What does it mean to *wrest* the Scriptures?

[Dan_473]

I was not referring to every aspect of the Reformation, since there were some things which were plainly ungodly (such as the persecution of other Christians).

What we need to see is this:

1. There is a time and a season for everything, and the invention of printing was coincidental with the Reformation, and the zeal to make the Bible available to the common man was coincidental with the many translations into the various European languages at that time.

2. God raised up some outstanding Christian reformers, scholars and theologians at that time who would make the Scriptures their primary authority, and the true Gospel their primary objective. Thus the Reformation swept across Europe in spite of Catholic opposition.

3. Regardless of all the criticisms directly against the traditional texts which were printed at that time, the fact remains that THE MAJORITY of Hebrew and Greek manuscripts examined since then clearly support the traditional Hebrew and Greek texts. That confirms the doctrine of the divine preservation of the Scriptures.

Interesting page about how Martin Luther felt about the book of James

http://www.bible-researcher.com/antilegomena.html

 

[JaumeJ]

Here is a good example of twisting the scriptures. When Jesus is talking of learning from Him He says it is because His yoke is easy and His burden is light.

The majority of people take the rest He promises us as replacing the Sabbath rest which is yet to com, but it is in reference to the teaching of hypocrites who lay heavy burdens upon us but will not lift a finger to do themselves.

 

[Lanolin]

Another example is saying an angel is not an angel its something else. GOd is not the author of confusion.
The Bible means what it says and says what it means. If an angel of the Lord says his name is Gabriel, then take his word for it, dont try and make out like he's the pre-incarnate Christ.

If a particular angel of the Lord doesnt want to say his name then what is the use of speculating what his name is. Just call him an angel of the Lord.

If Jesus is declared the Lamb of God at least 30 times in scripture, why take one verse that refers to the Lion of Judah and try to wrest it to make Jesus out to be a lion? Especially when its said many times over in scripture references to lions being like the devil prowling about hungry and seeking their prey.

When the elect and chosen of God refers to the people of Israel, why keep insisting that the chosen refers to the church calvinists belong to?

Yea am so fed up with the amount of scripture twisting and wresting people engage in on here.

 

[JaumeJ]

The angels with wings that I recall from the Word are seraphim and cherubs. As regarding those like Michael and Gabriel, nothing about wings is mentioned.

I do not sy angels, your ordinary ones, do not have wings, but I cannot say they do either for that would be going along with the crowd and not with the scriptures.

Angel is used in place of messenger, ghost and spirit. Other than these ligual uses for the word, I do not know. Please show where your every day and arch angels have wings?

 

[NayborBear]

It seems to me that you have misread Revelation 5:5. Here it is from the NIV:

Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

In case you missed the context, the elder is talking about Jesus. This refers back to Genesis 49:9, where it says, "You are a lion’s cub, Judah; you return from the prey, my son. Like a lion he crouches and lies down, like a lioness—who dares to rouse him?"

It is true that most of the references to lions in Scripture are negative, but not all.

Interesting your mentioning Gen.49. As this was where "what had been revealed" to Jacob, he passed on to his sons, concerning last days.

 

[NayborBear]

I basically agree with what Dino246 wrote. we can view the Reformation as an overall good thing, a move of God, without thinking that every aspect of it was approved of by God.

I think it would be similar to the case of Peter. We know that he was used by God to do things like open up the gospel to the gentiles. Yet, among the company of gentiles, he was charged by Paul with hypocrisy.

Sounds like you are defining that which "seasons of rain" mean.

I'll even expound a truth a mite further upon the 2nd half of your last statement of your first paragraph.
Inasmuch, that "where 2 or 3 are gathered in My Name?" Jesus stated, "THERE, I will be also!" Doesn't SAY He would be IN AGREEMENT, however!

It seems, in "assemblies" of such nature? After awhile? One cannot help being reminded of an "adage" that states: "Tis better, in the seeking of forgiveness, then, the asking for permission."
When people are striving in such a "frenzy" in their doing SOMETHING/ANYTHING, in Jesus' name! EVEN IF IT'S WRONG!
"As it gives us something to do in "fixing" it!"

 

[JaumeJ]

Gabriel from the Hebrew means God is my Strength.

Michael is One Like God.……..

 

[Dan_473]

Sounds like you are defining that which "seasons of rain" mean.

I'll even expound a truth a mite further upon the 2nd half of your last statement of your first paragraph.
Inasmuch, that "where 2 or 3 are gathered in My Name?" Jesus stated, "THERE, I will be also!" Doesn't SAY He would be IN AGREEMENT, however!

It seems, in "assemblies" of such nature? After awhile? One cannot help being reminded of an "adage" that states: "Tis better, in the seeking of forgiveness, then, the asking for permission."
When people are striving in such a "frenzy" in their doing SOMETHING/ANYTHING, in Jesus' name! EVEN IF IT'S WRONG!
"As it gives us something to do in "fixing" it!"

Reminded me of
Psalm 65: 10. You make the ploughed lands full of water; you make smooth the slopes: you make the earth soft with showers, sending your blessing on its growth. 11. The year is crowned with the good you give; life-giving rain is dropping from your footsteps.