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God said that the nation of Israel is His land and that His land "shall not be sold for ever"....which means don't divide God's land and "no land for peace".
Leviticus 25:23 The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.
Dividing the Land
Leviticus 25:23 The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.
Dividing the Land
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No, the "times of the Gentiles" is not over. The "times of the Gentiles" is the period of time when the Gentiles are ruling over Jerusalem and controlling it. It began with the Babylonian captivity under Nebuchadnezzar and will end at the second coming of Christ. The restoration of Jerusalem (and the nation of Israel) will happen when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled. Those two events are yet future.
Jerusalem has never been separated from the nation of Israel. Most (actually the majority) Israeli Jews consider Jerusalem, not Tel Aviv, to be the capitol of Israel. The city is divided and under Gentile control now, but at the second coming of Christ, Jerusalem will be fully restored and will be the place where Christ will rule this world for 1,000 years.
Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Isaiah 59:20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Jerusalem has never been separated from the nation of Israel. Most (actually the majority) Israeli Jews consider Jerusalem, not Tel Aviv, to be the capitol of Israel. The city is divided and under Gentile control now, but at the second coming of Christ, Jerusalem will be fully restored and will be the place where Christ will rule this world for 1,000 years.
Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Isaiah 59:20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
isaiah 11 will definitely be fulfilled!
Jesus said that Jerusalem would be trampled down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles were fulfilled.
israel definitely has the title deed to the land... and also there will be some gentile tenants living there and trampling things that israel will want to remove but won't be able to.
imo, trying to get rid of the gentile-tramplers before gentile-time is over just brings violence and trouble.
Jesus said that Jerusalem would be trampled down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles were fulfilled.
israel definitely has the title deed to the land... and also there will be some gentile tenants living there and trampling things that israel will want to remove but won't be able to.
imo, trying to get rid of the gentile-tramplers before gentile-time is over just brings violence and trouble.
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what? there was no regathering under Moses..
The first regathering was after babylon, and it was not even a complete regathering. Thats why jews from all nations were there at pentecost. And all spoke different languages, Because the regathering was not complete. Jews lived all over the then known world.
The first regathering was after babylon, and it was not even a complete regathering. Thats why jews from all nations were there at pentecost. And all spoke different languages, Because the regathering was not complete. Jews lived all over the then known world.
By your posts here you're obviously more interested in your own brand of politics on the matter, instead of what God said in His Word, The Holy Bible.
The lands God first promised to the children of Israel back in OT times still... belongs to them, and will forever. Go look in the OT and see what all those lands were. You'll see there are still a lot of lands Israel was given by God which they do not possess today.
When God scattered the children of Israel out of the holy lands because of falling away from Him, that did not mean His promises to them ended forever and others were to inherit the lands in place of the children of Israel. OT Scripture like Ezekiel 48 shows the twelve tribes of Israel forgiven and re-established in final back to the lands God promised their fathers, as also in Ezekiel 37.
Per 1 Kings 11, God promised that He would always leave one tribe in Jerusalem for His namesake, and for His servant David. This is why the Jews have never... completely left the holy lands of promise, which some lie in saying they have. There has always... been a remnant living there.
Even though many of the Jews that have been returning for centuries back to the holy land include many religious Jews (not bloodline), that still includes a remnant of bloodline "house of Judah" fulfilling God's promise of 1 Kings 11.
Jeremiah 24 is also a prophecy of a time when God said He would bring Judah back to the land and not remove them anymore. We know that had to be after the diasporas past 70 A.D. when the Jews were removed. 1948 marks that Jer.24 event coming to pass. Yet it's important to note that prophecy of the returning includes the people which God pointed to that represent the basket of evil figs. That was only about Judah, the basket of good figs, and the basket of evil figs. The majority of the remnants of the tribes of Israel are still scattered outside the holy lands today.
It will be the basket of evil figs mainly that will have caused the events of the end for Jerusalem involving the future temple and "abomination of desolation" event from the Book of Daniel. They will be behind the tribulation and causing many to fall away from God and instead direct worship towards the coming pseudo-Christ and his world kingdom.
When Jesus returns to inherit David's throne in Jerusalem, in final the lands of God's Kingdom is hinted to with stretching from Egypt all the way into Assyria, as per the end of Isaiah 19.
The lands God first promised to the children of Israel back in OT times still... belongs to them, and will forever. Go look in the OT and see what all those lands were. You'll see there are still a lot of lands Israel was given by God which they do not possess today.
