What does it mean to die to the world and law?

Apostol2013 · Dec 21, 2013

I learned through self discipline I was in constant error but when I fasted and prayed in the spirit one day the Lord visited me I felt the chains literally fall I felt them heard them fall as my LORD walked up to me . when the son set you free your free indeed now the discipline in my life in the spirit is due ton Jesus to the glory of the Father in turn my spirit is transformed I feel an behave as I should before my Lord

Josh321 · Dec 21, 2013

Apostol2013 said:

I learned through self discipline I was in constant error but when I fasted and prayed in the spirit one day the Lord visited me I felt the chains literally fall I felt them heard them fall as my LORD walked up to me . when the son set you free your free indeed now the discipline in my life in the spirit is due ton Jesus to the glory of the Father in turn my spirit is transformed I feel an behave as I should before my Lord

amen .

gotime · Dec 21, 2013

Sin does not come from the law. that is a misunderstanding of Paul's words. The law does not create sin. it reveals sin.

Why would God give the law in the first place if that creates the problem that makes Jesus die?

obviously sin was around before the law was written on stone. You must read everything Paul says on the subject to understand his view properly.

blessings.

Isdaniel · Dec 21, 2013

gotime said:

well said hmm many do not understand the devil committed idoltry murder lying stealing you name it hmmm broke God law in the heavens

Josh321 · Dec 21, 2013

gotime said:

when did you once hear me say this? false accusation much... all i said was if there was no law there wouldn't be any sin but because there is a law there is sin is that not true?

Manny21 · Dec 21, 2013

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Romans 12:2. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, [SUP]26 [/SUP]that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, [SUP]27 [/SUP]that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. Ephesians 5:25-27. I hope this helps anyone who reads it to read the word and do it so that you can walk in holiness and blameless before God.

Apostol2013 · Dec 21, 2013

The law came through disobedience but the law itself is not bad but because of the rebellion of Israel the law was put in place because of the hardened heart people had towards obedience and change they left Egypt but kept their customs because of the rebellion and constant provocation the law was set even the offerings of the sacrifice was not necessary but because of the lack of mans spiritual discernment there was a refusal of true change that was a matter of the heart towards God bringing in remembrance these people honor me with their lips but their hearts are so far away . but the issue is all scripture is good for learning and correction

RedTent · Dec 22, 2013

Josh321 said:

Dying to the world is pretty much as dying to the law of sin.. but i'll use scripture to back up my saying, we all know that the law of sin is the commandments, without the commandment they wouldn't be any sin, Galatians 2:19

19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

you see.. when we die to sin we die to the law also, because sin comes from the law, the law no longer has control over us because sin no longer has control over us, makes sense?

Romans 8:2

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

we are then under the spirit of the law which is christ Jesus himself, we now live for christ when we receive him.

doesn't it make sense though? if we die to sin we also die to the law because the law made sin, sin but now through christ Jesus sin no longer has control over us

Romans 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

i know a few people gonna ask this question so i'm just gonna get it out of the way before you do, " so what then are we free to commit adultery, steal etc etc " well of course not... you see when we receive christ we are a new being also our old man ( old person full of sin ) is dead and his nature is dead, and this new nature that we receive is a nature of God, so by nature we will live to please God no matter what, but you would have to experience this to know what i mean it's not easy to explain but that's how it is will just have to trust me, you see that is the power of God's grace sin will not have dominion over us
Romans 6:14

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

take a look at what is being discussed here please read it carefully and try to understand this passage and what it is trying to say

Romans 7:2-4

2For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

here paul is using this an example to show what happens between the law and christ, you see before we knew God we were bound by the law until we die, and when we die and put on christ we die to the law because sin has no dominion over us anymore it is dead, just like how if a woman husband dies he has no dominion over her anymore he has passed on she is free well it's the same thing with christ, i know most of you will just ignore most of what i said here but atleast it was worth an effort God bless

By misunderstanding what these scriptures are talking about, you are opening the world up to the devil. Seriously. It is saying we have forgiveness through Christ, so the law does not kill us. It is NOT saying that we can live without law.

If we are guided by our heart without the words of the Lord, including law, we put ourselves in danger.
Mat_15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

If we obey the law without having the law written in our heart as the new covenant tells us, it is the same danger.

Both are required.

Karraster · Dec 22, 2013

sa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

The Bible clearly says we need the testimony of Christ and the law written on our hearts. It's the mark/seal of God. It's voluntary, not grievous, for having a Christ like spirit we love God and want to do our Father's will.

Then we are dead to the law, as in we are guiltless because we love Jesus and obey His commandments. Before Christ came it was perceived to be a curse, since Christ we know we have the blood of Jesus to wash us clean perpetually. That does not give us license to knowingly break Law.

Karraster · Dec 22, 2013

Being dead to the world is not following man made traditions, regarding God instead.

Hizikyah · Dec 22, 2013

OP, are you sure Shaul says to be dead to something the Messiah continually says to do? Even in the FINAL REVELATION in Scripture????? (so we know its not "done away")

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

and something Shaul himself says we dont do away with????

