What does it mean to "abide" in Christ? (John 15:1-8)

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Let me make this simple. The word abide means to stay, remain, accept or act according to a rule or recommendation, obey, observe follow, adhere to, stick, acknowledge, accept, respect and continue.
Some of those are listed from the lexicon I use, but the context of the verse or passage is how we determine which one. I believe in this case "continue" is the best choice, although others could be considered.

μένω
menō
men'-o
A primary verb; to stay (in a given place, state, relation or expectancy): - abide, continue, dwell, endure, be present, remain, stand, tarry (for), X thine own.
 
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Faith requires action?? Nop. that's opinion
Faith results to action that's in the Bible.:rolleyes:
Faith only results to action if you act on it. Remember many are called but few are chosen (Matthew 22:14).

James 2:14-26 Faith, if it haws not works, is dead, being alone:


14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.


18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
 
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Ezekiel 18:29 - But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right? But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right?

Ezekiel 33:13 - When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his OWN righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. Did you read that? "If he trusts in his OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS."

This is the heart of the matter here. This is describing a righteousness which is by the law rather than that which is by faith. The New Testament states in Romans 10:3 - "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that BELIEVES.

As James Fawcett Brown points out - righteous--one apparently such; as in Matthew 9:13, "I came not to call the righteous," that is, those who fancy themselves righteous.
Read what the whole text is all about. It is talking about if a righteous man turns from being righteous and do that which is not lawful by committing iniquity, all he's righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered. Likewise if a wicked man repent and restore he's pledge and keep the commandments and do that which is lawful and right he shall surely live.

Here is the sound-bite that you take out of context : trusts in his OWN righteousness.
What you forget to mention is:
and commits iniquity.

Lets read the verses again:

Ezekiel 33:13-14
When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. I evenHighlighted the words for you. Here is the whole text again.


Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 12Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for hisrighteousness in the day that he sinneth. 13When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.14Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right; 15If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shallNOT die. 16None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.17Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal. 18When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.19But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, anddo that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby. 20Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.

Amazing how you can stop in the middle of the verse which highlights that the righteous man started committing iniquity and turn it into whole different private interpreted meaning. By doing like that you can basically make the bible say what ever you want in all matters.
 
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In Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and accidentally fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21 not the righteous, who are born of God - 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9.

The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 seems to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is a term often applied to Christians; it is the verb form of the adjective "holy") really just means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation. In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "made holy" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved).

A non-Christian can be "set apart" and from other non-Christians and sinful things without experiencing salvation as Paul clearly explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the Sabbath was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) and many other things that just do not line up with Scripture.

In verse 39, the author sets up the contrast that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

So after considering the context, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as an active participant in the Christian community of believers, but who has subsequently committed apostasy by renouncing his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and by repudiating the work and the person of Christ himself. Such a person’s apostasy is thus evidence that his identification with the Christian community was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.
It does not say anything about such persons faith having only been superficial or that he was never a believer, but rather that we was sanctified by the blood of the covenant. How do you suppose the falling away is supposed happens ? In order to fall away you already have to be in it. Do you believe that if you have believed once you can not fall short of the grace of God ?
 
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I believe every believer has fallen short of the grace of God at some point in our lives. To fall short of the grace of God is to fall back into "doing" things to maintain righteousness instead of believing on Christ's righteousness alone. Paul talks about this a lot in Galatians we the Judaizers were coming in trying to get the gentiles to follow the law of Moses instead of the hearing of faith for righteousness. Galatians 5:1-14

The falling away is all about those that are trying to "do things" for righteousness and not relying on Christ's righteousness alone and it can be clearly seen in 1 Tim 4:1-6 when we read this scripture "in context".
 
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Read what the whole text is all about. It is talking about if a righteous man turns from being righteous and do that which is not lawful by committing iniquity, all he's righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered. Likewise if a wicked man repent and restore he's pledge and keep the commandments and do that which is lawful and right he shall surely live.

Here is the sound-bite that you take out of context : trusts in his OWN righteousness.
What you forget to mention is:
and commits iniquity.

Lets read the verses again:

Ezekiel 33:13-14
When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. I evenHighlighted the words for you. Here is the whole text again.


Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 12Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for hisrighteousness in the day that he sinneth. 13When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.14Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right; 15If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shallNOT die. 16None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.17Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal. 18When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.19But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, anddo that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby. 20Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.

Amazing how you can stop in the middle of the verse which highlights that the righteous man started committing iniquity and turn it into whole different private interpreted meaning. By doing like that you can basically make the bible say what ever you want in all matters.
Lets read this one and see if it is spelled out more clearly for you.

[h=1]Romans 5:17-21 (KJV)[/h] [SUP]17 [/SUP]For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Or just one verse making it harder to be confused.


