WHAT DO WE BELIEVE?

PneumaPsucheSoma · Feb 28, 2011

zone said:

Isn't Adam Sandler the Zohar? ...wait... that was Zohan. Nevermind...

journey41 · Feb 28, 2011

Hi PPS, Just to give you a bit of insight, so everybody knows that I am not making this up claiming it to be my own doctrine... Satan never had sex with humans, it was his angels who did. Satan was too smart for that, for those bad angels are now locked up for what they did.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, (heaven), but left their own habitation (heaven) he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day.
(the words in brackets are mine)

If you read the book of Enoch, you will get more insight as well. Why did I go to the book of Enoch in the first place? Because I was curious about this book and in Jude it says that Enoch prophesied, and I couldn't find that prophesy in the bible..so I googled it, to see what was in the book of Enoch and if it agreed with the bible or contradicted. I found this exact prophesy in the book of Enoch. The rest had no contradictions not one. It was purposely not included in the holy bible..and God left it out for a reason...it only confirmed what I already knew regarding this subject, but in more detail.

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints.

and these particular angels that were locked up, reserved in everlasting chains of darkness (bottomless pit) for committing abominations so bad against the Lord, will be let loose again on the 5th trumpet by the angel of the Lord

Rev 9: 1 And I saw a star (angel) fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key ofthe bottomless pit.
2. And he OPENED the BOTTOMLESS PIT, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

3. And there came out of the smoke LOCUSTS upon the earth: and unto them was GIVEN POWER, as the SCORPIONS of the earth have power.

4. And it was COMMANDED THEM that THEY should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but ONLY THOSE MEN which have NOT the SEAL of GOD in THEIR FOREHEADS.

5. And they had a KING over THEM, which is the ANGEL of the BOTTOMLESS PIT, whose name in Hebrew tongue is ABADDON, but in the Greek tongue has his name APOLLYON.

What did these angels do that was so bad, that THEY had to be LOCKED UP in the BOTTOMLESS PIT in the first place? Why these ones and not the others? What did they do?

Gen 6:2 That the SONS OF GOD saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them WIVES of all which they choose.

Gen 6:4 There were GIANTS in the EARTH in THOSE DAYS; and also after that, when the SONS OF GOD CAME IN unto the DAUGHTERS of men, and they bore CHILDREN to THEM, the SAME became MIGHTY MEN which were of OLD MEN of RENOWN.

Gen 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Some may think, yeah right. We cant even see angels, so how can they have sex with the women for they are spirit.

Gen 19:1 And there came TWO ANGELS to Sodom at evenning; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground.

Gen 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly, and they turned in unto him and entered into his house; and he made them a FEAST, and did BAKE UNLEAVENED BREAD, and they did EAT.
so, you see we have angels translating into flesh now so that they can be seen by men, and they were eating as well. We know that spirit doesn't need to eat our food, but they did this for a purpose, and looked what happened when the other men saw these beautiful angels that appeared as men

Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both OLD and YOUNG, all the PEOPLE from every quarter.

Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, WHERE ARE THE MEN WHICH CAME IN TO THEE THIS NIGHT? BRING THEM OUT TO US, that WE may KNOW THEM.

Gen 19:8 Behold, now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto THESE MEN do nothing; for therefore they came under the shadow of my roof.

and you can read the rest of what happened, but we get the picture that angels can turn into flesh and eat with us, and wicked men wanted to have sex with them, not knowing they were angels. I believe they did it with the intent to manipulate Gods creation and produce their own species. God destroyed them all, man and beast in the flood.

Regards
Journey.

