What does the Law REALLY say?

[Elin]

Must the word "authority" which is understood by anyone who is able to
follow the thread of the post

You provide no thread of the post to follow and by which to understand it.

As for capitol punishement, no one who believes
Jesus Christ is an advocate of war or capitol punishment.

You have no Biblical basis for saying that Jesus condemned capital punishment.

If you are for it, and you have ever had a hateful thuoght towards anyone, and it is certain you have, you will be judged by your own yardstick, so
please do not infer Jesus Christ condones capitol punishment.

Please do not infer Jesus condemned capital punishment when you have no Biblical basis, only your opinion, for your statement.

Your imagination is working overtime. I have demonstrated by concrete teachings from Pau and Messiah what I have shared here,

You have not demonstrated condemnation of capital punishment by either Jesus or Paul.

 

[prove-all]

"The NT command" does not begin until the blue text.
The preparations were an OT command regarding an OT observance.

The verses in black text are OT commands, specified in the OT when they were to be performed.

The verses in blue text are NT events.
1) Reference to Jewish observance of OT commands in the NT does not make theses observances NT commands.
2) The Lord's Supper is to be observed regularly.
3) 1Co 5:7-8 reflect the NT meaning of the OT command.

Proofs are based on the meaning of texts in their contexts, not just on specific words contained in a text.

the feast commanded is to be observed once every year,

not good friday or easter that comes from pagan beliefs

 

[Elin]

If a person is familiar with the Epistles of Paul, he knows
Paul's gospel is the one he received from our Savior, Jesus Christ, by revelation. That
He could have received it as all others do by having faith in what Jesus taught all,

That explains a lot. . .it betrays a pervasive ignorance of the NT.

By faith simply in what Jesus Christ taught all, Paul would know of

condemnation of all mankind as unrighteous (Gal 3:22),
justification (Ro 3:28),
gift of righteousness from God (Ro 5:17),
faith in the blood of Jesus is atonement (Ro 3:25),
God's sovereign choice in rejecting Israel (Ro 9-11),
The olive tree (Ro 11),
All who rely on observing the Law are under a curse (Gal 3:10),
The promises were spoken to Abraham and Christ only (Gal 3:16),
Believers in Christ are the seed of Abraham and hiers according to the promise (Gal 3:29),
Believers are seated now in the heavenlies with Christ (Eph 2:6),
Believers are the wife and bride of Christ (Eph 5:31-32),
Believers are the body of Christ (Eph 1:22-23),
Believers were chosen to be sanctified before the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4),
Believers were predestined to be adopted as sons of God (Eph 1:5),
All things were created by Christ, in heaven, earth, visible, invisible, spiritual forces (Col 1:16),
All things are sustained by Christ (Col 1:17),
Etc., etc., etc.

Speaking of imagination. . .

 

[Elin]

the feast commanded is to be observed once every year,

Including the Lord's Supper, and purging sin from our lives?

Not in my Bible.

 

[JGIG]

So then, does that mean that the New Covenant does NOT teach against the Law? Could it just be that it teaches a new method?

A new method of what?

To accomplish what?

By what means?

And what role does the Law, according to New Covenant Scriptures, play?

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Yes, love fulfills God's will.

Love does not offend (sin).
Love does no harm (evil).

Love, all along was God's will. So, therefore, Jesus commands us to love God and others.

Does it not say that neither circumcision (of the Old Covenant) or uncircumcison (not of the Old Covenant) prevails with Jesus Christ EXCEPT active faith through love?

No, it says this:

6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love. (from Gal. 5)​

Paraphrase: IN CHRIST, the Law counts for nothing. What counts is faith in Christ and works springing from (as in Fruit of the Spirit, see further down in Gal. 5) love.

So then, if we love, God's Law is fulfilled not by the flesh, but by the mind/conscious.

Indeed, you speak sweet words.

God's Law was fulfilled by God in the flesh.

We enter into that work by faith, not by performance.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Thank you Ellie Mae

And if I may answer, under the Son's Covenant which the Father SENT Him with to give to us.....As Elin just pointed out in Jeremiah 21:21-24.

Did everyone see that, the Father sent the Son to deliver a NEW COVENANT, by which no one needs to teach another to know God because He has written His Law upon our hearts, a Law which is fulfilled no longer by the effects of the flesh but of the mind, seeing that the spirit do tend to the things of the Spirit.

Are you assuming that God's Law is the Old Covenant given to Israel at Sinai?