[h=1]Philippians 3:9 (KJV)[/h] [SUP]9 [/SUP]And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
 

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Amazing how you can stop in the middle of the verse which highlights that the righteous man started committing iniquity and turn it into whole different private interpreted meaning. By doing like that you can basically make the bible say what ever you want in all matters.
Once again, this is a righteousness which is by law rather than which is by faith. Amazing how you completely ignored Romans 10:3 which says trusts in his OWN righteousness, just as Ezekiel 33:13 says trusts in his OWN righteousness.
 

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Please see 1John 2 and 2John
and remember that there were many who "went out".

1John 2 (those who REMAIN IN HIM)
2John (those who go out from HIM, progress above HIM)

is the very difference between those who abide IN CHRIST (for the student is NEVER above the TEACHER, and the servant is NEVER above the MASTER)...and those who don't..
 

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It does not say anything about such persons faith having only been superficial or that he was never a believer, but rather that we was sanctified by the blood of the covenant.
Once again, the reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 seems to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is a term often applied to Christians; it is the verb form of the adjective "holy") really just means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation. In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "made holy" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved).

Verse 39 says - But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, IN CONTRAST WITH - but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul (never a genuine believer) and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

How do you suppose the falling away is supposed happens ? In order to fall away you already have to be in it. Do you believe that if you have believed once you can not fall short of the grace of God ?
You don't have to be a genuine believer in order to fall away. Those who depart have a shallow believing, without root in the heart, that was never firmly established from the start. This kind of believing does not bring salvation. It's obvious that those "Hebrews" who were "overthrown" in the wilderness were not genuine believers (Jude 1:5).

It's obvious that they did not have that change of heart described in Jeremiah 32:40, the results from it are they "shall not depart from me." Sure these Israelites wanted to escape bondage to slavery and they set out to follow Moses based on their set of expectations, but when the going got tough, where was their true committment to God? They demonstrated their unbelief through their disobedience over and over again.

In Hebrews 12:15, we read - See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God.. (NASB) The ESV reads - ..fails to obtain the grace of God. Never saved.

In 1 John 2:19, we read about those who fell away. - They went out from us, but they were not of us; (just like those Hebrews in chapter 10 that drew back to perdition and did not believe to the saving of the soul) for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
 
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Please see 1John 2 and 2John
and remember that there were many who "went out".

1John 2 (those who REMAIN IN HIM)
2John (those who go out from HIM, progress above HIM)

is the very difference between those who abide IN CHRIST (for the student is NEVER above the TEACHER, and the servant is NEVER above the MASTER)...and those who don't..
They "went out" because they didn't believe the gospel of Christ (they were lost, the disciples were saved), not because they chose not to "abide" (continue being a disciple). There are no stipulations or conditions connected to Gods grace. People can be saved but not "disciples". Jesus was teaching His disciples (just before He left them) to continue with Him after He was gone. Their salvation was already there, but He was telling them to bear fruit they had to continue as disciples. Remember salvation is not contingent on what we do, but what we believe and accept. Read this in Romans 5.


Romans 5:17-21 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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I believe every believer has fallen short of the grace of God at some point in our lives. To fall short of the grace of God is to fall back into "doing" things to maintain righteousness instead of believing on Christ's righteousness alone. Paul talks about this a lot in Galatians we the Judaizers were coming in trying to get the gentiles to follow the law of Moses instead of the hearing of faith for righteousness. Galatians 5:1-14

The falling away is all about those that are trying to "do things" for righteousness and not relying on Christ's righteousness alone and it can be clearly seen in 1 Tim 4:1-6 when we read this scripture "in context".
No I must strongly disagree with you. The falling away has all to do about going back to a sinful lifestyle after having been washed by the word and forgiven by Christ. It has nothing to do about someone trying to be obedient to the law of God. This is beginning to be ridiculous. Are you serious ? Keeping the commandments causes you to fall short of the grace of God after being forgiven ?

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
 
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These are the New Covenant commandments.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Galatians 5:1-14 reveals exactly what having fallen from Christ means in context.


Galatians 5:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace
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This was said to them after they became believers in Christ.

You have turned from grace and are trying to earn God’s favor. That stops God’s power and makes all that Jesus provided of no effect in your life. The antidote is to get back into the grace of God by putting faith in what Jesus did for you and not in what you are doing for Him

The expression “you are fallen from grace” “should be understood not in the sense that grace has been taken away from them, but in the sense that they have turned their backs on it. One may also say ‘you have put yourself in a place where God cannot be good to you, or show you His goodness’” (UBS Handbook, p. 122).