PneumaPsucheSoma · Feb 28, 2011

journey41 said:

Hi PPS, Just to give you a bit of insight, so everybody knows that I am not making this up claiming it to be my own doctrine... Satan never had sex with humans, it was his angels who did. Satan was too smart for that, for those bad angels are now locked up for what they did.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, (heaven), but left their own habitation (heaven) he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day.
(the words in brackets are mine)

If you read the book of Enoch, you will get more insight as well. Why did I go to the book of Enoch in the first place? Because I was curious about this book and in Jude it says that Enoch prophesied, and I couldn't find that prophesy in the bible..so I googled it, to see what was in the book of Enoch and if it agreed with the bible or contradicted. I found this exact prophesy in the book of Enoch. The rest had no contradictions not one. It was purposely not included in the holy bible..and God left it out for a reason...it only confirmed what I already knew regarding this subject, but in more detail.

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints.

and these particular angels that were locked up, reserved in everlasting chains of darkness (bottomless pit) for committing abominations so bad against the Lord, will be let loose again on the 5th trumpet by the angel of the Lord

Rev 9: 1 And I saw a star (angel) fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key ofthe bottomless pit.
2. And he OPENED the BOTTOMLESS PIT, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

3. And there came out of the smoke LOCUSTS upon the earth: and unto them was GIVEN POWER, as the SCORPIONS of the earth have power.

4. And it was COMMANDED THEM that THEY should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but ONLY THOSE MEN which have NOT the SEAL of GOD in THEIR FOREHEADS.

5. And they had a KING over THEM, which is the ANGEL of the BOTTOMLESS PIT, whose name in Hebrew tongue is ABADDON, but in the Greek tongue has his name APOLLYON.

What did these angels do that was so bad, that THEY had to be LOCKED UP in the BOTTOMLESS PIT in the first place? Why these ones and not the others? What did they do?

Gen 6:2 That the SONS OF GOD saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them WIVES of all which they choose.

Gen 6:4 There were GIANTS in the EARTH in THOSE DAYS; and also after that, when the SONS OF GOD CAME IN unto the DAUGHTERS of men, and they bore CHILDREN to THEM, the SAME became MIGHTY MEN which were of OLD MEN of RENOWN.

Gen 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Some may think, yeah right. We cant even see angels, so how can they have sex with the women for they are spirit.

Gen 19:1 And there came TWO ANGELS to Sodom at evenning; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground.

Gen 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly, and they turned in unto him and entered into his house; and he made them a FEAST, and did BAKE UNLEAVENED BREAD, and they did EAT.
so, you see we have angels translating into flesh now so that they can be seen by men, and they were eating as well. We know that spirit doesn't need to eat our food, but they did this for a purpose, and looked what happened when the other men saw these beautiful angels that appeared as men

Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both OLD and YOUNG, all the PEOPLE from every quarter.

Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, WHERE ARE THE MEN WHICH CAME IN TO THEE THIS NIGHT? BRING THEM OUT TO US, that WE may KNOW THEM.

Gen 19:8 Behold, now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto THESE MEN do nothing; for therefore they came under the shadow of my roof.

and you can read the rest of what happened, but we get the picture that angels can turn into flesh and eat with us, and wicked men wanted to have sex with them, not knowing they were angels. I believe they did it with the intent to manipulate Gods creation and produce their own species. God destroyed them all, man and beast in the flood.

Regards
Journey.

Hi, Journey-

I've read the book of Enoch and am aware of the variations of Nephilim teachings and their rebuttals. I'm much more concerned about knowing God according to the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him. (Eph. 1:17). That's why I was clarifying what you believe about Father-Word (Son)-Holy Spirit. I've spent the last 13 years in the word with prayer and fasting to have a revelation of who God is. I'd say you are very close to the truth in that regard by saying God and His own Word and His own Spirit.

It's good that you explained you're not promoting "Serpent Seed" doctrine of Satan-Eve procreation, even though many will take issue with your "list" overall.

-PPS

journey41 · Mar 1, 2011

PneumaPsucheSoma said:

Hi, Journey-

I've read the book of Enoch and am aware of the variations of Nephilim teachings and their rebuttals. I'm much more concerned about knowing God according to the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him. (Eph. 1:17). That's why I was clarifying what you believe about Father-Word (Son)-Holy Spirit. I've spent the last 13 years in the word with prayer and fasting to have a revelation of who God is. I'd say you are very close to the truth in that regard by saying God and His own Word and His own Spirit.

