What does it mean to "abide" in Christ? (John 15:1-8)

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Faith requires ACTION (Obedience to it), If we do not act upon our faith then that faith does not show forth Fruit. The fruit is the action that follows our faith. Faith without works(action) is dead faith (James 2:17). If you do not act upon your faith to be obedient to the Words of Christ which you claim to believe in then you are no longer abiding in He's Words. In other words you are showing yourself to not to be abiding in Christ. Jesus taught that all men repent of their sins and be obedient to the commandments (Matt 5:17-19, Matt 19:16, Luke 13:3). Which is to act upon your faith and showing fruit.
Faith requires action?? Nop. that's opinion
Faith results to action that's in the Bible.:rolleyes:
 

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Was just reading this passage today: Ezekiel 33:13. When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die.

If you're thinking you have to keep the law, and think you are righteous by doing it, what happens when you sin?

It's taken me some time to finally grasp, THANKS ENTIRELY TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, that by focusing on trying to NOT sin, instead of focusing on Jesus and loving everybody, was causing me to sin MORE.

THAT is THE freedom and light burden and easy yoke Jesus was talking about. Praise Jesus!!
 
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what you are saying here, is that you have NEVER broken ANY commandment...unlike those awful Israelites who just could not get their act together...what were they thinking? I mean all they had to do was be perfect...as God is perfect

perhaps you can enlighten us as to how you have achieved something no one in the history of the universe...save Jesus Christ Himself, has been able to achieve

So, does the scripture lie when it tells us we are under a curse if we put ourselves under law?

does John lie when he tells us that if we sin we have an advocate with the Father (the Holy Spirit as our lawyer and Jesus as our alibi) that if we confess our sins, He, God, is faithful and just to forgive us our sins?

stringing a gang of verses together simply means you are good at doing a topical search (right Angela? I seez you are making your way through this revealing thread :eek:)

Please read my post again. You need to take the bible in context and not use sound-bites of the text to exclude being obedient to the faith by keeping the commandments. I am not launching any "personal attacks", It just seems illogical to me when you reply with the questions and statements that I am already trying to explain as if it is not there, so I will try again:

"So, does the scripture lie when it tells us we are under a curse if we put ourselves under law?"

"does John lie when he tells us that if we sin we have an advocate with the Father (the Holy Spirit as our lawyer and Jesus as our alibi) that if we confess our sins, He, God, is faithful and just to forgive us our sins?"


John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

v 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Matthew 19:20-21 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up:what lack I yet? 21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Those that are under the "works" of the law are those who have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour through faith.

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Jesus Christ has redeemed the Israelites from the curse of being disobedient to the Law (Deuteronomy chap 28). That they might receive the promise of the renewal of the Spirit through faith to come back again to the Father. Read about the foolish virgins in Matthew 25. They were not obedient to the faith.

Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

 
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Faith requires action?? Nop. that's opinion
Faith results to action that's in the Bible.:rolleyes:
Faith results in action only when you let it, that is when we actually produce fruit based on our faith. Faith without works is called dead works (James 2:17).

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
 
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oh man...another prophet type. yeah...well, we ...that is all believers, have the Holy Spirit indwelling us and we do not need OT prophet types speaking to us



good derail by the way...
2 Timothy 4:2 [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

John 14:25
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

I have never claimed to be "another prophet" , it is He's Spirit that teach us all things, and gives us the desire to love and correct the saints.
 
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listen...you are not a teacher and you are certainly not my teacher

you are not preaching the word...for one thing, this is a discussion here...ask a mod if you are a teacher...no seriously...go ahead and ask

why is it you law folks don't go start your own threads? you come on threads started by folk who want to talk about Jesus or biblical topics and you law folk want to judge and tell us all we are ignorant and stupid and you tell us we are not saved and we sin and teach others to sin

you point your whitewash brush in everyone's face and copy/paste scripture that you cherry pick to sound like you know something

you are wasting your time and sadly think you are doing God's work

putting you on ignore where your friends already are
 
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Was just reading this passage today: Ezekiel 33:13. When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die.

If you're thinking you have to keep the law, and think you are righteous by doing it, what happens when you sin?