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

homwardbound · Dec 22, 2013

Josh321 said:

Dead to trusting self and this world. Alive to trusting God in the Spirit of God by the resurrected Christ after the death in the flesh of Christ
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Death does not save us it leads us to the new life in the resurrected Christ and that is given by Father at the resurrected Christ, justified in the Spirit

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Hizikyah · Dec 22, 2013

homwardbound said:

Certainly no man can save himself, and thanks to Yahweh for Yahshua (Yahweh's Salvation!), on every level without Yahweh, Yahshua, and simply put mercy we would all be doomed.

Yeremyah 9:23-25, "This is what Yahweh says: Let not the wise glory in their wisdom, let not the mighty glory in their power, let not the rich glory in their riches; But let those who glory, glorify in this--that he understands and knows Me, that I am Yahweh Who exercises lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness in the earth; for in this I delight, says Yahweh. Behold, the days come, says Yahweh: that I will punish all those who are circumcised only physically, in their foreskins."

2Thewaters · Dec 22, 2013

yes

obedient in all things
dead to the world

"By whom we have received grace and apostleship,
for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:" Romans 1:5

"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" Romans 6:16

"For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf:
but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil." Romans 16:19

"But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets,
according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:" Romans 16:26

"Let your women keep silence in the churches:
for it is not permitted unto them to speak;
but they are commanded to be under obedience,
as also saith the law." 1 Corinthians 14:34

"And his inward affection is more abundant toward you,
whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all,
how with fear and trembling ye received him." 2 Corinthians 7:15

"Casting down imaginations,
and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God,
and bringing into captivity
every thought to the obedience of Christ;" 2 Corinthians 10:5

"And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled." 2 Corinthians 10:6

"Having confidence in thy obedience I wrote unto thee, knowing that thou wilt also do more than I say." Philemon 1:21

"Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;" Hebrews 5:8

"Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
through sanctification of the Spirit,
unto obedience ... 1 Peter 1:2

The true spirit o God teaches obedience to Gods word ALL of it.
this was written AFTER Jesus rose and went to heaven.

Josh321 · Dec 22, 2013

another reason, we die to the world and law of sin is true the power of Jesus, when we receive salvation we receive the power of christ to change our mind from darkness to light and we become a servant of christ, a servant have not a mind of his own but only listen to his master [h=3]John 12:46[/h]King James Version (KJV)

46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

read it carefully to grasp what this is saying

Manny21 · Dec 22, 2013

2 Peter 2:1-4 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, [SUP]3 [/SUP]as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, [SUP]4 [/SUP]by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
So what it's saying is that you can escape the corruption that is in the world through partaking of God's promises that are found in His word. And don't forget we must be hearers and doers of God's word because if we aren't it means we don't have a part in His family.
Luke 8:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then His mother and brothers came to Him, and could not approach Him because of the crowd. [SUP]20 [/SUP]And it was told Him by some, who said, “Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see You.”

[SUP]21 [/SUP]But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Mark 3:35
For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.

Josh321 · Dec 22, 2013

homwardbound said:

Dead to trusting self and this world. Alive to trusting God in the Spirit of God by the resurrected Christ after the death in the flesh of Christ
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Death does not save us it leads us to the new life in the resurrected Christ and that is given by Father at the resurrected Christ, justified in the Spirit

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Amen brother.

Josh321 · Dec 22, 2013

RedTent said:

i'm sorry i choose not to acknowledge this because you choose to not acknowledge the scriptures, if the bible said that those who accepted christ are dead to the law, what more is there to say and you wanna say i'm misunderstanding scripture
[h=3]Galatians 2:19[/h]King James Version (KJV)

19For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

[h=3]Romans 8:2[/h]King James Version (KJV)

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

[h=3]Romans 7:4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

if you don't like this take it up with GOD himself not me, and who dare would want to question the creator? and how can you tell me IM misunderstanding the SCRIPTURE when it CLEARLY SAID THOSE WHO RECEIVED CHRIST HAS DIED TO THE LAW OF SIN, that just shows alot if you don't feel the same way HAVE YOU DIED TO THE WORLD? you should really ask yourself that question, if you died to the world why did you say we need to keep the sabbath to be saved? and to any of you that did receive christ and still putting your faith in the law instead of christ you have fallen from grace

[h=3]Galatians 5:4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are
fallen from grace.

don't get angry at me FOR SHARING WHAT THE BIBLE SAID take it up with God and who are you to QUESTION the ALMIGHTY? who are any of us to do that?

RedTent · Dec 22, 2013

Josh321 said:

Why would you actually say this of me, when every post that I have replied to you is Josh, what you say is true but there are many scriptures you are not acknowledging? You must acknowledge all scripture, so you understand the ones you are quoting. You constantly say you read scripture as saying that if scripture mentions law, you must not read that scripture. I feel that is wrong. ALL scripture is breathed by God. EACH must fit into the whole picture of God. You can't pick out one set of scripture, as you are doing with ones that mention law, and understand. The scriptures you will read and will acknowledge are necessary, they are important, they are of God. But if you decide to exclude a whole teaching, your mind can't understand them properly.

gotime · Dec 22, 2013

Josh321 said:

You did indeed say that, maybe you meant something else but I can only go by what is written. here are your words.

"you see.. when we die to sin we die to the law also, because sin comes from the law, the law no longer has control over us because sin no longer has control over us, makes sense?"

"doesn't it make sense though? if we die to sin we also die to the law because the law made sin, sin but now through christ Jesus sin no longer has control over us"

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