It's good that you explained you're not promoting "Serpent Seed" doctrine of Satan-Eve procreation, even though many will take issue with your "list" overall.

-PPS

Yes thank you PPS. I've never even heard of the "Serpent Seed doctrine of Satan & Eve procreation" before and think that doctrine is false & misleading.
Journey

HeavenwithinYOU · Mar 1, 2011

THIS IS ALL THAT MATTERS - PEOPLE need to stop studying the bible and begin seeking heaven and HIS righteousness and ask for the Living Water to burst forth from within. PEOPLE treat the New TEstament as the Tree of knowledge instead of the Tree of eternal LIFE seeking to be ONE WITH GOD NOW AND JESUS TOO!

God bless you all and DO this ... DO it to the tee sisters and brothers.

YouTube - Jesus Christ Testimony, Finding Jesus Christ, Jesus loves you. <----- PLEASE watch my testimony, much love people.

[FONT=&quot]•John 17:21 - Jesus said: "That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be IN us."
John 8:31 - "IF you ABIDE in my word, you are TRULY my disciples."
• John 14:21: "He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."
• Luke 14:26 - "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple."
• John 7:37 - For Jesus stood and cried, saying on the day of the Feast, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his BELLY shall flow rivers of Living Water!"[/FONT]

wakeup · Mar 1, 2011

journey41 said:

We, that feed on the Word of God have not been divided, as we share the same spirit, the same doctrine, taught not from man but from the holy spirit.

There are a few things yet to re revealed, which are at this point a little unclear, and when the Lord wills , he will reveal, then we can say that we have the whole truth, but in the meantime I have listed below and if anyone would like to ask any questions then I will be happy to answer.

Please note, anyone can declare that they have the spirit of God in them, even myself, but we are to test the spirits whether they are of God or not. It has to fit scripturally and make perfect sense. It cannot contradict any of Gods words. This is the key. The truth has to flow....I have not provided scriptures, but only what we believe. I can provide scriptures later in response to your questions .

If everything sounds foreign to you then you have not been feeding on the truth. Time to go back to our bibles for clarification. If you disagree then it's o.k. and we can discuss. Genuine seekers please, no mockers. Time is short fellow christians lets not waste any more time. God is my witness. Glory & honour to the Most High...Our almighty Father in Heaven and our Lord and Savour Jesus Christ whom we trust in.

