What about Communion?

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Communion is not something we take, it's something we already have. Change my mind.
 

TM19782017

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Here is the 1st definition online:

The sharing or exchanging of intimate thoughts and feelings, especially when the exchange is on a mental or spiritual level.

I always believed it to be the service at church of receiving the bread and wine.

Here is a challenge to you:
Get a dictionary and look up what the definition of a certain word is at times...You MAY think you fully understand it at times but, I surprise myself sometimes. Especially when they list the "archaic" definition"

Many words have the surface definition and then sometimes you must ponder that it could have a deeper spiritual meaning as well.

Think Deep!
 

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Communion is not something we take, it's something we already have. Change my mind.
Are you speaking in terms of the Lord's Supper? 1Cor 10:16
Fellowship with each other? 2Cor 6:14
Or fellowship with God? 2Cor 13:14
 

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Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.

It would seem the Lord left us a token a outward acknowledgement of him to do untill he returns. Now change my mind.😉😉😉
 

Ahwatukee

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Communion is not something we take, it's something we already have. Change my mind.
Greetings djdearing,

Regarding communion, i.e. breaking bread and drinking of the cup, Jesus said, "As often as you do this, do this in remembrance of Me."

It is an honor for every believer to partake of it.
 

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It's also a PROCLAMATION...

For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. (1 Corinthians 11:26 NASB)
 

TM19782017

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Communion is not something we take, it's something we already have. Change my mind.
I often wonder why when communion is received in a church, it involves bread and wine.....Eating and drinking?

We were told to do this in remembrance of Jesus.

Well, when we eat bread, it feels good and satisfying.....And when we drink wine, it lifts our evil worldy spirits up a little.
Now I am not saying that just eating and drinking wine is the way to be filled with the holy spirit but, if we were to take both of those to the extreme, we would no longer be filled with a holy spirit. We would have passed over into the definition of drunk...Drunk is a place where one loses guidance on good and evil and makes very poor choices....We start to think that we are filled with power and lose our way.
 

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I often wonder why when communion is received in a church, it involves bread and wine.....Eating and drinking?
It's because Jesus commanded (instituted) it so...

Mark 14:22-25 NKJV
[22] And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them and said, "Take, eat; this is My body." [23] Then He took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to them, and they all drank from it. [24] And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many. [25] Assuredly, I say to you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God."

1 Corinthians 11:23-26 NKJV
[23] For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; [24] and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me." [25] In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." [26] For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.
 

Blik

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Communion is not something we take, it's something we already have. Change my mind.
God created us and we are subject to him. If we choose not to follow God we are free not to do this but there are consequences to this decision. We are told something about it, but it results in where and how our souls live after death.

God tells us to have communion. We are to have faith enough in how our world is, how God tells us to manage our life, in the word of God to do as we are told to do.

Cars are created by man as man is created by God. If a car could talk what would we say to it if it questioned his need for gas to run? We are to take communion and learn what it is and does.
 

TM19782017

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It's because Jesus commanded (instituted) it so...

Mark 14:22-25 NKJV
[22] And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them and said, "Take, eat; this is My body." [23] Then He took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to them, and they all drank from it. [24] And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many. [25] Assuredly, I say to you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God."

1 Corinthians 11:23-26 NKJV
[23] For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; [24] and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me." [25] In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." [26] For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.
I totally agree with you when you use actual scripture to state you point but scripture can be looked at an even deeper meaning.....Staying on the surface makes logical sense but thinking in spiritual sense give a different and NOT conflicting to the logical verbal understanding.

For instance: The man who was blind...Yes He could have not been able to see 3 feet in front of him but he also could have been blind to belief in anything other than worldy things.

Like the widow who put next to no money into treasury... On the surface, she put next to nothing but, on the spiritual level, Jesus stated that she gave more than all the others.

Surface understanding is easy, deeper meaning requires more thought.

Make sense?
 

Blik

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I often wonder why when communion is received in a church, it involves bread and wine.....Eating and drinking?

We were told to do this in remembrance of Jesus.

Well, when we eat bread, it feels good and satisfying.....And when we drink wine, it lifts our evil worldy spirits up a little.
Now I am not saying that just eating and drinking wine is the way to be filled with the holy spirit but, if we were to take both of those to the extreme, we would no longer be filled with a holy spirit. We would have passed over into the definition of drunk...Drunk is a place where one loses guidance on good and evil and makes very poor choices....We start to think that we are filled with power and lose our way.
After you have read God's word for awhile you will find that God uses symbols often. God created us and planned even how our minds work, and God knows the value of symbols to us.

In Hebrew pictograph the word for love is a picture of someone bringing gifts. Often the Greek meaning of love does not include anything to do in regard to that word, in Hebrew it includes the doing to follow love. In the same way your taking communion is not in the Greek way of satisfying hunger and thirst, but the act and the word includes what happens to us spiritually.
 

JaumeJ

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Communion is not something we take, it's something we already have. Change my mind.

I belie it!.. Jesus Christ is the Bread from Heaven born in Beit Lechem the House of Bread.

We survive by eating this Bread from Heaven.

In the Blood is the Life.

We live eternally by drinking His Life.
 

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I often wonder why when communion is received in a church, it involves bread and wine.....Eating and drinking?

We were told to do this in remembrance of Jesus.

