What do you believe 'hell' actually is?

[Crazy4GODword]

Acting morally and believing in the resurrection of Christ are two different things. People are being sent to hell for not believing that Christ rose from the dead, not because they were bad people. This justification is broken too.

You really didn't hear what I said, you know what is good but you refuse, God gives you guys chances, you have churches and pastors and Christians, evangelists but you can't have an excuse. Jesus was here for you to prevent hell but you are questioning it. It's simple, if you don't receive this free gift then your in hell it's fair completely:

 

[AnandaHya]

1 Corinthians 1:17-19
New King James Version (NKJV)
17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.

Christ the Power and Wisdom of God


18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:


“ I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”[a]

 

[See_KING_Truth]

Which means you have to accept that people are in hell right now because they didn't have faith, because from a human standpoint, your god didn't make sense. This just raises more ethical problems with hell.

I refuse to accept that people are in hell right now because that is a lie! How can the punishment come before the judgement? To be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

When people die their bodys return to the earth as dust and their spirit returns to God. People are not sent to hell right after the first death. Hell is a part of the second death

 

[timothy10]

God doesnt want people in hell -

"For God so loved the world ,that he gave his only begotten son ,that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,but have everlasting life." ( John 3:16 )

"for all have sinned,and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23 )

"But God commendeth his love toward us,in that,while we were yet sinners,Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8 )

God is more than patient with us he has given us so many chances so that we wont end up in hell.
but it is your decision to do what is right or what is wrong you cant blame God for what you do or your
decisions.
God did everything on are behalf now we have to do things on are own behalf .
God gave his only begotten Son,the Bible,the revelation,grace,repentance, etc....
now all we have to do is our part and live righteous and the way he wants us to live and we wont have to worry about hell.we shouldent even be worried about hell and more worried about making it to Heaven.

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

You really didn't hear what I said, you know what is good but you refuse, God gives you guys chances, you have churches and pastors and Christians, evangelists but you can't have an excuse. Jesus was here for you to prevent hell but you are questioning it. It's simple, if you don't receive this free gift then your in hell it's fair completely:

Yep, I take issue with this. It doesn't matter if we're good people, it doesn't matter how many we help, doesn't matter who we are at all, we're condemned simply for not believing. I could never bring myself to believe that god would impose such a cruel fate upon anyone simply for not believing in him. He created hell, he created the rules that condemn us all there.

He gave us everything but he couldn't have his actions make any sense to us? We are unconvinced by the stories of Jesus, we do not believe they are true, that is all we are guilty of. In fact you said it yourself, we question your beliefs, we don't just accept them, and that's our crime. I fail to understand what about that "crime" is so horrible that it causes anyone to deserve this fate.

Think about what you believe for a moment, think of all the good people in agony worse than anything you've ever experienced in your life, for billions of years all the way into eternity. Think about their suffering for just a second, can you imagine? How can you call this fair, how can you call this just, how can you call this anything but pure evil? I couldn't do what you have done, I couldn't possibly bring myself to think that anyone deserves hell, nor will I ever try to make myself (and I tried to force myself) believe something so detestable ever again. By the way, when I was 15, I still believed in hell, things have changed.

The bottom line for me : torture is sick and is never justified, especially when it's ETERNAL.

 

[NoahsMom]

What do you believe 'hell' actually is? Total seperation from God.

 

[Fidelis]

God doesnt want people in hell -

As far as I know, God is almight. That means he can prevent everyone from going to hell, and getting everyone out of hell, without even breaking a sweat.

 

[See_KING_Truth]

Yep, I take issue with this. It doesn't matter if we're good people, it doesn't matter how many we help, doesn't matter who we are at all, we're condemned simply for not believing. I could never bring myself to believe that god would impose such a cruel fate upon anyone simply for not believing in him. He created hell, he created the rules that condemn us all there.

He gave us everything but he couldn't have his actions make any sense to us? We are unconvinced by the stories of Jesus, we do not believe they are true, that is all we are guilty of. In fact you said it yourself, we question your beliefs, we don't just accept them, and that's our crime. I fail to understand what about that "crime" is so horrible that it causes anyone to deserve this fate.

Think about what you believe for a moment, think of all the good people in agony worse than anything you've ever experienced in your life, for billions of years all the way into eternity. Think about their suffering for just a second, can you imagine? How can you call this fair, how can you call this just, how can you call this anything but pure evil? I couldn't do what you have done, I couldn't possibly bring myself to think that anyone deserves hell, nor will I ever try to make myself (and I tried to hard to force myself) believe something so detestable ever again. By the way, when I was 15, I still believed in hell, things have changed.