It's taken me some time to finally grasp, THANKS ENTIRELY TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, that by focusing on trying to NOT sin, instead of focusing on Jesus and loving everybody, was causing me to sin MORE.

THAT is THE freedom and light burden and easy yoke Jesus was talking about. Praise Jesus!!
You need to take the text in context see what God is saying here. You are using a sound-bite from the text to justify not being obedient to the faith by repenting and keeping the commandments. You are misrepresenting the text very much. Here is the whole text:

Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 12Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. 13When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.14Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right; 15If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall NOT die. 16None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.17[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal. [/FONT]18When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]19[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But if the [/FONT]wicked turn from his wickedness[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif], and [/FONT]do[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] that which is[/FONT] lawful and right[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif], he[/FONT] shall live thereby[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]. [/FONT]20[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will [/FONT]judge [FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]you every one [/FONT]after his ways.

Yes, Jesus Christ's yoke is easy and burden is light when we are forgiven and walk in the newness of life. Those who's yoke is hard and burden is heavy are for the ones walking in transgression.

John 8:31
31[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, [/FONT]If [FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ye [/FONT]continue [FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]in my word, [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]then are ye my [/FONT]disciples indeed;[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]32[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you [/FONT]free[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif].[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]v 34 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. [/FONT]35[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: [/FONT]but the Son abideth ever. 36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

You are not free indeed if you are still on in the bond of iniquity being a servant to your sins. A righteous man falls seven times, but what makes him righteous is that he rises and is not a slave to sin.

This is the solution to when we commit sin:

1 John 1:9
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 
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listen...you are not a teacher and you are certainly not my teacher

you are not preaching the word...for one thing, this is a discussion here...ask a mod if you are a teacher...no seriously...go ahead and ask

why is it you law folks don't go start your own threads? you come on threads started by folk who want to talk about Jesus or biblical topics and you law folk want to judge and tell us all we are ignorant and stupid and you tell us we are not saved and we sin and teach others to sin

you point your whitewash brush in everyone's face and copy/paste scripture that you cherry pick to sound like you know something

you are wasting your time and sadly think you are doing God's work

putting you on ignore where your friends already are
I think I have posted a lot of the Word to try to explain what it means to abide in Christ.

The name of the thread is: [h=2]What does it mean to "abide" in Christ? (John 15:1-8)[/h]
This is not about me trying to "sound like I know something", but about what the Word says.

Why would you put me on ignore ? If I am so wrong then correct my posts with the Word and expose my errors. But don't use sound-bites of the Word if it is misrepresenting its overall message to fit a personal opinion. I always want to be corrected. We are discussing the Word of God so we can learn from each other the Truth and answer the question of the thread.
 

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listen...you are not a teacher and you are certainly not my teacher

you are not preaching the word...for one thing, this is a discussion here...ask a mod if you are a teacher...no seriously...go ahead and ask

why is it you law folks don't go start your own threads? you come on threads started by folk who want to talk about Jesus or biblical topics and you law folk want to judge and tell us all we are ignorant and stupid and you tell us we are not saved and we sin and teach others to sin

you point your whitewash brush in everyone's face and copy/paste scripture that you cherry pick to sound like you know something

you are wasting your time and sadly think you are doing God's work

putting you on ignore where your friends already are
I think you are right sister. I simply don't have the stomach anymore to even entertain the Grace+ works for salvation people. Too much energy is spent on them. God bless those with the patience to deal with them. But I'm tired of being insulted by those thinking and stating that because my Salvation rests solely on the blood of Jesus and His resurrection, that it means I don't believe I should live a Godly life.

The inescapable fact is that before I completely embraced the Grace through the gift of faith by God, and tried and tried to stop sinful behavior, I simply couldn't.

Now, I love Jesus more every single day, and my brothers and sisters in Him more as well, and EVEN the desires of sins I struggled for yrs with, are fading away. All I really want to do is serve and Love Him.

So I don't need a huge doctrinal lesson from the Grace+ works people. I KNOW the Holy Spirit is working to conform me to be more and more Christ-like. I love and pray for them, but for me, ignore is the best option for now.
 

