What did the Jew receive first?

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Elin said:
We find in the NT the mystery of

1) the death of Christ (1Co 2:1),

2) the change that will take place at the resurrection (1Co 15:51),

3) the plan of God by which a remnant of both Jews and Gentiles, after a period of disobedience
by both, will by his mercy be included in the kingdom (Ro 11:25),

4) the Incarnation (1Tim 3:16),

5) God's purpose to sum up all things in Christ (Eph 1:9), especially to include both Jews and
Gentiles in the NT church (Eph 3:3-6). Could you really not know that in Genesis, we see how from the first blood sacrifice was asked for and salvation for us was not planned? That the Messiah was not predicted? They were given atonement from the beginning that became salvation at the resurrection, that is clear throughout OT scripture. Think! of all the scriptures telling of Christ, even giving the details of the town Christ would live in. Christ and salvation is a major part of OT scripture.

Perhaps you could show, for example, where 2) and 4) are found in the OT.
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Could you really not know that in Genesis, we see how from the first blood sacrifice was asked for and salvation for us was not planned? That the Messiah was not predicted? They were given atonement from the beginning that became salvation at the resurrection, that is clear throughout OT scripture. Think! of all the scriptures telling of Christ, even giving the details of the town Christ would live in. Christ and salvation is a major part of OT scripture.
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If I understand you correctly, yes, the law of Christ does not include all the regulations of the Mosiac law.
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There ya go. Now we all know what your ministry is. Thank you.
John 5:46-47
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Romans 8:5-7
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

You are unable to see. Therefore your ministry leaves much to be desired. Now the Pharisaical law is different than Christ's law, but that law isn't the same as the law that God gave to Moses.
 
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There ya go. Now we all know what your ministry is. Thank you.
John 5:46-47
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Romans 8:5-7
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

You are unable to see. Therefore your ministry leaves much to be desired. Now the Pharisaical law is different than Christ's law, but that law isn't the same as the law that God gave to Moses.
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Yes, I believe the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

Sorry you don't believe them in Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6; Eph 3:15; Heb 7:11-12, 18-19. . .
just for starters.
 
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Elin said:
Yes, I believe the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

Sorry you don't believe them in Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6; Eph 3:15; Heb 7:11-12, 18-19. . .
just for starters.
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Mt 22:40, Ro 13:8-10
Originally written in Leviticus and Deuteronomy

Gal 5:6
Not originally in the law given to Moses. That was through Abraham

Eph 3:15
Jesus is the creator of all things according to God's will who gave the law to Moses.
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do : for what things soever he doeth , these also doeth the Son likewise.

By this statement of Jesus there is no difference between God's law and Christ's law.

Heb 7:11-12 Priesthood change to the tribe of Judah.
Numbers 2:9 All that were numbered in the camp of Judah were an hundred thousand and fourscore thousand and six thousand and four hundred, throughout their armies. These shall first set forth.

Heb 7:18-19 Concerning the temple and its ordinances that were physical. Those ordinances didn't include the instructions of a loving relationship with God and our neighbor.
 
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just-me said:
Mt 22:40, Ro 13:8-10
Originally written in Leviticus and Deuteronomy

Gal 5:6
Not originally in the law given to Moses. That was through Abraham

Eph 3:15
Jesus is the creator of all things according to God's will who gave the law to Moses.
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do : for what things soever he doeth , these also doeth the Son likewise.

By this statement of Jesus there is no difference between God's law and Christ's law.

Heb 7:11-12 Priesthood change to the tribe of Judah.
Numbers 2:9 All that were numbered in the camp of Judah were an hundred thousand and fourscore thousand and six thousand and four hundred, throughout their armies. These shall first set forth.

Heb 7:18-19 Concerning the temple and its ordinances that were physical. Those ordinances didn't include the instructions of a loving relationship with God and our neighbor.
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Yes, the law of Christ is the law of God (1Co 9:21).
 
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Yes, the law of Christ is the law of God (1Co 9:21).
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Then why do we encourage people fight against God's law that He gave to Moses just because it doesn't save? Shouldn't we as Christians learn from this concerning God's judgments and our inherent carnal nature that will always be with us until the day we die?

It happened to the Jew first, and we can expect no difference seeing that God doesn't change.
 
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2 weeks later finally there is agreement :)

Psalm 107:20-21

He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions. Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!
 
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just-me said:
Then why do we encourage people fight against
God's law that He gave to Moses just because it
doesn't save?
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It seems your issue is with Jesus who gave us his law for the new covenant (Mt 22:37-39)
which fulfills the old covenant law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6).

Shouldn't we as Christians learn from this concerning God's judgments and
our inherent carnal nature that will always be with us until the day we die?
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These are more than amply covered in the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT writers for Christians.
 
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