WHAT DO WE BELIEVE?
We believe that Jesus is the Word of God in the flesh
*When Jesus spoke, it was God speaking
*Jesus is the son of God and has the power to forgive sins
* Jesus in not God the Father
* Everything is according to God's plan and he has orchestrated it
* God created evil
* God created & meant for Lucifer to turn evil & expose it
* God meant for Adam & Eve to sin when he created them, by providing satan
* God is using Satan as a tool for his purpose
*Satans angels manifested in the flesh and had sex with women & animals in Genesis
*Satans angels produced children & new species of animals (giants, warriors, men of renoun, dinosaurs)
* God destroyed all of Satans 'creations' in the flood
*Satan & his angels could travel to and from heaven before the resurrection of Jesus Christ
*Satan & his angels were kicked out of heaven after the resurrection of Jesus Christ
*Jesus is sitting on the right hand side of God
*Jesus will be glorified at his coming and will be crowned king
*Satan is still the God of this world and is ruling
*A man must be born flesh (born of water first) then transformed into spirit at Christs coming before he can be born again
* Gods word is the bread from heaven and means spiritual food (knowledge) to feed our spirit.
* No man has been to heaven except Jesus, the Son of God.
* We do not go straight to heaven when we die
* We do not go straight to hell when we die
* We do not go to an in-between place when we die
* We sleep when we die and get resurrected at Christ's 2 coming
* Hell is not what the churches depict, forever and ever with people being tortured.
* Hell is death and means the grave - separation from God
* Death and hell will be thrown into the lake of fire after the millenium
* Christ's true church is a spiritual one and not physical
* The holy spirit is the Spirit of Truth, and the Comforter
* Spiritual gifts are real but have been contaminated by modern day churches
* The prophets were until John, but the next ones to come are the 2 witnesses
* Christian churches and religions have some truth, but not the whole truth.
* God hates the celebrations of xmas & easter
* Christians put worldy traditions before God, because they can't part with the world or understand their dark meanings.
* The 144,000 are the firstfruits of Christ
* The 144,000 are a mixture of Jews and spiritual Jews (the adopted)
* The 144,000 are the special chosen ones who God selected to clarify truth to the churches & true seekers
* The 144,000 are the small flock
* The small flock are the ones feeding on the truth
* The small flock will be sealed before 7 trumpets blow
* The small flock may not need to go through tribulation (not clarified, still searching)
* The small flock may be the ones who will be disappear or vanish (not clarified, still searching)
* Mainstream Christianity are the large flock (decieved zion)
* The black horse is running now and his pace is getting faster
* A false prophet will soon arrive and is according to the workings of Satan
* The false prophet is a man that Satan has given his power to
* The false prohpet may be the son of the Satan (not clarified, still searching)
* The false prophet will emerge from Europe
* The false prophet will be a Jew
* The false prophet will decieve many christians
* The true christians will go through tribulation
* Most christians will die and be beheaded by the false prophets army/police
* Some christians will escape and be hidden by God
* The 2 witnesess are Moses & Elijah
* Israel will be invaded by false prophets army
* There will be a mighty war in Israel (200,000,000 soldiers in total)
* The war will be between the False prophets army and Muslim nations
* The war will be over the F.P destroying of the Dome of the Rock and building his own temple
* Christ will meet his saints in the air and destroy babylons system
* Alot of flesh will die but but there will be survivors (the winepress)
* Satan will be locked up for 1000 years
* The major cities will be in ruins and no man will inhabit anymore
* The major cities will be a dwelling place for demons as they will not be locked up
* People will start again and build their own houses. Life will be simple
* Christ & the saints will rule on earth in Israel for 1000 years
* The remnant of Israel will be resurrected into flesh
* the survivors of the wrath of God, the great war and Jesus coming will have a 2nd chance
* Jesus and the saints will be reigning over Israel and teaching them the truth
* The Israelites will teach the outside nations. who are flesh also
* Israel will be the capital of the world
* Israel will become like the Garden of Eden and is called Paradise
* Satan will be released after the 1000 years
* Statan will start to decieve the nations again
* Satan is called Gog and Magog are his followers from all over the earth
* Satan will attack Israel, then will be destroyed along with those who followed him.
* It will take 7 years to bury the dead
* When all is cleaned up, Jesus will hand his kingdom back to God
* Loyal followers from Israel and existing nations will be invited to the Marriage of the Lamb in Prep for Gods arrival
* Loyal followers will be changed to spirit, and join saints - The Marriage of the Lamb
* God will bring heaven down to earth (The New Jerusalem)
* Heaven & Earth will be melted now because all was contaminated
* God will make a new heaven and new earth and dwell amongst us
No information beyond this point.

SORRY,MY DEAR: THE EARTH WILL BE MELTED FIRST,( TO PURIFY ).THEN THE MERRIAGE OF THE
LAMB WILL TAKE PLACE. THE WORD OF GOD IN TRUTH UNITED WITH GOD.
AND GODS TABERNACLE ON EARH, WE ARE ALL IN THE ONE SPIRIT NOW AND FOR EVER WITH GOD.

journey41 · Mar 1, 2011

wakeup said:

[/QUOTE]Yes, of course, thankyou. The earth is the last thing to made clean before Jesus presents the bride to God. 2nd judgement has taken place, and whoever made it is now turned to spirit otherwise how else would anything widthstand that kind of heat? Yes only spirit can. I guess this is when death and hell will exist no more as it will be melted with everything...Gone forever..

journey41 · Mar 1, 2011

Please understand people. I may of offended some about the false doctrine church thing, but please do not take it to heart. There are so many christian churches with different beliefs and they are divided. We cannot argue with that. Some churches believe in the trinity, some dont, some believe in a pre-trib rapture some dont, some believe that we go straight to heaven when we die some dont, some believe that we are saved by grace only, some dont, some believe that you can pray to Mary and the saints and some dont, some believe in tongues and some dont, some believe we are still under the law and some dont....the list goes on and on and on and there are other way out theories as well.