When God scattered the children of Israel out of the holy lands because of falling away from Him, that did not mean His promises to them ended forever and others were to inherit the lands in place of the children of Israel. OT Scripture like Ezekiel 48 shows the twelve tribes of Israel forgiven and re-established in final back to the lands God promised their fathers, as also in Ezekiel 37.
Per 1 Kings 11, God promised that He would always leave one tribe in Jerusalem for His namesake, and for His servant David. This is why the Jews have never... completely left the holy lands of promise, which some lie in saying they have. There has always... been a remnant living there.
Even though many of the Jews that have been returning for centuries back to the holy land include many religious Jews (not bloodline), that still includes a remnant of bloodline "house of Judah" fulfilling God's promise of 1 Kings 11.
Jeremiah 24 is also a prophecy of a time when God said He would bring Judah back to the land and not remove them anymore. We know that had to be after the diasporas past 70 A.D. when the Jews were removed. 1948 marks that Jer.24 event coming to pass. Yet it's important to note that prophecy of the returning includes the people which God pointed to that represent the basket of evil figs. That was only about Judah, the basket of good figs, and the basket of evil figs. The majority of the remnants of the tribes of Israel are still scattered outside the holy lands today.
It will be the basket of evil figs mainly that will have caused the events of the end for Jerusalem involving the future temple and "abomination of desolation" event from the Book of Daniel. They will be behind the tribulation and causing many to fall away from God and instead direct worship towards the coming pseudo-Christ and his world kingdom.
When Jesus returns to inherit David's throne in Jerusalem, in final the lands of God's Kingdom is hinted to with stretching from Egypt all the way into Assyria, as per the end of Isaiah 19.
No God did not reject his people which he chose out of the Nation of Israel but he did reject National Israel. And that's what Paul is affirming in the Romans 11. The time of national Israel was over but that didn't mean that God was going to reject the ones he chose out of Israel like Paul himself.
Paul is not preaching that National Israel is God's chosen people, God's chosen people have always been the ones called by His name no matter what race or nation they come from. God is not a racist, he doesn't exalt Jews above all other people.... Zionists do that.
Paul is not preaching that National Israel is God's chosen people, God's chosen people have always been the ones called by His name no matter what race or nation they come from. God is not a racist, he doesn't exalt Jews above all other people.... Zionists do that.
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You have it backwards
Paul is affirming in Rom 11 that God has not rejected National Isreal. "the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable, God does not go back on his word. and change his mind.
Thats the reason there will always be a remenant, Up until the time they as paul said " all are saved" because the whole nation has repented and come back to God..
If God is done with the nation, it makes no sense to even say there is a remnant, WHy bother. As he said in romans 9 Being a jew does not matter, we are all one in Christ.
The remnant is a promise to us that Israel as a nation will never cease to exist, Even if they are not in their land at the time.
Paul is affirming in Rom 11 that God has not rejected National Isreal. "the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable, God does not go back on his word. and change his mind.
Thats the reason there will always be a remenant, Up until the time they as paul said " all are saved" because the whole nation has repented and come back to God..
If God is done with the nation, it makes no sense to even say there is a remnant, WHy bother. As he said in romans 9 Being a jew does not matter, we are all one in Christ.
The remnant is a promise to us that Israel as a nation will never cease to exist, Even if they are not in their land at the time.
No it's not backward. Look at the verse below. Israel (National Israel) hath not obtained BUT the ELECTION HAVE and the rest of National Israel was blinded.... Can't you see that Israel and "the election are not the same? National Israel is not God's elect or chosen people.
Romans 11:7 KJV
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Romans 11:7 KJV
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
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you ignore the rest of the passage, I am not talking about elect for salvation. As paul did in verse seven.
Again, If the national promises are now defunct or given to the church, there i no need of having a remnant. It makes no sense, because as I said all are in christ there is no jew or gentile. thus no need of a remnant.
you still have this fact,
Isreal is blinded in part.
At the time of the gentile is fulfilled, All Isreal will be saved.
until then
Isreal is hated according to the gospel. but beloved because of the fathers. Gods promises are irrevocable.
We need to read the whole chapter. not just a few chosen verses.
Again, If the national promises are now defunct or given to the church, there i no need of having a remnant. It makes no sense, because as I said all are in christ there is no jew or gentile. thus no need of a remnant.
you still have this fact,
Isreal is blinded in part.
At the time of the gentile is fulfilled, All Isreal will be saved.
until then
Isreal is hated according to the gospel. but beloved because of the fathers. Gods promises are irrevocable.
We need to read the whole chapter. not just a few chosen verses.