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eternally-gratefull

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Ok... just wanted to clear up that you view art of famous people as idols. Got it...
A graven image is a graven image.

We can't excuse sin, it just leads to other sin.

Image come from Paganism, That is why we are told to be separate. Not all pagan images were created for worship. Many were there for honor. Yet Gods people were still commanded to not make any.
 
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SantoSubito

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And here is the major issue in question. mary had a role in our salvation? Did she live Christ's life? Did she set aside her equality with God and come to earth? did she get executed for our sin by hanging naked on the cross? mary had no more a part in our salvation than her parents did. Saying she had a role is like saying the mother of a serial killer had a roll in his crimes, and she should either go to jail with him or get executed along side him because she is just as guilty!
She had a role in our salvation insofar that it relates to Christ.

I finf it amazing the people who hated Christ called him the son of mary, yet the people who loved Christ called him the son of David. Do you venerate David as much as you do mary? I would hope not that would be just as sinfull!
David is revered along with all the other OT Saints.




And this is supposed to answer how the created can be the mother of the creator? Wow, talk about trying to excuse your belief at all costs. A father and mother supplies the egg and seed, Out of it comes a humon body. it is God who gives the "breath of life " (soul) which makes the body a person. Mary supplied 1/2 the seed to form the human body. God supplied the other half and then he himself become th elife breathing soul which entered the body formed by mary!
You just answered it yourself. My mother provided half my DNA and God provided my soul, similarly Mary provided half the DNA for Christ and God provided the soul in the form of his incarnate self. Therefore it logically follows that Mary is the mother of God.





Yes it is ridiculous. It says that Mary created God. She gave him his deity,
It says no such thing. It says she gave birth to God incarnate in the flesh.





Ok. So what your saying is in eternity past, mary somehow was alive in the heavens. And her and the father gave birth to a son, And this son happened to create the universe and all which is in it. Became the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. Did the many miracles of the OT, as well as leading his people into the promised land. Then sometime a little over 2000 years ago, She first took on the form of a woman, She then got pregnant by Gods help and gave birth to her son for a second time, only this time, she bore God in flesh and blood.

Unless you believe this. mary is NOT the mother of God. She is the mother to his humanity only.
You seriously just aren't understanding this are you? You keep insisting that it's something that it's not in order to keep from admitting that the title Mother of God does indeed make sense.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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She had a role in our salvation insofar that it relates to Christ.
She had no more a roll than her parents, her grandparents, or who spiritual fathers (abraham and david to think of a few)



You just answered it yourself. My mother provided half my DNA and God provided my soul, similarly Mary provided half the DNA for Christ and God provided the soul in the form of his incarnate self. Therefore it logically follows that Mary is the mother of God.

No. It does not logically do anything. She provided the DNA for the body, the flesh. That is all. God is not flesh and blood he is spirit. His spirit entered flesh and blood and became man.



It says no such thing. It says she gave birth to God incarnate in the flesh.

She gave birth to Jesus the man, God entered the man and gave him his spirit or soul. His soul was eternal. thus was not created, it had no begining and no end. Your trying to give it a begining.


You seriously just aren't understanding this are you? You keep insisting that it's something that it's not in order to keep from admitting that the title Mother of God does indeed make sense.

The only way the "mother of God" makes sense is if what I said was true. If those things did nto happen. She is not the mother of God. She is th mother of his humaity, but not him.
 
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SantoSubito

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No. It does not logically do anything. She provided the DNA for the body, the flesh. That is all. God is not flesh and blood he is spirit. His spirit entered flesh and blood and became man.
You still aren't getting this.


She gave birth to Jesus the man, God entered the man and gave him his spirit or soul. His soul was eternal. thus was not created, it had no begining and no end. Your trying to give it a begining.
I am not giving God a beginning, I'm giving His incarnation a beginning, but not God himself.



The only way the "mother of God" makes sense is if what I said was true. If those things did nto happen. She is not the mother of God. She is th mother of his humaity, but not him.
His humanity cannot be separated from his divinity. From the moment of conception Christ was fully God and fully man, there was no point where Christ simply inhabited a human body devoid of a soul.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You still aren't getting this.
No, your not getting it.



I am not giving God a beginning, I'm giving His incarnation a beginning, but not God himself.
Then it is simple. Mary is NOT the mother of God. You just admitted it. Thanks




His humanity cannot be separated from his divinity. From the moment of conception Christ was fully God and fully man, there was no point where Christ simply inhabited a human body devoid of a soul.
What? So God did not simply enter the body? Then how could the body be God and man at the same time?

