What do you believe and why do you believe it?

[Spectrox]

Experience with God Spectrox. I’ve received the baptism of Holy Spirit with tongues and other gifts.

When I was in sin, I had no power to be different. When Holy Spirit spoke to me and questioned me which way I would go, I chose His. Instant change like turning on the light switch and light floods the room.

Now many other experiences and adventures with the Lord. But, the new birth sealed the deal. 😉

I believed I had an experience with the Lord too. How do you know this experience arises as the result of an outside agency and is not just brain processes?

 

[Spectrox]

atheistic evolutionary monism is inescapably nihilistic. the direct implications of its tenets include ultimate non-existence and erode the very basis of the legitimacy of human thought, supplanting it with randomized temporary psychosis. in this it is self-contradictory as it relies upon its own internal epistemological awareness and analysis while it simultaneously denies its own existence and justification of logical coherence.
it is the 'theology' of the religion called 'humanism' which is worship of man.

i have not given you my position at all. i have been revealing your position for what it is, because atheist humanistic monists do not generally admit the core doctrines underpinning their religion to themselves or to others, neither do they generally comprehend them, but spend their time and thought finding duplicitous and flimsy arguments for use in attacking theists rather than examining their own tenuous beliefs.

i do not believe any of that rot.
i believe in substance-dualism, in a physical body which is an apparatus inhabited by a non-physical soul, both being the work of one divine, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent and omnibenevolent Creator who has imbued man with His breath of life.
i believe man is essentially 'poisoned' in a pervasive way with what we call sin: this sin being not a physical, but a spiritual property. man is not monistic in substance ((i.e. simply physical)) but has both a physical and a spiritual substantive existence.

Jesus Christ is the Son of God - God Himself made flesh - who came to 'heal the sick' and provide salvation to all who believe Him. the gospel is not provided as an 'escape' from the objective reality of atheist humanistic evolutionary monism's bleak non-existent & utterly hopeless nothingness. that objective reality is simply not factual; substance-monism is false.

All you are doing in your list of assertions is trying to find something wrong with the unbeliever. A double negative. You can't give a rational account for why you believe Jesus is the Son of God, whatever that really means. All you are doing is shifting the burden of proof with a load of bluster and smoke-screening. A classic Christian tactic to avoid scrutiny.

 

[Spectrox]

There is a connection, and it need not be direct. The impossibility of a single protein forming by chance, and the fact that proteins do exist, means that they must have a non-natural origin. That origin must be "above" matter, and must be able to design and manipulate matter at every level, from the most fundamental laws to the entire universe.

The Bible makes no attempt to conform to the structure of a modern scientific tome. It simply states what is and always has been (God), historical truth, future events (prophecy, much of it fulfilled already), and the way in which humans may be in right relationship with God (through faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ). Rejecting the Bible because it doesn't make scientific predictions is like rejecting a hamburger because it isn't a bicycle.

The Bible makes it clear that God didn't "arise". He simply is. As long as you try to squeeze God into a box of your own making, you will find that He doesn't fit.

But which particular God and why? There are plenty to choose from.

 

[Spectrox]

Would it matter if I were the only one?
What matters to me is, does what I have experienced line up with what is written?
The bible is my truth or lie meter, and truth cannot fail, ever. Otherwise it is not, or no long is, truth.
1+1=2 is both a law and a truth.
The moment 1+1 does not equal 2, that law/truth would cease to be a law or truth from that point on.
The same holds true for the word of God.
God HAS to answer my prayers and HAS to perform what I say, in faith, without fail.
If He did fail, which is impossible for Him to do, His word or promise would cease to be truth. Which means, it would be a lie.
You, according to Jesus, CANNOT receive truth because of the spirit in you.
Neither will you be able to either see/perceive or hear/comprehend/understand some of the truths we prevent to you, again, because you are of you father the devil, and the works of your father you will do.
That thing couldn't abide in the truth, and neither can you.
It can't receive truth, and neither can you, because it won't let you.
You will only be allowed to see and hear what it wants you to.
Until that spirit is cast out, you will remain as you are now.
Why else would someone who, at times sound so intelligent, concerning things in the natural world, but concerning things of other worlds or the spirit world, you not only miss such simple and obvious facts and truths, but respond with, what appears to be, such dull acuity.
The one thing I believe makes an intelligent person defy simple logic, rendering them stupid, is a demonic spirit.
But since you don't see or believe in The God of the bible, then I would figure, neither do you believe in evil spirits.
I therefore am speaking nonsense to you in your eyes.
Even the so-called Christians or believers who are carnally minded or how look after or at the things in the natural, are not able to see things of and in the spiritual.

Joh 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

God has answered every single one of your prayers without fail? Wow. Were there any prayers that gave a negative result and you had to pass it off as God's will?

 

[Spectrox]

And I would redirect you to the truth of God's word whereby through them, we have received impossible healings, answered prayers, and miracles.
Signs follow true believers, not unbelievers or even doubting Christians.
Again, would you like to see a miracle, and if you did, would you then believe?

Have you performed the signs that accompany true believers in Mark 16, i.e. surviving poisonous snake bites and casting out demons?

 

[Spectrox]

I can present a sound argument for the irrationality of atheism, will that work?

Have you written that argument yet? I would like to see it.

 

[posthuman]

All you are doing in your list of assertions is trying to find something wrong with the unbeliever. A double negative. You can't give a rational account for why you believe Jesus is the Son of God, whatever that really means. All you are doing is shifting the burden of proof with a load of bluster and smoke-screening. A classic Christian tactic to avoid scrutiny.

