullah Abu al-Husni, was found yesterday
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/updates/left_to_die.htm

Haneen, who was eight years old, had been shot twice in the head by an Israeli soldier as she walked down the street. She was coming down the street and ran to me and hugged me, crying,
'Mother, mother'. Two bullets hit her in the head, one straight after the other.
She was still in my arms and she died."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1007051,00.html

This boy was in his own house and an IDF soldier barges into the house and shoots him dead Mohammed a 7-year-old boy fell dead, still clutching his piece of bread.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1112055,00.html

Israel Baby is born then dies
Birth and death at the checkpoint
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/338937.html

Three shot in the back by Israeli snipers, one a 15-year-old boy
15 year old boy who was shot while standing in front of his house.
The sniper bulet hit Amjad in the back. He died on his way to the hospital. The second is Amer Kathym Arafat who was also shot in the back by a sniper bullet. The third is Rouhi Hazem Shouman, 25, who was also shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head
while buying candy with her friends.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

15 year old boy & Amer Kathym & Rouhi Hazem Shouman all shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

IDF shoots 13-year-old girl in the back with 20 bullets and then the IDF commander goes over to the girl and shoots her again to make sure she was dead

If your child was murdered, what would you do & I am asking you Adstar!!
I am looking at things objectively because i know the objective of islam and Palestinians are by a major majority Muslims.. The quran sets out the objective and that is to fight unbelievers until they submit to islam and in the case of Jews and Christians until they pay the jizah tax and live under islamic law.. There is no way a devout muslim will accept living in a society where a Christian or a jew has equal rights.. There is no way a true muslim can live within a society with Christian or Jewish police judges political leaders or any non-muslim holding any position of authority over them.. So the Palestinians must defeat the Jews and make them second class citizens in their country with no equal rights..

What has the murder of ones children got to do with anything? Whether a child is murdered or not does not change the facts i have presented in my opening paragraph.. As a Christian if my child was murdered i would grieve for them as an normal person would and then i would rely 100% on the judgement of the LORD to see to it that justice is done..

Also what ever evil is done in the area of Israel i trust that that justice will be done because i trust in the LORD my God who will see to it that justice is done,, One sides evil does not legitimize the other sides evil.. Anyone who commits evil will be judged for it and all evil is wrong..

My view is very balanced and objective and even handed..
Your view mark boyce is distorted..
 

Enoch987

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Hebrews 5 says of Jesus, tho he was the son, he learned obedience through suffering.
Could it also apply to Israel?
Romans 9-11 tells how Israel was chosen and remains so.
Hosea 6:2 After 2 days he will revive us. On the third day, he will lift us up.
This tells of Jesus' resurrection and the rebirth of Israel if you allow a day equals 1000 years.
Possibly using this verse, Isaac Newton predicted Israel would reform in the 1900s and the Messiah would return in 2060.
Leave the date setting aside, Newton saw Israel as chosen.
Exodus 4:22 God says Israel is my firstborn son.
 

markboyce

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Your news reports are one-sided, and as such are essentially propaganda.
News stories are intended to report the "news"; they are not required to "try" and show two sides of the same story.

Having said that, Dino246; you are welcome to show us/me the "other side".

I am all ears, GO FOR IT!!!!!!
 

markboyce

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There is no way a devout muslim will accept living in a society where a Christian or a jew has equal rights..
If you looked before you spoke you would be saying something entirely different.

Muslim Americans are a diverse and growing population, currently estimated at 3.45 million people of all ages In their educational attainment levels, Muslims closely resemble the general public. About three-in-ten (31%) U.S. Muslims are college graduates, including 11% who have a postgraduate degree. On average, Muslim immigrants are more highly educated than U.S.-born Muslims.

Nearly six-in-ten U.S. Muslims adults (58%) are first-generation Americans, having been born in another country. An additional 18% are second-generation Americans – people who were born in the U.S. and who have at least one parent who was an immigrant. About a quarter (24%) of U.S. Muslims are U.S. natives with U.S.-born parents (i.e., they are from families who have been in the U.S. for three generations or longer), which is the case for nearly three-quarters of U.S. adults overall (73%
http://www.pewforum.org/2017/07/26/demographic-portrait-of-muslim-americans/

There have been NO reports of Muslims trying to pursuade or force other Americans to become Muslims or anything else. The are good citizens and we as Americans are glade to have them.
 