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Again, to love the Lord is to obey His commandments. Without the love of God no one could keep the commandments. Of course one would never understand if the scripture is not for him and if he ignores what the Son said regarding the bread of life.

Which commandments?

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Perhaps, these people you see disputing are doing their best to feed the hungry and housing the homeless without looking for glory from others.

As I last told you in our last conversation, this world is not utopia, man hungers for himself. Only our very King, when He returns, will turn weapons into blows, will eradicate greed, will rule righteously. Only until then can we, His children, do our best with what we have to give.

No - that's not true. I'm not saying that utopia is the goal, but we could be doing a whole lot better as the Body of Christ in bringing change to this world through Christ!

How?

We are to go out into all the world with what HE has to give - to share the Good News of Christ and His Work that resulted in the free gifts of forgiveness, righteousness, and New Life in Him! In Him, and only in Him, will this world see changes of heart and actions.

It is by preaching the Gospel of Grace that these changes are possible, not by putting the Law on people.

Judaism and Islam has put the Law on their people for thousands of years. How's that working out for them?

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Have I not said that God WROTE the Law UPON our mind? Does not Scripture say the same? So, no. The Law is not our conscious, but our conscious testifies to the fact that the Law is indeed written in our mind. By which, we have the 'to desire' to do that which is good. And what is that which is good to God? Has He not told us what is good?

And by Christ, we have been given the 'to accomplish that which is good' by God having given to us His Spirit.

By the Spirit and the Law within, we fulfill God's Will which has always been love.

Which law has God written on the heart of the believer?

This is key to understanding the New Covenant.

-JGIG

 

[cfultz3]

Which law has God written on the heart of the believer?

This is key to understanding the New Covenant.

-JGIG

What Law? The one from the Spirit of Life by Christ. The one which fulfills the very essence of the written Law. The one which does not offend (sin) or does no harm (evil) to God or another. The Law of Christ: love. Yes, by love, we walk according to God's will, which, conclusively, has always been: to love. That Law.

 

[cfultz3]

No - that's not true. I'm not saying that utopia is the goal, but we could be doing a whole lot better as the Body of Christ in bringing change to this world through Christ!

How?

We are to go out into all the world with what HE has to give - to share the Good News of Christ and His Work that resulted in the free gifts of forgiveness, righteousness, and New Life in Him! In Him, and only in Him, will this world see changes of heart and actions.

It is by preaching the Gospel of Grace that these changes are possible, not by putting the Law on people.

Judaism and Islam has put the Law on their people for thousands of years. How's that working out for them?

-JGIG

JGIG is Flamingspirit?

 

[cfultz3]

Are you assuming that God's Law is the Old Covenant given to Israel at Sinai?

-JGIG

God's Law, all along, was to love Him and others. To walk pleasingly before Him. God's Law: Love and by which, I will not kill, steal, lie. Why? Because it harms (causes evil)? I will not have another god. Why? Because it is offensive (sinful) towards God.


God's will has never changed. He is offended (sinned against) when things are not done in love (evilly).

 

[JGIG]

Jesus Christ's gospel teaches of the faith of Abraham. Paul speaks of the true Jew as he who is one inwardly. Again, Jesus Christ told the hypocrites, if you believe Moses and the prophets, you would believe me, for they wrote about me.

Anyone who loves in the holy manner when reading the Law knows by the teaching of Jesus Christ that there are laws with that indeed do fall under the heading of love, and these are the laws that should always be in effect. Study them, and throw out all that deal with sacrifice for there is no sacrifice after the only one for sin, our Lord's. Throw out any laws about what to eat or not eat except for Paul's stipulations on things strangled, blood, and things that have died of themselves because Jesus made all foods clean. And in keeping with the curse that was nailed to the cross, death, Jesus Christ teaches us all that mercy over rides punishment and death. We are to be merciful.

So stop being afraid of the instruction from the Father. Jesus said the laws are not abolished, but completed. He did this by His Example and personal teaching. Jesus Christ is the Word, and the written Word begins with Genesis, so read and believe it all, amen.

But the Old Covenant is a comprehensive covenant; you cannot 'throw out' ANY of it. It is a unit - THE Law. There are no divisions within the Law itself as written. Not all parts apply to all people (some for men, some for women, some for priests, farmers, etc.), but the Law itself was a comprehensive unit for the community of Israel to relate to each other and to God.