The bottom line for me : torture is sick and is never justified, especially when it's ETERNAL.

Think about the suffering of Christ! The torment of this worlds sin put all on him! Feeling forsaken by God! Try to imagine that! I bet you can't... This suffering was taken head on, so that we do not have to suffer!!!!! Christ descended into hell and took the keys of hell and death. Christ died so that we could have a chance to live! This is the ultimate display of God's love for man.

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

Think about the suffering of Christ! The torment of this worlds sin put all on him! Feeling forsaken by God! Try to imagine that! I bet you can't... This suffering was taken head on, so that we do not have to suffer!!!!! Christ descended into hell and took the keys of hell and death. Christ died so that we could have a chance to live! This is the ultimate display of God's love for man.

You haven't actually responded to my argument, you've ignored all but a detail of a small supporting detail. But to it I will respond anyways. What happened to Christ according to the Bible is also horrible and should not be brought upon any man. However, Christ's suffering does not explain why every human ever born must be condemned to eternal hell unless they believe in the stories of Christ's resurrection. It doesn't begin to. There's also the little detail that hell is far worse than what Christ suffered, Jesus was tortured for one day before dying, and he didn't have to stay dead either, he resurrected. The people in hell will be there for trillions of centuries to the four hundredth trillionth power, except longer. This is worse.

 

[Pie]

As far as I know, God is almight. That means he can prevent everyone from going to hell, and getting everyone out of hell, without even breaking a sweat.

Here's my perspective, God is all powerful and perfect which means there are things God cannot do. He can't make a mistake like humans can. He also cannot do evil. He doesn't make His decisions based on human logic and emotion. He is all knowing.. Humans aren't even capable of using the full potential of their brains, so to try to tell God that we obviously understand justice better than him, would be arrogance. I believe hell is torture... because it is complete separation from God. I believe the flames mentioned are symbolic of judgement. This isn't to downplay hell. People who refuse God over and over again get what they've asked for their entire lives, eternal separation from Him. Because humans were created in God's image and created to be with God, our soul desires God, this would be the ultimate form of torture.

 

[timothy10]

Yep, I take issue with this. It doesn't matter if we're good people, it doesn't matter how many we help, doesn't matter who we are at all, we're condemned simply for not believing. I could never bring myself to believe that god would impose such a cruel fate upon anyone simply for not believing in him. He created hell, he created the rules that condemn us all there.

He gave us everything but he couldn't have his actions make any sense to us? We are unconvinced by the stories of Jesus, we do not believe they are true, that is all we are guilty of. In fact you said it yourself, we question your beliefs, we don't just accept them, and that's our crime. I fail to understand what about that "crime" is so horrible that it causes anyone to deserve this fate.

Think about what you believe for a moment, think of all the good people in agony worse than anything you've ever experienced in your life, for billions of years all the way into eternity. Think about their suffering for just a second, can you imagine? How can you call this fair, how can you call this just, how can you call this anything but pure evil? I couldn't do what you have done, I couldn't possibly bring myself to think that anyone deserves hell, nor will I ever try to make myself (and I tried to force myself) believe something so detestable ever again. By the way, when I was 15, I still believed in hell, things have changed.

The bottom line for me : torture is sick and is never justified, especially when it's ETERNAL.

why would a unbeliever be in heaven ?( God created the rules but people condemn themselves for not following the rules he created.God can create the rules as he has created all things but you cant blame him for lack of someone not following what is right.after all he only ask that we do right are best to please him even though we are not perfect. God gave everyone many chances to believe and come to him.if you believe in heaven then you should know there is a hell everthing will come to pass.

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

I've already thoroughly refuted any arguments claiming that nonbelievers choose hell, deserve it, and it's fair. I'm just getting the same thing repeated back to me as if I'd never responded in the first place. You're neglecting to think about this for yourself and instead just accepting that god is always right no matter what, even if you can't actually make a case that people deserve hell. I'm sick of having to say that no, human beings don't deserve to be put into the worst possible pain forever and ever repeatedly without anyone presenting any reason as to why we do. None of you deserve pain, nor do nonbelievers. This whole subject about torture is disgusting, the kind of appalling awfulness that's so bad you can't help but be drawn to the topic. I'm a little scared by how many of you look at nonbelievers and think "that person deserves as much pain as possible for as long as possible."