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Was just reading this passage today: Ezekiel 33:13. When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die.

If you're thinking you have to keep the law, and think you are righteous by doing it, what happens when you sin?

It's taken me some time to finally grasp, THANKS ENTIRELY TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, that by focusing on trying to NOT sin, instead of focusing on Jesus and loving everybody, was causing me to sin MORE.

THAT is THE freedom and light burden and easy yoke Jesus was talking about. Praise Jesus!!
Ezekiel 18:29 - But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right? But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right?

Ezekiel 33:13 - When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his OWN righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. Did you read that? "If he trusts in his OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS."

This is the heart of the matter here. This is describing a righteousness which is by the law rather than that which is by faith. The New Testament states in Romans 10:3 - "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that BELIEVES.

As James Fawcett Brown points out - righteous--one apparently such; as in Matthew 9:13, "I came not to call the righteous," that is, those who fancy themselves righteous.
 

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Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
In Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and accidentally fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21 not the righteous, who are born of God - 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9.

The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 seems to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is a term often applied to Christians; it is the verb form of the adjective "holy") really just means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation. In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "made holy" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved).

A non-Christian can be "set apart" and from other non-Christians and sinful things without experiencing salvation as Paul clearly explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the Sabbath was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) and many other things that just do not line up with Scripture.

In verse 39, the author sets up the contrast that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

So after considering the context, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as an active participant in the Christian community of believers, but who has subsequently committed apostasy by renouncing his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and by repudiating the work and the person of Christ himself. Such a person’s apostasy is thus evidence that his identification with the Christian community was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.
 

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Ezekiel 18:29 - But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right? But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right?

Ezekiel 33:13 - When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his OWN righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. Did you read that? "If he trusts in his OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS."

This is the heart of the matter here. This is describing a righteousness which is by the law rather than that which is by faith. The New Testament states in Romans 10:3 - "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that BELIEVES.

As James Fawcett Brown points out - righteous--one apparently such; as in Matthew 9:13, "I came not to call the righteous," that is, those who fancy themselves righteous.
Not sure if you thought otherwise, but I completely agree with you. My post was to basically say what you have said here.
 
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I think you are right sister. I simply don't have the stomach anymore to even entertain the Grace+ works for salvation people. Too much energy is spent on them. God bless those with the patience to deal with them. But I'm tired of being insulted by those thinking and stating that because my Salvation rests solely on the blood of Jesus and His resurrection, that it means I don't believe I should live a Godly life.

The inescapable fact is that before I completely embraced the Grace through the gift of faith by God, and tried and tried to stop sinful behavior, I simply couldn't.

Now, I love Jesus more every single day, and my brothers and sisters in Him more as well, and EVEN the desires of sins I struggled for yrs with, are fading away. All I really want to do is serve and Love Him.

So I don't need a huge doctrinal lesson from the Grace+ works people. I KNOW the Holy Spirit is working to conform me to be more and more Christ-like. I love and pray for them, but for me, ignore is the best option for now.

you know, I would rather be wrong and have some peace around here

honestly, from reading the posts, it seems this is a discussion that has brought out some thinking on the part of most of the posters...which means it's a good thread...thinking is good..God approves of thinking..He invented it LOL!

I so understand what you say about sinful behavior...and that lines up perfectly with what Paul states...the LAW highlights sin and all the thou shalt nots, seem to stir it up...just like Paul says in Romans

The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, Rom 5:20

I think that verse is saying that ONLY grace...God's grace....can deal with this sin problem humans cannot deal with on their own no matter how much they want to..and we know that grace is evidenced in God's sinless Son dying for us

I don't think we can love without God. The thing is, Jesus said that the one who has more forgiven, loves more...