Again, What you say makes no sense.


The body was created. The soul has always been. Unlike our soul, which is created.

That is what separates us from Christ. And yes, even mary, Her body was created, her soul was created.
 

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No. I'm afraid you're still not comprehending it.


Then it is simple. Mary is NOT the mother of God. You just admitted it. Thanks
He did nothing of the sort. He reiterated the Truth that Mary is the mother of God.

What? So God did not simply enter the body? Then how could the body be God and man at the same time?

Again, What you say makes no sense.
Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus IS God. Therefore Mary is the mother of God. Or are you saying that God somehow was incapable of being both fully man AND fully God?

The body was created. The soul has always been. Unlike our soul, which is created.

That is what separates us from Christ. And yes, even mary, Her body was created, her soul was created.
. And your point is....?



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eternally-gratefull

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No. I'm afraid you're still not comprehending it.
Thats your belief, you are free to it, But I comprehend it well.


He did nothing of the sort. He reiterated the Truth that Mary is the mother of God.
He stated God did not have a beginning. I do not see how that relates to mary being the mother of God, if nothing else it contradicts it

Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus IS God.
Jesus (as God) created the heavens and earth. Spoke to moses in a bush. Gave moses his laws. Protected his people and punished them for their sin, and many other things the OT tells us he did long before Mary was even born.

Therefore Mary is the mother of God. Or are you saying that God somehow was incapable of being both fully man AND fully God?

Mary is the mother of the man Jesus, God has no mother.


. And your point is....?
God was not created. thus he can have no mother. Mother of God is a pagan belief, Not a christian belief,
 
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Laodicea

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we should worship God according to the first 4 commandments. No other god, no idols, not to take His name in vain and keep the 7th day sabbath.
 
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SantoSubito

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He stated God did not have a beginning. I do not see how that relates to mary being the mother of God, if nothing else it contradicts it
But his incarnation did, and that moment was from the moment of conception in Mary's womb. As some of my Eastern brethren are fond of titling herr she became the Theotokos (God-Bearer) and the Mother of God the Word incarnate in the flesh.



Jesus (as God) created the heavens and earth. Spoke to moses in a bush. Gave moses his laws. Protected his people and punished them for their sin, and many other things the OT tells us he did long before Mary was even born.
Yeah, all before the incarnation.



Mary is the mother of the man Jesus, God has no mother.
Like I said earlier the divinity and humanity of Christ is inseparable.



God was not created. thus he can have no mother. Mother of God is a pagan belief, Not a christian belief,
I think 2000 years of Christianity and the testimony of the Early Church Fathers would beg to differ.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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But his incarnation did, and that moment was from the moment of conception in Mary's womb. As some of my Eastern brethren are fond of titling herr she became the Theotokos (God-Bearer) and the Mother of God the Word incarnate in the flesh.





Yeah, all before the incarnation.




Like I said earlier the divinity and humanity of Christ is inseparable.





I think 2000 years of Christianity and the testimony of the Early Church Fathers would beg to differ.

lol.. you and your history. History does not trump the word of God.

God has no beginning try reading Hebrews. he like Melchizedek had no mother or father, no beginning and no end. so why do you want to make him a high priest who had a mother?
Oh thats right. God lies in his word. I forgot. the words of men hold more weight than the words of God in your religion, I forgot.
 
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i already posted a few times about this but i am getting worn out from deciding which church to belong to. i went to some but i didn't like what some of them were doing.
i wanted a more traditional church and i was talking to a catholic i know, and i like the catholics i know. but i saw some posts that said the Catholic faith is hearesy, which sounds bad. i heard about things in that church like praying to saints and thinsg and i don't believe in that, but don't they believe Jesus died for our sins like other churches?

i need to decide what church to go to because i feel alone and i really needa place to go to worship the Lord and be with other believers also.

can anyone give advice on this matter? which church do the people at this forum belong to?
thank you. sorry i posted already about it. on sundays i feel bad because i want to be in church but the last time i tried a church it was scary and i didnt liek what they said or what they were doing but maybe i didn't undersdtand.

its very confusing because all the churchs say something different.
marianna.
Go to whatever church you want. (Make sure it’s really a church. If it doesn’t believe in God, it’s not really a church.) If you like it there, keep going. If you don’t like it there, try to make it a better church, or go to another church.