 

[See_KING_Truth]

You haven't actually responded to my argument, you've ignored all but a detail of a small supporting detail. But to it I will respond anyways. What happened to Christ according to the Bible is also horrible and should not be brought upon any man. However, Christ's suffering does not explain why every human ever born must be condemned to eternal hell unless they believe in the stories of Christ's resurrection. It doesn't begin to. There's also the little detail that hell is far worse than what Christ suffered, Jesus was tortured for one day before dying, and he didn't have to stay dead either, he resurrected. The people in hell will be there for trillions of centuries to the four hundredth trillionth power, except longer. This is worse.

What response are you looking for? Who are you to say what is worse? You don't believe in God or hell, at least by your claims.

 

[See_KING_Truth]

I've already thoroughly refuted any arguments claiming that nonbelievers choose hell, deserve it, and it's fair. I'm just getting the same thing repeated back to me as if I'd never responded in the first place. You're neglecting to think about this for yourself and instead just accepting that god is always right no matter what, even if you can't actually make a case that people deserve hell. I'm sick of having to say that no, human beings don't deserve to be put into the worst possible pain forever and ever repeatedly without anyone presenting any reason as to why we do. None of you deserve pain, nor do nonbelievers. This whole subject about torture is disgusting, the kind of appalling awfulness that's so bad you can't help but be drawn to the topic. I'm a little scared by how many of you look at nonbelievers and think "that person deserves as much pain as possible for as long as possible."

You act like that is what we want and what God wants. It is God's will that nobody should perish. You have got all of your ideas all wrong...Who said that quote anyway? You didn't quote that from any members.

 

[See_KING_Truth]

Now I am done here.

Luke 9:5
And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

 

[Fidelis]

I've already thoroughly refuted any arguments claiming that nonbelievers choose hell, deserve it, and it's fair. I'm just getting the same thing repeated back to me as if I'd never responded in the first place. You're neglecting to think about this for yourself and instead just accepting that god is always right no matter what, even if you can't actually make a case that people deserve hell. I'm sick of having to say that no, human beings don't deserve to be put into the worst possible pain forever and ever repeatedly without anyone presenting any reason as to why we do. None of you deserve pain, nor do nonbelievers. This whole subject about torture is disgusting, the kind of appalling awfulness that's so bad you can't help but be drawn to the topic. I'm a little scared by how many of you look at nonbelievers and think "that person deserves as much pain as possible for as long as possible."

This deserves an 'amen'

 

[NoahsMom]

What about what ppl CHOOSE?.....There is a choice, I have never looked at anyone and decided the deserved anything, havent walked a mile in their shoes so to speak.. I cant make a case for anyone deserving anything, nor, would I want to, however, we all have choices in life, good and bad, and we all have consequences.

 

[Fidelis]

What about what ppl CHOOSE?.....There is a choice, I have never looked at anyone and decided the deserved anything, havent walked a mile in their shoes so to speak.. I cant make a case for anyone deserving anything, nor, would I want to, however, we all have choices in life, good and bad, and we all have consequences.

The ability to choose is overrated. We are formed by our genetics, raising methods from our parents, our enviroment etc.

 

[Crypto]

I've already thoroughly refuted any arguments claiming that nonbelievers choose hell, deserve it, and it's fair. I'm just getting the same thing repeated back to me as if I'd never responded in the first place. You're neglecting to think about this for yourself and instead just accepting that god is always right no matter what, even if you can't actually make a case that people deserve hell. I'm sick of having to say that no, human beings don't deserve to be put into the worst possible pain forever and ever repeatedly without anyone presenting any reason as to why we do. None of you deserve pain, nor do nonbelievers. This whole subject about torture is disgusting, the kind of appalling awfulness that's so bad you can't help but be drawn to the topic. I'm a little scared by how many of you look at nonbelievers and think "that person deserves as much pain as possible for as long as possible."

God offers a free gift to EVERY human, and they reject it. They do choose their own fate. God would be just in sending every one of us to hell but thankfully He doesn't, He offers us the gift of salvation. Your post here is nothing but emotionalism. I don't think the doctrine of hell is pleasant by any measure, but sin has a consequence. If a Christian looks at an unbeliever that way they have some serious issues with Christlike compassion. Hell is an important part of presenting the gospel, but it needs to be done with compassion not smugness.

 

[Crypto]

The ability to choose is overrated. We are formed by our genetics, raising methods from our parents, our enviroment etc.

No, it's not. Every human alive has God's revelation by nature and conscience, they choose whether or not to reject the light they have been given.