What does it mean that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?

[InSpiritInTruth]

Its why Jesus as a man could say the Father was greater than He. As the Father is greater than all men. Its why as a man He could say He was going to His God

Clearly you do not understand the mystery between the Father and His Son. The Father was greater than Christ even before Christ (the Word of God) was made flesh.

Again---->>>1 Corinthians 11:3.....the head of Christ is God.

Christ is shown as the Rock......

2 Samuel 22:3
The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.


2 Samuel 22:47
The Lord liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation.

Notice Paul refers to Christ as the Rock.....

1 Corinthians 10:1-4

10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."

Notice what David said of His Rock=Christ and below by calling Him Lord, and what Jesus says about Himself and whose Son is He?



Matthew 22:41-46

[SUP]41 [/SUP]While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

[SUP]42 [/SUP]Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

[SUP]43 [/SUP]He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

[SUP]44 [/SUP]The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

[SUP]45 [/SUP]If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

[SUP]46 [/SUP]And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions."

So again we see by scripture that Christ, the Son of God was around before Christ was made flesh in Jesus.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Proverbs 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

 

[Adstar]

Luke 1: KJV
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

At this point I want to change gears so to speak and deal with what you keep doing in your post. That is you saying "The Son = the Word of God." It's pretty obvious to me that you are saying the Son is the spoken word of God.

If you will notice in my posts I use a capital "W" for the Word of God, and a small "w" when speaking of the words of God. But here's the thing, the Word of God speaks the words of God, so you need to believe in both.

John 3:34
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

 

[Grace777x70]

Sanctified isn't a position like "justified" because we aren't automatically reckoned as separated from the world. We are in the world but are commanded not to be of it. We have to "be ye separate". It's a process; an action on our part as Paul's 2nd letter says.

Sanctification = coming out from the world to become holy to God; separating ourselves from it

Scriptures say that sanctification is both a position of reality in our new creation in Christ and then there is a working out outwardly in our behavior to reflect what has happened inside.

This is what I believe the grace of our Lord Jesus has to say about "sanctification"..the word itself means = "to be set apart"

We are perfectly sanctified in Christ now....very true....we as an identity the new creation in Christ will never be more holy....

However there is a "sanctifying" of our behavior that is on-going that reflects our true nature in Christ...so in essence...we are becoming outwardly who we really are in our inner man which is in Christ.

God sets apart ( sanctifies ) our attitudes and actions outwardly but you are 100% set apart ( sanctified ) as a person..the real you in your inner man..the new creation in Christ.

Hebrews 10:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

( who are sanctified this is present passive..passive is that something is being done to you ...the Spirit of the Lord in us changing us. )

Here is what Jesus told Paul on the road to Damascus....having been sanctified ( perfect passive ).

Perfect tense =The perfect tense in Greek is used to describe a completed past action which produced results which are still in effect all the way up to the present. This is continuously happening in the present.

Passive means something is being done to you - you are not doing it.

Acts 26:17 (NASB)

[SUP]18 [/SUP] to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.' (perfect passive )

It is obvious from scripture that we are to walk out the holiness that is in us.

There is a difference between us as a person being "set apart" ( sanctified in our spirit ) and "setting apart " ( sanctifying ) our behavior.

1 Peter 1:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;

[SUP]16 [/SUP] because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."

 

[Grace777x70]

Hebrews 10:14 is a good passage, but the Greek says ἁγιαζομένους. or hagiazomenous (from the root verb hagiazó; meaning "to sanctify; set apart as holy") = "being sanctified".

The word translated as "has perfected" is also interesting. It's τετελείωκεν or "teteleiōken" (from the root verb teleioó, meaning "to bring to an end; to complete") = "should be brought to full development".

So the passage reads...


Hebrews 10:14
14 For by one offering He shall bring to full development for all time those being sanctified.


It's future tense with future perfect tense, giving a significantly different message than what our English translations provide. And notice how this version perfectly marries another well-known passage; Philippians 1:6: "he who began a good work in you will complete it unto the day of Christ".

Oppps...sorry...I didn't see this post before I responded to your last one because I posted the scriptures that show we are both sanctified and are being sanctified in our outward behavior.

In what I see in scriptures there is most definitely a "positional sanctification" that is in our new creation in Christ - which has been created in righteousness and holiness....and there is a working of this out too

Where does it say that this is used in the "future perfect tense" in Greek in Heb. 10:14. Or is this your own thoughts on it? That I can accept....

This construction is very rare and there is no evidence that I can see of this in Heb 10:14.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Clearly you do not understand the mystery between the Father and His Son. The Father was greater than Christ even before Christ (the Word of God) was made flesh.

Again---->>>1 Corinthians 11:3.....the head of Christ is God.

Christ is shown as the Rock......

2 Samuel 22:3
The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.


2 Samuel 22:47
The Lord liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation.

Notice Paul refers to Christ as the Rock.....