For starters, the JW's believe that Christ is already ruling and the 144,000 are their special elect. We know this is not correct. They dont believe in xmas and easter and neither do I. I have my reasons and proof from the bible for not practising these, but it doesn't make me a JW. I have never studied with them but always enjoy it when they knock on my door. We discuss issue by issue and I use the bible to clarify where their beliefs are wrong. They come back with their elders to convince me but it doesn't work. I just need to clarify that. They were very nice people however and really believed in what they had been taught.

As for the 7th day adventist, they are still under the old law as far as I'm concerned. They may have great info about conspiracies etc but they have got revelations grossly misinterpreted. I have only come accross 2 of them in my life and we have had discussions. They were very nice people with a good heart and intentions.

A few good friends of mine are born again christian. They love the lord with all their heart and labour hard in love to bring hope to those in distress. They would turn up at any time if one needed help and I know their intentions are genuine. We may disagree however, on the trinity thing and a few different subjects, but we agree on our differences. Never the less I love them and they are always there for me and pray for me and my family during our struggles.

I have also had mormons knock on my door. I asked them in and they refused because my husband wasnt home. We sat outside my front door and I took my bible out with me. I asked them what they believe (knowing this already) and we went straight to the scriptures. I showed them where they had erred and they were mesmerised. They could actually see it. I had a bit of help as the HS took me straight to the exact scriptures to find whatever I was looking for (as sometimes it can be a bit daunting when someone is standing there and you cant find whatever it is your looking for) but I had help and they promised to come back but didnt. They were such gentlemen and so graceful. Praise the Lord.

So you see, I am not a church person hater. Not at all. I love the truth however, I cant help it. Its in me. I defend it when the opportunity arises, and dont like to argue just for the sake of it, or to ridicule someone. I love the Lord with all my heart. My heart beats for him. Just like yours does. I'm not a nasty person but can exorcise authority in the word if I have to, why, because I believe in it so much.

I am confident with what I have learnt. I am not proud or haughty. I do not promote myself...just the truth, and we should all love the truth if Christ is in us. All I'm saying is just check everything out with sincerety. If it sounds foreign and you havn't heard it, dont just dismiss. Ask questions. Seek. Because if that truth is in us, it will be used to resurrect us. The spirit of truth is a gift. Dont take it lightly. Submit to Lord with all your heart and search out the deep things of God. He loves it when we want to delve into his word. It shows him that we are interested in everything he has to say. He wants to give us truth. If anyone tells you not to study the bible then beware. You will enter faith blindly believing anything. When we learn the truth, we learn what God expects from us. We will not be decieved with any false doctrine. We will discern. The whole new testament is a guide, or an instuction manual if you like for righteousness. If we dont read it, then we may sin not knowingly in a certain area and that would be ignorance. To practise righeousness is to be with the Lord. We wouldn't know him if it wasnt for his written word. Once we have that inside us, our relationship grows with him. We begin to think of God in everything we do, and trust in him for everything. We no longer fear, because he is with us, and we depend on him eternally. We are saved by grace. If we depend on him and 'learn him' that grace will lead our spirit to be fed by him, by his holy word, Spirit of Truth.

I have taken your mockings, your false accusations, your insults and your cunningness to bait me, and I have not sought for personal revenge. I am just like you, once a sinner and depending on mercy. I have not exalted myself or proclaimed myself. I have no pleasure in taking you away from your church. If your church led you to Christ then so be it. Just read for yourself. So please, if you have any questions, I can only suggest that we be christian like and gentle for the sake of Christ and for the newcomers and outsiders who are watching our example.