Well, when we eat bread, it feels good and satisfying.....And when we drink wine, it lifts our evil worldy spirits up a little.
Now I am not saying that just eating and drinking wine is the way to be filled with the holy spirit but, if we were to take both of those to the extreme, we would no longer be filled with a holy spirit. We would have passed over into the definition of drunk...Drunk is a place where one loses guidance on good and evil and makes very poor choices....We start to think that we are filled with power and lose our way.



For centuries, even without it being ceremonial concerning beliefs, friends and family gathering would pass loafs of bread around. Everyone touched the bread and broke a piece off for themselves before passing it to the next person. This was a sign of companionship, true friendship, family, to pass bread, break it, pass it along.

You now add this process to Communion in remembering Christ, it shows just how intimate this setting is actually intended and supposed to be. Church members breaking bread and passing it along, everyone's hands touch it, togetherness. Communion is a special event for a special purpose. To bring us together and closer like a true family remembering God!!
 

TM19782017

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After you have read God's word for awhile you will find that God uses symbols often. God created us and planned even how our minds work, and God knows the value of symbols to us.

In Hebrew pictograph the word for love is a picture of someone bringing gifts. Often the Greek meaning of love does not include anything to do in regard to that word, in Hebrew it includes the doing to follow love. In the same way your taking communion is not in the Greek way of satisfying hunger and thirst, but the act and the word includes what happens to us spiritually.
Ever ponder this?

The verbal languages we use a
For centuries, even without it being ceremonial concerning beliefs, friends and family gathering would pass loafs of bread around. Everyone touched the bread and broke a piece off for themselves before passing it to the next person. This was a sign of companionship, true friendship, family, to pass bread, break it, pass it along.

You now add this process to Communion in remembering Christ, it shows just how intimate this setting is actually intended and supposed to be. Church members breaking bread and passing it along, everyone's hands touch it, togetherness. Communion is a special event for a special purpose. To bring us together and closer like a true family remembering God!!
Agreed!

Bread has an expiration date. Which is why we must get our daily bread (Food from above)
 
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Thank you all for your replies!

If the Corinthians understood the communion we have with other members of the body then Paul would not have rebuked them for coming together "for the worse". They likely thought they were observing what Paul recounts of the night of "the Lord's supper", but their lack of a common-union with one another was a disgrace, therefore it wasn't Lord's, it was their "own supper".

We are not much different than the Catholic church when we say communion is partaking of "the elements". Paul had just finished talking about how WE are ONE BREAD, and partakers of that ONE BREAD.

1 Corinthians 10:16-17
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
So why do we flip the script and make it all about some sacred "elements" when he says this?
1 Corinthians 11:27-28
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

WE are his body, not some crackers or loaf of bread! Our communion is with one another, so if we are going to name Christ we ought to love each other as He loves us.
 

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I totally agree with you when you use actual scripture to state you point but scripture can be looked at an even deeper meaning.....Staying on the surface makes logical sense but thinking in spiritual sense give a different and NOT conflicting to the logical verbal understanding.

For instance: The man who was blind...Yes He could have not been able to see 3 feet in front of him but he also could have been blind to belief in anything other than worldy things.

Like the widow who put next to no money into treasury... On the surface, she put next to nothing but, on the spiritual level, Jesus stated that she gave more than all the others.

Surface understanding is easy, deeper meaning requires more thought.

Make sense?
When you start travelling in allegorical waters, you can pretty much make the text say whatever you want it to. You must first seek the plain meaning and then have that as the basis of a 2nd or third meaning.
 

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Thank you all for your replies!

If the Corinthians understood the communion we have with other members of the body then Paul would not have rebuked them for coming together "for the worse". They likely thought they were observing what Paul recounts of the night of "the Lord's supper", but their lack of a common-union with one another was a disgrace, therefore it wasn't Lord's, it was their "own supper".

We are not much different than the Catholic church when we say communion is partaking of "the elements". Paul had just finished talking about how WE are ONE BREAD, and partakers of that ONE BREAD.

1 Corinthians 10:16-17
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
So why do we flip the script and make it all about some sacred "elements" when he says this?
1 Corinthians 11:27-28
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

WE are his body, not some crackers or loaf of bread! Our communion is with one another, so if we are going to name Christ we ought to love each other as He loves us.
I think it would depend how one interprets a passage like this

Acts 20: 7. On the first day of the week, when the disciples were gathered together to break bread,

Is break bread just another way of saying they ate together? Or is it an idiom for what most Christians today think of as communion?
 

JaumeJ

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Jesus, Yeshua, said "do this in memory of me." He said any time we come together and repeat what He demonstrated for all, we do it in memory of Him. Some people take this to justify the RCC and its ceremonial eucharist, but this is not at all what we do when we remember ouf Savior.

It is His life and His teaching, Genesis to and including Revelation….. This coming together on the first day was simply doing what we should always do when we come together to break bread, and I suppose eat. It was not the first mass, as RCCers would say.
 
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I think it would depend how one interprets a passage like this

Acts 20: 7. On the first day of the week, when the disciples were gathered together to break bread,

Is break bread just another way of saying they ate together? Or is it an idiom for what most Christians today think of as communion?
I think breaking bread is an expression and I don’t think it equates with what most today think is an “ordinance”. There’s more to be said on this...

1 Corinthians 10:16-17 KJV
[16] The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? [17] For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

Our communion is of the blood and body of our Lord. WE are one bread, and partakers of that one bread!

Paul is talking like Jesus did.

John 6:56,63 KJV
[56] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. [63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

So then, when Paul says if you eat and drink unworthily it has nothing to do with food and drink