1 Corinthians 10:1-4

10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."

Notice what David said of His Rock=Christ and below by calling Him Lord, and what Jesus says about Himself and whose Son is He?



Matthew 22:41-46

[SUP]41 [/SUP]While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

[SUP]42 [/SUP]Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

[SUP]43 [/SUP]He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

[SUP]44 [/SUP]The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

[SUP]45 [/SUP]If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

[SUP]46 [/SUP]And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions."

So again we see by scripture that Christ, the Son of God was around before Christ was made flesh in Jesus.

LOL. Yep, God has always been "around", and Jesus Christ IS God.

 

[1ofthem]

Yes the scriptures confirm that the Son was begotten again, meaning He was alive before His death and resurrection....

Acts 13:33
God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee."

Again the Word=the Son is the firstborn of all creation....Colossians 1:15-17

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

And then we see the only begotten Son is not only the beginning, but is also begotten again from the dead to be the firstborn from the dead....

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."

Below we see the Son is mentioned as making the worlds=creating all things.

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

This confirms the Son (the Word) was with the Father(God) in the beginning,(John 1:1) and Jesus confirms below, before the world was....

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


John 17:24
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Yes, we see this in Genesis where it is talking about creation: Genesis: 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

He said let US make man in OUR image.

 

[garee]

Clearly you do not understand the mystery between the Father and His Son. The Father was greater than Christ even before Christ (the Word of God) was made flesh.

Again---->>>1 Corinthians 11:3.....the head of Christ is God.

Christ is shown as the Rock.....

Great point. Greater in respect to position, having different purposes, of one God.who performs one work of one faith, of God. Therefore having it in respect to the two attributes as metaphors needed to explain the one work, of one faith, of God .
Attributes and not persons, as if there was two Gods.

Faith without works is dead. The one work of faith is revealed by two attributes. They are used as metaphors, like the lamb of God .God is not a man as us just as in the same way, He is not a lamb .

As the father worked in agreement with the Son, ogether they mutually created the peace of God which surpasses all human understanding. Therefore we have a perfect work of mutual submission in the God head. God in respect to attributes called Father, poured out the cup of His wrath intended for us on the Son of man. This was used for a one time demonstration as the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world and rested on the Sabbath. The rest He created for us is demonstrated at Calvary.

The actual finished work completed from the foundation of the world.

A perfect example of God speaking to God as God contemplating within Himself and carrying the will out.This demonstration was for our benefit , not for Himself . As David said said by the Holy Ghost, speaking of one God, one Lord : "The Lord said to my Lord",

Again as way God contemplating . He is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul please in that way For He performs that which is appointed to us (salvation) as an imputed righteousness. It is He who makes our heart soft, by creating in us a new heart and spirit so that we can hear Him and turn towards Him, so that we then can repent

The beginning of the three day work typified as Father and Son as their mutual labor of love called "the heart of the earth", beginning in the garden

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.Luk 22:42

Father and Son are the making of one Holy Spirit, called Christ. This is in purpose and person. God is of one mind He is His own counselor. He uses words like Father and Son to show us how His faith works in us to both will and do His good pleasure. God is not a man as us. We walk by faith.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, "one faith", one baptism.

 

[OneFaith]

If you are a man, you are physically the son of both your mother and your father. But spiritually Jesus is the son of only the Father- therefore, everything the Father is, the Son is also. Now physically, and only physically, Jesus had a mother- therefore, physically, He is the son of mankind (human). We are not our bodies, our soul is IN our body- which we use as a vehicle to navigate through this physical world. Mary gave birth to a physical body- not to the soul in that body- therefore she is not the mother of Deity.

God the Father IS the only nature that Jesus' soul came from- therefore, unlike us, Jesus is also Deity (God). There is a difference between me having a child, and me creating a robot to whom I could make come alive and think for itself (if I were able to). The difference is it didn't come from my body, my nature. But Jesus is of the Father directly, whereas we are of the Father by adoption.

 

[garee]

He said let US make man in OUR image.

Amen out of one creation He made two persons. Two in the number he uses to represent the church, in respect to her husband, Christ and his bride the church . Let US make man in OUR image as if we were two.

Adam and Eve make one creation, it as a parable is used to represent a father and a Son.( the us) as one God.

For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Eph 5:31

 

[OneFaith]

If I made a robot, I would make it in my physical image- it would have arms, legs, eyes, mouth, etc. We are made in God's spiritual image- meaning we have a soul. Does this mean animals don't have souls? Not nessesarily. Demons are souls. I think that it means something more specific than just "soul." But definitely not deity.

(Sorry, I meant for this to be a response to a post, not to the title.)