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Nearly six-in-ten U.S. Muslims adults (58%) are first-generation Americans, having been born in another country. An additional 18% are second-generation Americans – people who were born in the U.S. and who have at least one parent who was an immigrant. About a quarter (24%) of U.S. Muslims are U.S. natives with U.S.-born parents (i.e., they are from families who have been in the U.S. for three generations or longer), which is the case for nearly three-quarters of U.S. adults overall (73%
None of these things change the fact that for a Muslim Mohammad and the Quran take precedence over everything else, and that none of them will seriously oppose Radical Islam or Jihad. Jihad is a fundamental teaching of the Quran, and the Quran also teaches Muslims to blatantly lie to infidels if it furthers the cause of Islam.
 

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Exodus 4:22 God says Israel is my firstborn son.
Yes, it is written that God chose them. He later said this--------------

(Ezek 36:17 KJV) Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their ..own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

(Ezek 36:18 KJV) Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it.

(Ezek 36:22 KJV) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

NOTE: They were gathered in 1947ad

(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

Enoch987, From the above it is clear enough, God chose them, gave them commandments to follow and then God saw something He did not like.

Enoch987, I want you to tell me why He changed His mind or what I am not seeing that would change my view of this scripture?
 

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None of these things change the fact that for a Muslim Mohammad and the Quran take precedence over everything else
And your Bible or Tora takes presidence over everything else.

, and that none of them will seriously oppose Radical Islam or Jihad.
If someone told you this then all I can do is suggest you look upo the definition for "gullible" and/or naive"; but I refuse to call you stupid.

Jihad is a fundamental teaching of the Quran,
Jihad means---"literally means striving or struggling, especially with a praiseworthy aim"

and the Quran also teaches Muslims to blatantly lie to infidels if it furthers the cause of Islam.
Ok, now I am being forced to say the follow-----
Either you are knowingly lying or you are unknowingly lying.
Which is it?
 

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How many Israeli children have been killed by rockets, bombs and bullets "generously donated" by the Palestinians?
Oh Wise One, please, I beg you, Tell me in order to set it straight--&*%&^%&^$^$##!!!!!!!!!!
 

markboyce

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How many Israeli children have been killed by rockets, bombs and bullets "generously donated" by the Palestinians?
Dino246, when you accused the Palestinians of using “bombs” I looked back to see how many “bombs” were used. This is what I found.

October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)

December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.

December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.

December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa ; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.

January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons.

January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.

January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.

February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.

March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured.

March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.

March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.

April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.

May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.

May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.

Dino246, I consider a 400 lb. explosive a “bomb”

Now Dino246; show me all the bombs the Palestinians used and how many died as a result--
 

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Ok, now I am being forced to say the follow-----
Either you are knowingly lying or you are unknowingly lying.
Which is it?
It is impossible to "lie unknowingly". You can be wrong or misinformed about factual matters, or simply mistaken, but you cannot lie without conscious intent to deceive.
 

Dino246

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Dino246, when you accused the Palestinians of using “bombs” I looked back to see how many “bombs” were used. This is what I found.

October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)

December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.

December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.

December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa ; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.

January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons.

January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.

January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.

February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.

March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured.

March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.

March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.

April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.

May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.

May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.

Dino246, I consider a 400 lb. explosive a “bomb”

Now Dino246; show me all the bombs the Palestinians used and how many died as a result--
Still one-sided, and doubling down on your propaganda. Try reading the Jerusalem Post, or any of several independent news sources. Try reading a real history of Israel-Palestine since about 1800.
 

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Oh Wise One, please, I beg you, Tell me in order to set it straight--&*%&^%&^$^$##!!!!!!!!!!
Your snark suggests that you have no interest in learning. I don't waste time on newcomers with terrible attitudes.
 

markboyce

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It is impossible to "lie unknowingly". You can be wrong or misinformed about factual matters, or simply mistaken, but you cannot lie without conscious intent to deceive.
Ok, now I am being forced to say the follow-----
Either you are knowingly not telling the truth or you are unknowingly not telling the truth or just mistaken.

Which is it?

Dino246, is that better?