What do you believe 'hell' actually is?
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And now I'm going to have be a bit of a hypocrite and give in...
There comes a point where you question whether or not god has infinite wisdom or love, or even exists. If something is so horrible it goes against the very fiber of your being, so awful that you cannot come up with a single possibility where it would be even remotely acceptable, you find it hard to trust that god is right anyways. Why should I believe that his ways are higher? You're arguing from the assumption that god exists and is infinitely more wise than us, if you don't make that assumption then the whole argument falls apart.
Also, the fact that you're required to completely let go of human logic and morality, human reasoning and everything we can know, to have faith that god is right in doing something that seems abhorrent to us... Just makes the penalty of hell even more unacceptable, because you can go there for such non-crimes that actually make more sense, such as not having faith.
Eternal torture is not comparable with a parent punishing a child in order to raise them properly. You do not come out of hell a better person, you're there forever, suffering endlessly. There is no purpose to hell other than cruelty.
There comes a point where you question whether or not god has infinite wisdom or love, or even exists. If something is so horrible it goes against the very fiber of your being, so awful that you cannot come up with a single possibility where it would be even remotely acceptable, you find it hard to trust that god is right anyways. Why should I believe that his ways are higher? You're arguing from the assumption that god exists and is infinitely more wise than us, if you don't make that assumption then the whole argument falls apart.
Also, the fact that you're required to completely let go of human logic and morality, human reasoning and everything we can know, to have faith that god is right in doing something that seems abhorrent to us... Just makes the penalty of hell even more unacceptable, because you can go there for such non-crimes that actually make more sense, such as not having faith.
Eternal torture is not comparable with a parent punishing a child in order to raise them properly. You do not come out of hell a better person, you're there forever, suffering endlessly. There is no purpose to hell other than cruelty.
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I don't assume that God exist, He has made it quite evident to me that He does. So I know without doubt, there is no argument in my mind.
Furthermore, we don't have to let go of logic and reasoning. God gave us these for a reason, and not to question Him and His ways. The penalty of hell is well justified. God created you, does he not have the right to destroy you also? God gives us free will to chose our allegiance. It is either to God or to satan. The choice is ours! btw, God doesn't appreciate seeing His name in lowercase, such disrespect. Whether you believe in God or not, it is still a proper name. I will no longer comment in this thread. I pray that you find your way back to God LaylieCalmMind. God be with you!
Furthermore, we don't have to let go of logic and reasoning. God gave us these for a reason, and not to question Him and His ways. The penalty of hell is well justified. God created you, does he not have the right to destroy you also? God gives us free will to chose our allegiance. It is either to God or to satan. The choice is ours! btw, God doesn't appreciate seeing His name in lowercase, such disrespect. Whether you believe in God or not, it is still a proper name. I will no longer comment in this thread. I pray that you find your way back to God LaylieCalmMind. God be with you!
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I agree with the sentiment that we should focus more on how someone can become a born again Christian by asking the Lord to show them how to have faith and have everlasting life through believing that Jesus died for us by taking our sins - but i can also understand human curiosity about what Hell is like. I dont want to find out and i now believe i wont have to. But God loves us and i cannot believe the unsaved souls are bound to suffer an eternity of torment. I feel in my heart that the grave and separation from God is the fate for those who refuse the gift of eternal life.
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So when your parents give you a big luxury Ferrari, they can just demolish it with a big hammer a couple months later, and you would be totally fine with that?
Besides that, we didn't choose to live! We have never had the choice to say: "no, I don't want to live so I won't have the risk to end in eternal flames".
Besides that, we didn't choose to live! We have never had the choice to say: "no, I don't want to live so I won't have the risk to end in eternal flames".
20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? (Romans 9:20-24)
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Yes i think logic has to take a back seat when you consider faith in God. It is logic that kept me away from the the Bible and the truth that God exists. Over analysis isnt going to give anyone answers. I still think that the unsaved will return to dust and will cease to exist. That is Hell, when you consider they could have chosen paradise.
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This is exactly what I was getting at with my comments on logic. The carnal mind tries to use logic to understand the concept of God. We will never understand God if we are not in the mind of Christ. We gain understanding of God and His ways by reading His word, but not only by this, but by living, and living in the word. The Holy Spirit, or Holy Ghost, is also a tremendous teacher of understanding and wisdom.
I know I said that I wouldn't comment in this thread anymore. Forget that, I don't feel like I've overstayed my welcome yet
I know I said that I wouldn't comment in this thread anymore. Forget that, I don't feel like I've overstayed my welcome yet
This is exactly what I was getting at with my comments on logic. The carnal mind tries to use logic to understand the concept of God. We will never understand God if we are not in the mind of Christ. We gain understanding of God and His ways by reading His word, but not only by this, but by living, and living in the word. The Holy Spirit, or Holy Ghost, is also a tremendous teacher of understanding and wisdom.
I know I said that I wouldn't comment in this thread anymore. Forget that, I don't feel like I've overstayed my welcome yet
I know I said that I wouldn't comment in this thread anymore. Forget that, I don't feel like I've overstayed my welcome yet
How is it not forcing people to follow his rules when he imposes literally the worst possible consequence upon everyone who doesn't? You're neglecting that god made the consequences as cruel as possible when he could have done anything else instead, you're neglecting that god set us up in a situation in which we were all condemned to this consequence unless we follow him, and you're neglecting that in this situation, you need faith to believe. And on top of all that, god doesn't judge you on who you were as a person, he doesn't care about how good you were, how much you loved others, he only judges on whether or not your soul has been saved, which is really just being convinced by the correct religion. There's logical holes everywhere in this rationalization.
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Ok, you know what is good and what is bad? Right? Because you were taught this and have common sense what is good and bad. God gave even the unbelievers understanding a little what was good and bad, no excuse if you don't know the bible. In Jeremiah 31:33 I believe shows that even the unbelievers are aware what is good and bad because God gave everyone common sense....so how you know what is really good from truth comes from God...God could have said kill everyone because that's what I said but He didn't so people aren't doing it...what God says is good is good no excuse.