Take care.
Love Journey

zone · Mar 1, 2011

PneumaPsucheSoma said:

LOL

he's pretty funny!

wakeup · Mar 1, 2011

Scotth1960 said:

obviously the god that you worship is not an allknowing god.
he can not tell the future, what lucifer is going to do.
so sad, so blind.

wakeup

zone · Mar 1, 2011

SantoSubito said:

Or we could stick with the accepted Nicene Creed which lays out the points of the Christian faith much more succinctly.

Nicene Creed

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

hi santo!
long time no see, bud.
agree. nuthin' in that creed about an earthly reign from Jerusalem.
~zone.

btw: c'mon over!

Scotth1960 · Mar 1, 2011

journey41 said:

Neither the angels of God, who are good and holy, of whom Michael and Gabriel are archangels, and along with all the myriads of other good angels, nor the, on the other hand, the fallen angels, satan and his angels who became demons by their sins, are capable of procreation. They do not have bodies. They are neither male nor female. They are bodiless powers and are spirits/souls/minds, by whatever term is used, they are creations of God who have intellect, memory, and free will. The angels are bodiless, and don't have any seminal organs, so they can not impregnate any human women, or any animal creature with a body. The book of Enoch was banned by the Church, but may be accepted by some misguided Judaizing people in Ethiopia. The Ethiopian canon of Scripture is strange, and incorrect. It includes a few false books. In addition with correct books. Jubilees is also in the Ethiopian OT. Go figure. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

Scotth1960 · Mar 1, 2011

wakeup said:

I worship God, and I am persuaded by God Himself that God created men and angels with free will. The first one to misuse his free will was Lucifer. And so Lucifer became satan, the evil one. God knew what Lucifer was going to do. Knowing what a person is going to do in the future is not the same thing as making them do it, or predestining them to do it. As all good and all holy, God cannot sanction or cause or approve of sin. God would not command Lucifer to disobey Him. Lucifer chose to do that, and so such a thing, which had never previously existed, came to exist. Lucifer wanted to be God, and so Lucifer fell with his sin of pride and presumption. This was not according to God' plan, but totally against God's will. Any child of God leaves it to God to explain this to us. We do sin and great slander to an all loving and all loving and all powerful and all knowing God to suggest that God made Lucifer to sin. That is lie that Lucifer himself is inspiring in people who do not know and love the truth. Sin is never justified. When we sin, the only way to be saved is to completely repent, confess our sins to God, and beg God for His mercy and ask God to save us forgive us and to cleanse us from all of our unrighteousness. Take care. God, who is all knowing, does not cause sin to exist by His foreknowledge of its coming to be. Yes, God knew there would be sin in Lucifer. But God did not create Satan. Lucifer became Satan, the Adversary of God, by choosing to oppose God. Lucifer was blameless in all his ways and good before God, as God created him to be, until the choice Lucifer made was not good, and so God rejected him. Do you not believe that God can only do good, and can do no evil? May the Lord bless you and keep you. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

WomanLovesTX · Mar 4, 2011

As I was reading the list, I had to stop at "Satans angels produced children & new species of animals (giants, warriors, men of renoun, dinosaurs)" We do not have sufficient evidence in the Bible to take this and make liberty of assumption. If, you, as you say (studied without the indoctrination of church and It cannot contradict any of Gods words. plese do point to the scriptures that witness to this statement. I was in the belief that angels were no sex and not able to procreate or create. I have another view I have taken much liberty regarding that topic that is also not substantiated through the scriptures, so I refrain from sharing it to anyone. However, I would like to point that we are not meant to know all things.

Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.

WomanLovesTX · Mar 4, 2011

To the disagreement of God creating evil vs. God didnot create evil.