 

[bluto]

Again isit, I gave the reason why God the Father was greater than Jesus Christ based on Philippians 2:5-9. This is also why the Bible says at Hebrews 2:7, "Thou hast made Him FOR A LITTLE WHILE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS." But, at Hebrews 1:6 it says, "And when He again brings the first-born intoi the world, He says, "AND LET ALL THE ANGLES OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."

So tell me isit, how are you going to reconcile Philippians with the two Hebrew verses since they "appear" to be contradictory?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Again isit, I gave the reason why God the Father was greater than Jesus Christ based on Philippians 2:5-9. This is also why the Bible says at Hebrews 2:7, "Thou hast made Him FOR A LITTLE WHILE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS." But, at Hebrews 1:6 it says, "And when He again brings the first-born intoi the world, He says, "AND LET ALL THE ANGLES OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."

So tell me isit, how are you going to reconcile Philippians with the two Hebrew verses since they "appear" to be contradictory?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I don't see a contradiction in those verses. The Son of God came in the spiritual likeness (form or nature) and spiritual image of the invisible God, but Jesus also took on the form of a servant, and the form of a man.

Hebrews 2:9-13

[SUP]9 [/SUP]But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me."

Again notice in the above both Son and Father are mentioned, and compare the "given me" here to Jesus' words below--->>>


John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


John 6:65
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.


John 17:11
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.


John 17:24
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world."

And then in Hebrews 1 notice the Son is again shown as the firstbegotten when He comes into the world...

Hebrews 1

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."

So I don't see a contradiction in all those verses, but rather harmony.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I don't see a contradiction in those verses. The Son of God came in the spiritual likeness (form or nature) and spiritual image of the invisible God, but Jesus also took on the form of a servant, and the form of a man.

Hebrews 2:9-13

[SUP]9 [/SUP]But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me."

Again notice in the above both Son and Father are mentioned, and compare the "given me" here to Jesus' words below--->>>


John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


John 6:65
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.


John 17:11
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.


John 17:24
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world."

And then in Hebrews 1 notice the Son is again shown as the firstbegotten when He comes into the world...

Hebrews 1

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."

So I don't see a contradiction in all those verses, but rather harmony.

God alone is worthy of worship.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

God alone is worthy of worship.

That is what the Muslims say as well. But if one does not honor the Son (Word) of God, they also do not honor God.

John 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The true worshipers of God shall worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. God is Spirit, and the words of God are also Spirit, and are Truth, and Life.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[FreeNChrist]

That is what the Muslims say as well. But if one does not honor the Son (Word) of God, they also do not honor God.

John 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The true worshipers of God shall worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. God's is Spirit, and the words of God are also Spirit, and are Truth, and Life.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

God alone is to be worshipped.

 

[bluto]

Well then isit, how is God the Father or in what respect is God the Father greater than Jesus Christ? Just tell me why? And what is the reason God the Father is the head of Jesus Christ? Finally, at John 1:1 do you believe the "Word" is the spoken word of God the Father?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Well then isit, how is God the Father or in what respect is God the Father greater than Jesus Christ? Just tell me why? And what is the reason God the Father is the head of Jesus Christ? Finally, at John 1:1 do you believe the "Word" is the spoken word of God the Father?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I already told you why earlier, just think about who is greater in a natural relationship between a father and a son. A father gives birth to a son by way of his seed. Christ, the Word, is also shown as the One seed.


Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Luke 8:11
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Also I already told you about the Word being the Son with a capital "W". In John 1 we know that is speaking of the Word personified because verse 4 says "In him was life". Also the Son is shown as God in scripture--->>>

Psalm 45:6-7

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."

Christ (the Son of God) was anointed by God the Father, same confirmed here again--->>>>

Hebrews 1:8-9

[SUP]8 [/SUP]But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."




Hope that helps. Peace

 

[bluto]

You still don't get it sword and I will use your example to prove you don't get it. A father is greater in 'POSITION" to his son because the father (and mother) is rasing the son and taking care of him. The Father is "NOT" better than the son because the son has the same nature as his parents. Again, and I have said this numerous times that it is a universal law that a son has the same nature as its father. Who is the Father of Jesus Christ?

The President is greater in position than you and I but he is not better than you and I yet we all have the same exact nature which is human. In like manner God the Father is greater than Jesus Christ in position because Jesus Christ who was always God according to Philippians 2:5-9 lowered Himsefl to the position of a servant. This is why Hebrews 2:7 says, "Thou hast made Him FOR A LITTLE WHILE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS."

And before that this is what God says at Hebrews 1:6,8, "And when He again brings the first-born into the , He says, "And let ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM. vs8, But of the Son He says, Thy Throne O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER, and the righteous scepter of His kingdom."

So you have Jesus Christ becoming a man for a little while and you have God saying the angels are to worship Him and God calls His Son "O GOD." Not "a god" not some Divine entity as you say sword, God. And there are others scriptures that back up the fact that Jesus Christ is God. The problem is that you don't believe them?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto