What do you think about works?

[Blik]

Yeah Your right, I am so against you I ask you a question.

Sadly. Your refusal to answer that question is not against me. its against you.

When people KNOW answers to questions and are secure in faith. THEY ANSWER THEM.

they don’t answer and deflect like you always do when

1. They do not know the answer
2. Deep down inside. They know answering the question will prove themselves to be in error.

If you would read my post you would find I DID answer your questions.

I wish I could take back every post I gave to defend me. The Lord tells us to turn the other cheek to our enemies. The truths of the Lord do not need defending. The Christians of the first church had such enemies they were killed by their enemies, yet they did not fight back. They led the way for us. I must learn from them, you are not killing my literally, only attacking with words.

There seems to be a wave of fighting and quarrels, and they center on works. The truth of works will prevail, God will win, we need not fight that battle. I have searched this site to find out how and when so many have decided to zero in on me to fight and quarrel. I am so sorry for what I felt was my right to defend myself. I belong to the Lord, I am to turn the other cheek. God's word will prevail, I am absolutely nothing compared to the word of the Lord.

 

[Blik]

The above post you responded to at @eternally-gratefull

He, me and everyone on here reads scripture.
You don't need to tell all to read scripture.
We all know it's our guide, just as you do.
He, you and me and everyone on here have researched what scripture tells us about salvation.
We come to a conclusion the that it is the truth for us.
You say "Faith saves" yes that is true we all believe that.

"Surely you own a Bible, use it"
Was that a loving thing to say?
A loving thing to say to a fellow believer?

Has anyone on here said that to you?

No, all this trying to defend myself is wrong to do. I am to turn the other cheek to my enemies. I am only to love my enemies and with them well. I am sorry.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you would read my post you would find I DID answer your questions.

I wish I could take back every post I gave to defend me. The Lord tells us to turn the other cheek to our enemies. The truths of the Lord do not need defending. The Christians of the first church had such enemies they were killed by their enemies, yet they did not fight back. They led the way for us. I must learn from them, you are not killing my literally, only attacking with words.

There seems to be a wave of fighting and quarrels, and they center on works. The truth of works will prevail, God will win, we need not fight that battle. I have searched this site to find out how and when so many have decided to zero in on me to fight and quarrel. I am so sorry for what I felt was my right to defend myself. I belong to the Lord, I am to turn the other cheek. God's word will prevail, I am absolutely nothing compared to the word of the Lord.

No Blik.

You hardly ever answer anyones questions.

The fight is on judaism, and trying to put people under the law. And those who work to try to earn or maintain salvation.

Both are troubling issues.

 

[Blik]

No Blik.

You hardly ever answer anyones questions.

The fight is on judaism, and trying to put people under the law. And those who work to try to earn or maintain salvation.

Both are troubling issues.

I have determined to let you be my enemy and just allow it. God knows the truth, God will prevail.

 

[Gardenias]

Luk 14:26
If any go to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

The word is God is sharper than a two edged sword cutting twice on each swing front and back and God is a descerner of the heart ,which is decieful above all else.
People that take the word at one verse at a time to stab or wound another have NOT been practicing the Law of Christ.....which is LOVE!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have determined to let you be my enemy and just allow it. God knows the truth, God will prevail.

Yes he does know the truth

And you will answer for your sins one day.

 

[Blik]

Yes he does know the truth

And you will answer for your sins one day.

Christ has answered my sins, I have repented of sin and Christ wiped them out. I sinned as I answered your quarrels, and repented, they are wiped clean.

May the Lord keep you and bless you, may the Lord make his face shine upon you and give you peace.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Christ has answered my sins, I have repented of sin and Christ wiped them out. I sinned as I answered your quarrels, and repented, they are wiped clean.

May the Lord keep you and bless you, may the Lord make his face shine upon you and give you peace.

how about this?

I will leave you alone until the next time I disagree with your scripture. And next time you misrepresent someone and the next time you refuse to answer someone’s question?

 

[Gardenias]

Hmmmmmm WORKS!

Do you maintain your home,your car,your body?

SALVATION is a FREE gift,it can not be bought,sold nor worked for as we saw between Jacob and Esau. Jacob worked for two wives, a family and multiple cattle. Esau sold his blessing and his birthright.

If Jesus,the Father and the Holy Spirit are with and within us there will be acts done by us that verify we are his disciples bc we live under the new covenant and the law of Christ.

Any who want to obey the laws given to the Hebrew nation,knock yourselves out but be very sure you are under THE LAW OF CHRIST WHICH IS LOVE.

 

[Blik]

how about this?

I will leave you alone until the next time I disagree with your scripture. And next time you misrepresent someone and the next time you refuse to answer someone’s question?

Thank you!! When we discuss our separate interpretations of scripture it is not quarreling or falsely accusing, it is what the Lord blesses. We are to do this as Isaiah pointed out, but never with murder in our hearts or with quarreling.

I find bible study is a search for truth in scripture, and when others disagree with me it directs my search of scripture for truth. You and I disagree about the meaning of faith and works, that disagreement is not a bad thing. It simply sends us both to a deeper study of scripture to be sure we are looking at these things as God looks at them.

 

[Hone]

Here are the fruits of my spending the day with the WORD.
If we ask GOD to have our back, make sure we continually lean on his.
Roll away the stone that keeps the Lord from entering our lives, We all have blockages that prevent us from fully accepting & embracing Christ and his way of living
Don't get comfortable with compliments, They become like a wool blanket whose warmth we'll continue to seek.
We keep saying "I want to be like Christ", then let's BE like Christ, let's walk a mile in HIS shoes, just 1 mile at a time & because we know he cares for us, HE WILL WALK with us while we do it.
We can only study the Scriptures for so long, at some point we are going to have to prove that
1) that they are TRUE.
2) that they LIVE in our lives.

THE TIME FOR TALK IS OVER.

 

[Radius]

Won't those who live under the law be judged by the law? There is no more sacrfice for those that continue to live by the law (works).

 

[Icedaisey]

My friend did not believe in works so much that he did not read the book of Job for he thought it was Job as in work.

There's a TV pastor that pronounces the Book of Job in that same way. Job, rather than pronouncing it as, "Jobe". It's so cute.

 

[Radius]

Also: So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. 10 All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.”

 

[Icedaisey]

Won't those who live under the law be judged by the law? There is no more sacrfice for those that continue to live by the law (works).

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Do we serve God, and abide in his spirit and follow the leading of his Holy Spirit that guides, if there is no law that is commensurate with our Salvation? How do we serve God, commit to good deeds, works, if there is no law of God(Christ) in place?

1John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Matthew 7:12 “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Matthew 22:37-40 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
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By This Standard: The Authority of God's Law Today
By Greg L. Bahnsen

 

[Jackson123]

Please clarify what you mean by

"The fact I don't have love prove he is not in me and if he is not in email I am not save"

What is this love you mention and how does it manifest in you, what is the driving factor?

I believe salvation happen when we have faith in Jesus to the point we are abide in Him as what Jesus explain in john 15

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Verse 5 he that abide in Me(Jesus ) and I(Jesus) in him > bear fruit
Verse 6 not abide> cast into fire/ hell or unsave

How you know Jesus in you/saved > The fruit of love
That mean, no love mean no Jesus in mean not save verse 6/ hell

 

[Blik]

Won't those who live under the law be judged by the law? There is no more sacrfice for those that continue to live by the law (works).

If you live under the law you are not under grace. If you are under grace you are a Christian whose sins are forgiven by Christ. When you live by grace you put Christ in your heart with perfect faith in all Christ is and says. Christ says that if you love me you will obey me. If we listen to Christ with faith in this that Christ has told us it does not mean we are then "under the law" because we know the law teaches us how to obey Christ. We let the law guide us through faith in Christ, not faith in the law for salvation.

It is an error to believe Christ teaches lawlessness. If we did not let the law guide us then we would be lawless. We are dead to the law, the law has no ability to kill us for we have Christ. As scripture tells us: Psalm 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.

 

[Ogom]

Won't those who live under the law be judged by the law? There is no more sacrfice for those that continue to live by the law (works).

God does not desire sacrifice (o.t.) but for us to do his will / seek His face.

"for now we see through a glass darkly, but then .........."

 

[Ogom]

God does not desire sacrifice (o.t.) but for us to do his will / seek His face.

"for now we see through a glass darkly, but then .........."

Christ being the perfect law- keeper / follower of God -- to follow Christ (be His disciple -- a believer in - Him -- the Lawful One) means we will need to become -- Law-Ful (over time, with God's help -- but our choice to follow/ believe Him fully or half -ly -- lukewarm, not picking up our cross -- enough / i.e. not be- liev - ing in Him -- enough ).

 

[TMS]

There are 2 faults we need to be careful of...
The first error is trying to work your way to heaven. Our greatest efforts can not bring us into harmony with God. God came to rescue us by grace and it is faith in that gift of grace by which we are saved.
The second error is thinking that we are free from keeping Gods commandments, that we can continue in sin and break the law because God's grace will cover our sins.

1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

We do not earn salvation by our obedience; for salvation is the free gift of God, to be received by faith. But obedience is the fruit of faith. “Ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him.” 1 John 3:5,6