“Fallen from grace” is not speaking about the Armenian doctrine of losing salvation by one’s sins; rather, it is speaking of turning from the method of salvation (grace) to seeking salvation by another way which in the case of the Galatians listening to the Judaizers telling them to do things from the law of Moses.

We live now by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, the law of love, the law of faith, the law of liberty, the law of Christ Himself in us.
 
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aaagghh, really, it is to trust in His word written and spoken, I mean God talk is crazy talk, He will tell you to start a business when you just bounced a check, the bible can't tell you that.
 

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They "went out" because they didn't believe the gospel of Christ (they were lost, the disciples were saved), not because they chose not to "abide" (continue being a disciple). There are no stipulations or conditions connected to Gods grace. People can be saved but not "disciples". Jesus was teaching His disciples (just before He left them) to continue with Him after He was gone. Their salvation was already there, but He was telling them to bear fruit they had to continue as disciples. Remember salvation is not contingent on what we do, but what we believe and accept. Read this in Romans 5.


Romans 5:17-21 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
If they didn't "believe" they were never in HIM to begin with..which is why they were made manifest that they were never with us.

If they had been, they would never have gone out...they would have, pressed on and persevered by their faith IN HIM...

By the way, CHRIST command was to make disciples of every nation.
People who are saved by faith in HIM, are IN HIM...first and foremost...
Now if they grow in their knowledge and discipline their vessels and bring everything into submission under HIM, that is another thing.

But to REMAIN in HIM isn't an active work sir...it is simply resting in HIM and trusting in HIS SOVEREIGN control in all seasons...

And finally, Jesus was teaching HIS disciples (all HIS disciples: those yesterday, those today, and those tomorrow to wait for the Promise/The Comforter whom HE would send from THE FATHER, who would lead us to ALL TRUTH...
 
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If they didn't "believe" they were never in HIM to begin with..which is why they were made manifest that they were never with us.

If they had been, they would never have gone out...they would have, pressed on and persevered by their faith IN HIM...
Was Judas with Him?
 
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Matthew 7:21-24 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
24“Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

Matthew 5:17-19
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men , and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: 15 Looking diligently lest and man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness spring up and trouble you, thereby many be defiled;
 
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Did Judas lay hands on the sick and they were healed did he not cast out demons?
 

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These are the New Covenant commandments.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Galatians 5:1-14 reveals exactly what having fallen from Christ means in context.


Galatians 5:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace
.

This was said to them after they became believers in Christ.

You have turned from grace and are trying to earn God’s favor. That stops God’s power and makes all that Jesus provided of no effect in your life. The antidote is to get back into the grace of God by putting faith in what Jesus did for you and not in what you are doing for Him

The expression “you are fallen from grace” “should be understood not in the sense that grace has been taken away from them, but in the sense that they have turned their backs on it. One may also say ‘you have put yourself in a place where God cannot be good to you, or show you His goodness’” (UBS Handbook, p. 122).

“Fallen from grace” is not speaking about the Armenian doctrine of losing salvation by one’s sins; rather, it is speaking of turning from the method of salvation (grace) to seeking salvation by another way which in the case of the Galatians listening to the Judaizers telling them to do things from the law of Moses.

We live now by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, the law of love, the law of faith, the law of liberty, the law of Christ Himself in us.
The present tense of the word "justified" implies that the Galatians were contemplating justification by the law. But had they fully come to that place yet? They were obviously getting side-tracked by legalistic teachers, but I don't see the words "lost salvation" there.

Galatians 3:3 reads: Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? The word "perfect" does not mean sinless, but complete, spiritual maturity. The middle voice implies "making yourselves perfect" by means of self effort. The present tense indicates that the action is in progress and that there is still time to correct the error.

If these Galatians lost their salvation and it was a done deal, then Paul would simply say you "lost your salvation" and I'm done with you. Instead, in verse 10, Paul said - I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.

In verse 12, Paul uses hyperbole - As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
 
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I'm not understanding your first couple of sentences



are you saying that Christ is the Holy Spirit...I'm not sure what you are saying...please explain...thanks
Yes one and the same. Christ means anointed .He is the one that anoints us from heaven with His teaching and as he comforts us and brings to our remembrance what he taught us through His word, as it which represents the faith of Christ teaches us has we abide in Him, the Holy Spirit.

Christ's Spirit, the Holy, is known by the Spirit of Christ because he alone is the teacher who dwells in the believer as tyo whose approval we are seeking. We are warned not to have the faith of Christ , the o anointing work of Christ that works in us in respect to persons(human) .

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
 

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Was Judas with Him?
Was Judas born again? Did he receive the Holy Spirit?
No...and didn't CHRIST say already that HE knew whom HE had chosen yet one was a devil...but this was to fulfill scripture, he who shares my bread has lifted his heel against Me.