I have heard people say that Satan is behind all their troubles, trials and tribulations, but the great I AM, He takes all the credit for that. (I give all the credit and understanding this to God and I also choose to praise him for the evil, troubles, trials, tribulations and calamities, hard times, sorrow, bad times in my life and of others. (Just because I can praise His work He is doing in me or others, does not exclude me from showing passion, love and generosity to others who have need.) With the knowledge of troubled times being of God (and not demon behind every bush), I have the wisdom to know it is good for me, either personally experiencing or good for me to have an opportunity to share God's love and mercy by aiding the one who is "inflicted". That is at least two good things that have a definite purpose he does through "evil".

Judge for yourself.

Isaiah 45:7 (King James Version)
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amplified Bible (AMP)7
I form the light and create darkness, I make peace [national well-being] and I create [physical] [a]evil (calamity); I am the Lord, Who does all these things.
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
7The One (A)forming light and (B)creating darkness,
Causing well-being and (C)creating calamity;
I am the LORD who does all these.
New International Version, ©2011 (NIV)
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things.
New Living Translation (NLT)
I create the light and make the darkness.
I send good times and bad times.
I, the Lord, am the one who does these things.
English Standard Version (ESV)
7I form light and create darkness,
I make well-being and(A) create calamity,
I am the LORD, who does all these things.
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
7I create light and darkness,
happiness and sorrow.
I, the LORD, do all of this.
New Century Version (NCV)
7 I made the light and the darkness.
I bring peace, and I cause troubles.
I, the Lord, do all these things.
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
7I make light and create darkness.
I make blessings and create disasters.
I, the Lord, do all these things.
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
7I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the LORD, do all these things
American Standard Version (ASV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
7Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I [am] Jehovah, doing all these things.'
Darby Translation (DARBY)
7forming the light and creating darkness, making peace and creating evil: I, Jehovah, do all these things.
Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
7 I form light and create darkness, (A)
I make success and create disaster; (B)
I, the LORD, do all these things.
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
7 I cause light to shine. I also create darkness.
I bring good times. I also create hard times.
I do all of those things. I am the Lord.
New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
Today’s New International Version, ©2005 (TNIV)
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things.

I asked a scholarly friend to tell me if “sin”, “evil” and “wickedness” were the same and what is the definition of them:
“I came across a new word, in the Greek, as a result of the words you asked me to look at (sin, evil, wickedness). I won’t give the English word for it, since I’m not sure it’s the same in each usage, but the given definition is “degeneracy from virtue.” It’s Strong’s word # G4450.”

PneumaPsucheSoma · Mar 4, 2011

WomanLovesTX said:

To the disagreement of God creating evil vs. God didnot create evil.

I have heard people say that Satan is behind all their troubles, trials and tribulations, but the great I AM, He takes all the credit for that. (I give all the credit and understanding this to God and I also choose to praise him for the evil, troubles, trials, tribulations and calamities, hard times, sorrow, bad times in my life and of others. (Just because I can praise His work He is doing in me or others, does not exclude me from showing passion, love and generosity to others who have need.) With the knowledge of troubled times being of God (and not demon behind every bush), I have the wisdom to know it is good for me, either personally experiencing or good for me to have an opportunity to share God's love and mercy by aiding the one who is "inflicted". That is at least two good things that have a definite purpose he does through "evil".

Judge for yourself.

Isaiah 45:7 (King James Version)
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amplified Bible (AMP)7
I form the light and create darkness, I make peace [national well-being] and I create [physical] [a]evil (calamity); I am the Lord, Who does all these things.
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
7The One (A)forming light and (B)creating darkness,
Causing well-being and (C)creating calamity;
I am the LORD who does all these.
New International Version, ©2011 (NIV)
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things.
New Living Translation (NLT)
I create the light and make the darkness.
I send good times and bad times.
I, the Lord, am the one who does these things.
English Standard Version (ESV)
7I form light and create darkness,
I make well-being and(A) create calamity,
I am the LORD, who does all these things.
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
7I create light and darkness,
happiness and sorrow.
I, the LORD, do all of this.
New Century Version (NCV)
7 I made the light and the darkness.
I bring peace, and I cause troubles.
I, the Lord, do all these things.
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
7I make light and create darkness.
I make blessings and create disasters.
I, the Lord, do all these things.
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
7I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the LORD, do all these things
American Standard Version (ASV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
7Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I [am] Jehovah, doing all these things.'
Darby Translation (DARBY)
7forming the light and creating darkness, making peace and creating evil: I, Jehovah, do all these things.
Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
7 I form light and create darkness, (A)
I make success and create disaster; (B)
I, the LORD, do all these things.
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
7 I cause light to shine. I also create darkness.
I bring good times. I also create hard times.
I do all of those things. I am the Lord.
New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
Today’s New International Version, ©2005 (TNIV)
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things.