So I don't need a huge doctrinal lesson from the Grace+ works people. I KNOW the Holy Spirit is working to conform me to be more and more Christ-like. I love and pray for them, but for me, ignore is the best option for now.


well, I'm pretty sure there is no grace & works doctrine to begin with LOL!...every person I have on ignore I have there because it is impossible to talk with them without them shoving verses about God's anger and righteousness and condemnation at me and everyone else...like, where's the Good News in that? Don't we have enough religions in the world with a god that cannot appeased?

well and sadly some on ignore that just cause ugly scenes and seem to want to simply argue without anything good to say

we can just keep on and do what we know is right to do...there is so much to be thankful for...including every breath we draw

For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Acts 17:28

 
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Not sure if you thought otherwise, but I completely agree with you. My post was to basically say what you have said here.
I was just elaborating on what you already said. We are both on the same page here. :)
 
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Christ is the anointing Holy Spirit of God,as the promised teacher comforter and Guide. As it His word that describes His faith.... teaches us we abide in Him .Not in men who would usurp His teaching authority . We are warned of the wile of the devil in respect to the antichrists (many the human form) in John 2 .It gives a clear picture of the fathers of lies, the antichrist,(one) who has no form, as to his motive of operation. As he attempts men to abide in him the god of this world , we offer up as it is written. He will flee again and again.

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have I written unto “you” concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it “hath taught you”, ye shall “abide in him” 1Jo 2:26
 
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Christ is the anointing Holy Spirit of God,as the promised teacher comforter and Guide. As it His word that describes His faith.... teaches us we abide in Him .Not in men who would usurp His teaching authority . We are warned of the wile of the devil in respect to the antichrists (many the human form) in John 2 .It gives a clear picture of the fathers of lies, the antichrist,(one) who has no form, as to his motive of operation. As he attempts men to abide in him the god of this world , we offer up as it is written. He will flee again and again.

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have I written unto “you” concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it “hath taught you”, ye shall “abide in him” 1Jo 2:26

I'm not understanding your first couple of sentences

Christ is the anointing Holy Spirit of God,as the promised teacher comforter and Guide. As it His word that describes His faith.... teaches us we abide in Him
are you saying that Christ is the Holy Spirit...I'm not sure what you are saying...please explain...thanks
 
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Faith results in action only when you let it, that is when we actually produce fruit based on our faith. Faith without works is called dead works (James 2:17).

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
You can't produce the fruit of the Spirit. It's His fruit and only He produces it. And that only as you abide in Christ.

To abide in Christ, we must first be "in Christ". When we are in Christ and abiding in Christ, we will, "bear much fruit" (1 John 15:5). We do not "produce much fruit", rather we, "bear much fruit"...and in doing so, we "walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, pleasing Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work" (Col.1:10).

To abide is just one of many differing facets of faith. To "reckon" is faith counting on the reality. To "submit" is faith yielding to authority. To "present" is faith offering ourselves to the rightful owner. To "rest" is faith enjoying God's activity. And to "abide" is faith remaining where God puts us.
 
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You can't produce the fruit of the Spirit. It's His fruit and only He produces it. And that only as you abide in Christ.

To abide in Christ, we must first be "in Christ". When we are in Christ and abiding in Christ, we will, "bear much fruit" (1 John 15:5). We do not "produce much fruit", rather we, "bear much fruit"...and in doing so, we "walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, pleasing Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work" (Col.1:10).

To abide is just one of many differing facets of faith. To "reckon" is faith counting on the reality. To "submit" is faith yielding to authority. To "present" is faith offering ourselves to the rightful owner. To "rest" is faith enjoying God's activity. And to "abide" is faith remaining where God puts us.
well said..love it.....thank you.
 

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Let me make this simple. The word abide means to stay, remain, accept or act according to a rule or recommendation, obey, observe follow, adhere to, stick, acknowledge, accept, respect and continue.
 
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Let me make this simple. The word abide means to stay, remain, accept or act according to a rule or recommendation, obey, observe follow, adhere to, stick, acknowledge, accept, respect and continue.
It doesn't matter for many people how much you try to explain to them, some people just don't get it. Their conscience is seared with a hot iron. The doctrine of hypocrisy is prophesied of and it is stronger than crack and heroin combined. People are so inured in this doctrine that they will fight to protect it from the Truth. Most people interpret and will continue to interpret and filter all biblical truth through the lens of thousands of years of religious hypocrisy. Their mind is made up and no amount of biblical truth is going to change it. But for those few who's eyes can see and ears can hear and recognize the truth, they will know the truth when they see it.

Matthew 15:14 [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
 
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