Dude, you have consistently misinterpreted and misunderstood my intentions, and you are accordingly misrepresenting my conversation.

I have not given any 'proof' or tried shifting any 'burden' and I haven't searched for any flaw in unbelief, and I cordially invite you to to please scrutinize the origin, location and existence of consciousness from the point of view of monistic evolutionary atheism.

That's what I've been doing, and I haven't even begun to criticize it. You find it distasteful. I agree. So invite you to scrutinize it, just as I have for the last 30 years.
Perhaps you are conflating what I've said with what 30 other people have been talking to you about?

 

[JamOn]

The Bible is not perfect? Is a perfect Omni God not able to control the message in his own book? Burden of Proof is a logic term that applies to anyone making a positive claim. It doesn't mean you have to provide irrefutable proof of God but hopefully some good evidence or a demonstration that warrants a response from someone else who may be unconvinced.

I don’t know why I even posted in this thread, people have the right to believe in whatever it is they believe, as for me what I believe and know no else does but there’s complete bliss in that I’d loose my joy if anyone did as well hehe...

 

[JamOn]

I am not a biochemist but if the 10^164 is an accurate probability then why does it necessarily mean a God exists? More importantly how does it necessarily mean the Biblical God exists when there are no accurate scientific predictions enclosed in its myriad of pages. A God would have to be at least as complex as the world he created. How did God's complexity arise?

Yea that was foolish to even post I apologize

 

[Lightskin]

If I had been God I would have written that in the Bible because not only would it have been helpful (and no less unbelievable than angels, demons or witches) but it would have been good evidence that the Bible had prior knowledge of the truth. Much clearer than so-called prophecies. Faith overriding health issues? Do you mean the placebo effect?

I speak for most everyone when saying I’m glad you’re not God. 😉

 

[Spectrox]

Dude, you have consistently misinterpreted and misunderstood my intentions, and you are accordingly misrepresenting my conversation.

I have not given any 'proof' or tried shifting any 'burden' and I haven't searched for any flaw in unbelief, and I cordially invite you to to please scrutinize the origin, location and existence of consciousness from the point of view of monistic evolutionary atheism.

That's what I've been doing, and I haven't even begun to criticize it. You find it distasteful. I agree. So invite you to scrutinize it, just as I have for the last 30 years.
Perhaps you are conflating what I've said with what 30 other people have been talking to you about?

Burden of Proof is a logic expression about making positive claims. I'm not asking you to prove your God exists. I just want a bit of demonstration given the myriad of God claims out there. I have never glorified humanity. Humanity has spectacularly failed on occasions from a moral point of view. Religion has added to that misery or sometimes been the cause of it. And when atheists have failed others it's usually because the masses have been gullible and have not engaged in critical thinking or have glorified leaders without skepticism. Humanism has arisen relatively recently to fill the void left by such behaviour. You are arguably glorifying man by worshipping God in man's image from the Bronze Age and Iron Age.

 

[Spectrox]

I speak for most everyone when saying I’m glad you’re not God. 😉

At least I don't support slavery. And i haven't committed genocide all week.

 

[Spectrox]

I don’t know why I even posted in this thread, people have the right to believe in whatever it is they believe, as for me what I believe and know no else does but there’s complete bliss in that I’d loose my joy if anyone did as well hehe...

So a muslim has the right to believe in Islam and your God would be happy with that? I thought Jesus said something like "You can come to the Father ONLY through me."? Ignorance is bliss, I suppose?

 

[Spectrox]

Dude, you have consistently misinterpreted and misunderstood my intentions, and you are accordingly misrepresenting my conversation.

I have not given any 'proof' or tried shifting any 'burden' and I haven't searched for any flaw in unbelief, and I cordially invite you to to please scrutinize the origin, location and existence of consciousness from the point of view of monistic evolutionary atheism.

That's what I've been doing, and I haven't even begun to criticize it. You find it distasteful. I agree. So invite you to scrutinize it, just as I have for the last 30 years.
Perhaps you are conflating what I've said with what 30 other people have been talking to you about?

Consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. What has this got to do with your interpretation of the Bible allegedly being correct?

 

[posthuman]

Consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. What has this got to do with your interpretation of the Bible allegedly being correct?

Have I mentioned the Bible?

Have you ever looked into research about the seat of consciousness? Because no one has ever been able to demonstrate this theorized 'emergence' you mention. No one has ever been able to link the 'self' to a definite physical locality. No one has ever been able to replicate the idea you just parroted to me from Mary Shelly's fiction, and it's not for lack of trying.

I find that pretty interesting.

And you say consciousness is a property of the brain?
What does atheistic evolutionary monism say about the origin of the brain?

 

[UnderGrace]

Have you written that argument yet? I would like to see it.

Working on it... have not forgotten

 

[Dino246]

But which particular God and why? There are plenty to choose from.

Do you acknowledge the requirement for an intelligent designer? Let's start there.

 

[Dino246]

At least I don't support slavery. And i haven't committed genocide all week.

Your self-defined morality doesn't hold water.

 

[Lightskin]

At least I don't support slavery. And i haven't committed genocide all week.

On the contrary, you’re self imposed imprisonment is clear as day, all while embracing your own destruction. Carry on.

 

[JamOn]

So a muslim has the right to believe in Islam and your God would be happy with that? I thought Jesus said something like "You can come to the Father ONLY through me."? Ignorance is bliss, I suppose?

Is that something you ask yourself about if God would be happy? or for another reason?