I asked a scholarly friend to tell me if “sin”, “evil” and “wickedness” were the same and what is the definition of them:
“I came across a new word, in the Greek, as a result of the words you asked me to look at (sin, evil, wickedness). I won’t give the English word for it, since I’m not sure it’s the same in each usage, but the given definition is “degeneracy from virtue.” It’s Strong’s word # G4450.”

With all graciousness, that it a large doctrine to build on a single verse with no language knowledge. It's an emotional, sentimental, and philosophical mindset taken TO Scripture, not a real effort to receive truth FROM Scripture. Exegesis allows us to know what the Word says; Eisegesis causes the Word to say what we "know". This is Eisegesis. I doubt my loving correction will deter you, though.

As for your sig... I doubt most "desire" eternal damnation and suffering for others.

WomanLovesTX · Mar 4, 2011

PneumaPsucheSoma said:

I am open to correction to be shown through God's Word if you believe the doctrine that God did not create evil. Yes, I do wholeheartedly accept the great I AM and His creations. To accept that he did create evil, gives me peace and if you have other doctrine/scripture that also gives us peace that we are suppose to accept evil as something that was not in the CREATOR OF ALL THINGS, please share.

PneumaPsucheSoma · Mar 4, 2011

WomanLovesTX said:

I would hope one would search the whole of Scripture with prayer and much fasting before asserting or affirming major doctrinal beliefs. In my experience, few are correctable once they have such strong views.

Out of curiosity, who do you believe God to be, and who is Jesus?

trust_in_the_name · Mar 4, 2011

WomanLovesTX said:

PneumaPsucheSoma said:

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7 KJV)

7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things.' (Isaiah 45:7 NKJV)

7 I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe; I the Lord do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7 NRSV)

The word translated above as evil, calamity, and woe is the Hebrew word ra', which means adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, displeasure, distress, and evil. It can refer to natural or moral evil.

Ra' is being contrasted with the Hebrew word shalom, translated above as peace and weal, which means completeness, soundness, welfare, and peace.

So, God makes shalom and creates ra', for whatever that's worth. The idea here is that God is the creator and originator of the whole of existence throughout the whole of time, not just bringing existence into being at its beginning and letting things unfold as they will, as a deist might suppose, but acting as the source of events as they unfold in time, including those that affect and relate to mankind, regardless of their nature, be it good or bad, welfare or calamity, peace or war.

The point being made here is that it's not our place to ascribe certain events but not others to God on the basis of our own judgments. All things originate with Him, regardless of our outlook. We cannot ascribe things we look favorably upon to God, while not ascribing to Him those things we do not look favorably upon, since everything comes from Him, directly and not just indirectly. In this sense, it is a counterargument against deism, and an argument for God's sovereignty and control in the world.

Search

WHAT DO WE BELIEVE?

PneumaPsucheSoma

Banned

journey41

Banned

PneumaPsucheSoma

Banned

journey41

Banned

HeavenwithinYOU

Guest

wakeup

Banned

journey41

Banned

journey41

Banned

zone

Senior Member

wakeup

Banned

zone

Senior Member

Scotth1960

Guest

Scotth1960

Guest

WomanLovesTX

Senior Member

WomanLovesTX

Senior Member

PneumaPsucheSoma

Banned

WomanLovesTX

Senior Member

PneumaPsucheSoma

Banned

trust_in_the_name

Banned