You just wrote above that Jesus said the Laws are not abolished, but that we should throw some of them out, that we need to read and believe it all, but throw out some parts.

That is doublemindedness.

Are you in the New Covenant or in the Old Covenant?

Do you know the difference?

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

JGIG is Flamingspirit?

No.
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[JGIG]

God's Law, all along, was to love Him and others. To walk pleasingly before Him. God's Law: Love and by which, I will not kill, steal, lie. Why? Because it harms (causes evil)? I will not have another god. Why? Because it is offensive (sinful) towards God.


God's will has never changed. He is offended (sinned against) when things are not done in love (evilly).

You did not answer the question.

Are the Laws written on the heart of a believer the same laws that God gave to Israel at Sinai?

-JGIG

 

[cfultz3]

No, it says this:

6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love. (from Gal. 5)​

Paraphrase: IN CHRIST, the Law counts for nothing. What counts is faith in Christ and works springing from (as in Fruit of the Spirit, see further down in Gal. 5) love.

So, if one is circumcised according to the Law or not, that really does not matter to Jesus. What does is faith which is ACTIVE through (channel of an act) love. This I said.

What part are you disagreeing to?

God's Law was fulfilled by God in the flesh.

We enter into that work by faith, not by performance.


-JGIG

Romans 7 is what I am talking about. It does say that we serve God's Law with the mind and not the Law in the flesh.

God's Law is fulfilled when we work in conjunction with the Spirit whose Law is love. We serve not the letter, but the Law from the Spirit: Love.

 

[cfultz3]

A new method of what?

A new method of fulfilling God's will and that method is through love and not through flesh. A Christian cannot walk lasciviously, but must walk according to love.

To accomplish what?

God's Will, just as the Son did when He said, "Not my Will, bur your Will be done".

By what means?

By the Law written upon our minds and by the Spirit within we have the 'to desire' and the 'to accomplish that which is good. What is good? Has not God told us what is good? And love fulfills that which is good.

And what role does the Law, according to New Covenant Scriptures, play?

The conviction of the Spirit is based on something. God has told us what is good and when we walk contrary to that Will, does not the Spirit convicts us when we do that which is not done in love? Love fulfills the Law because love does no offense (sin), it does no harm (evil). So then, by love God's eternal Will is pleased.

-JGIG[/QUOTE]

 

[cfultz3]

No.
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Sorry about that.....that reply was to flamingspirit and you said, ' I'm not saying that utopia is the goal, but we could be doing a whole lot better as the Body of Christ in bringing change to this world through Christ! '

 

[Grandpa]

But the Old Covenant is a comprehensive covenant; you cannot 'throw out' ANY of it. It is a unit - THE Law. There are no divisions within the Law itself as written. Not all parts apply to all people (some for men, some for women, some for priests, farmers, etc.), but the Law itself was a comprehensive unit for the community of Israel to relate to each other and to God.

You just wrote above that Jesus said the Laws are not abolished, but that we should throw some of them out, that we need to read and believe it all, but throw out some parts.

That is doublemindedness.

Are you in the New Covenant or in the Old Covenant?

Do you know the difference?

-JGIG

Looks like a mixture to me. Relying on one's own understanding. One's own partial understanding at that.

Apparently the Lord Jesus has fulfilled all the law concerning sacrifice and eating clean or unclean animals, but has left some un-fulfilled so we must continue to work at it.

That is a major error in judgement.

People who continue to work at the Law don't understand the Holy Spirit and what Christ does for us.

There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end therof is death.

It seems right to work at the Law. But the Law is not of Faith. And what is not of Faith is sin and brings the curse.

Galatians 3:10-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


If they don't hear Paul, how are they going to hear any other witnesses of the Power of Grace in the Lord Jesus Christ?

Galatians 3:18-19

[SUP]18 [/SUP]For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Why are you serving the Law? Don't you know that the Law was given for transgressors? Until the Lord Jesus Christ came and made the transgressors Righteous.

Either the Lord Jesus has made us Righteous, and we believe it, or we go back to the Law to try to establish our own righteousness.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Galatians 5:22-23

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

If we, throught the Spirit, are waiting for the Hope of Righteousness through faith we are not concerned with working at the Law. The Law no longer has any bearing on our walk. It has shown us what Righteousness looks like but it has not shown us how to achieve it. Paul shows us that those who work at the Law don't achieve Righteousness. It is the ones who aren't following the Law who are achieving this Righteousness that comes only by Faith in Christ.