What does the Law REALLY say?

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KohenMatt said:
Yep. Because the goal is our relationship with our Father. Not perfection.

Just like an earthly father with his kids.
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As long as you know that JESUS is perfect and we are not because of the weakness of our flesh.

JESUS said that the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

We try but GOD will only accept perfection and only JESUS was/is perfect.
So trying to be obedient to the law means that a person is using their own will power not knowing why the words Moses spoke the words he spoke to the children of Israel under law. Did you know under the law Moses told them that they that did the things in the law should live under those things.Thats because you get no help from GOD under law.

Its all the person keeping the law or

its JESUS.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Right,GOD doesn't change,but under the law,it was designed for you to realize you couldn't be perfected on the inside and JESUS was the only one that could fulfill the law because GOD will only accept inward perfection which is in truth.

So once again its either all you in the law or its grace,and we have access to this grace that JESUS provided through faith.
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Two different aspects of the law must be considered. Sad but true, most blanket the law into one category. Even most churches fail to define the law in detail that includes God's children. Then they have no alternative but to view the law as fulfilled by Christ and there's nothing left for us to consider, or react to concerning the law given to Moses. "It's all over and past, done away with, void, abolished etc". All the physical law of commandments contained in ordinances of temple worship with animals along with the enmity/division (related to the curtain torn asunder during the crucifixion) have been abolished according to Ephesians 2:14-16. So where do we find the laws concerning loving God and our neighbor as ourselves? Loving God's way are not temple ordinances, but are those laws that give definitive details and principles of how to love. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Look at the definition of love as an outline of headings and subheadings that define every detail of the two. Our love toward God can grow in leaps and bounds when considering all that Jesus fulfilled as we study the spiritual aspects of the Old Covenant temple ordnances. We will then respond with greater sincerity to love our neighbor as ourselves as we consider all of the law for our edification.
 
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I don't think trying is good enough because He said this through Moses: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates" and "now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, 'who will ascend into heaven to get in and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?' nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, 'who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?' No, the word is very near you, it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it."
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true,but remember that you have to have faith in the WORD.
 
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just-me said:
Two different aspects of the law must be considered. Sad but true, most blanket the law into one category. Even most churches fail to define the law in detail that includes God's children. Then they have no alternative but to view the law as fulfilled by Christ and there's nothing left for us to consider, or react to concerning the law given to Moses. "It's all over and past, done away with, void, abolished etc". All the physical law of commandments contained in ordinances of temple worship with animals along with the enmity/division (related to the curtain torn asunder during the crucifixion) have been abolished according to Ephesians 2:14-16. So where do we find the laws concerning loving God and our neighbor as ourselves? Loving God's way are not temple ordinances, but are
those laws that give definitive details and principles of how to love. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Look at the definition of love as an outline of headings and subheadings that define every detail of the two. Our love toward God can grow in leaps and bounds when considering all that Jesus fulfilled as we study the spiritual aspects of the Old Covenant temple ordnances. We will then respond with greater sincerity to love our neighbor as ourselves as we consider all of the law for our edification.
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And because the new covenant law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; Gal 5:6) is written on my heart,
the Holy Spirit gives me to know what is love to others and what is not,
without a myriad of written details spelling out each possibility,
and likewise convicting me when I am unloving in any way.

You are making complicated what God has now made simple in our freedom in Christ.
 
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Sacrifices - Part 5 of 6

138 Leviticus 6:16 - Not to eat the Meal-offering of a Cohen (Priest).
And the remainder thereof shall Aaron and his sons eat: with unleavened bread shall it be eaten in the holy place; in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation they shall eat it.


139 Leviticus 6:23 - Eat not Sin-offering meat sacrificed within Sanctuary.
For every meat offering for the priest shall be wholly burnt: it shall not be eaten.


140 Deuteronomy 14:3 - Not to eat consecrated animals that have become blemished.
Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.


141 Deuteronomy 12:17 - Eat not unredeemed 2nd corn tithe outside Jerusalem.
Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:


142 Deuteronomy 12:17 - Consume not unredeemed 2nd wine tithe outside Jerusalem.
Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:


143 Deuteronomy 12:17 - Consume not unredeemed 2nd oil tithe outside Jerusalem.
Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:


144 Deuteronomy 12:17 - Eat not an unblemished firstling outside Jerusalem.
Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:


145 Deuteronomy 12:17 - Eat not sin or guilt offerings outside Sanctuary court.
Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:


146 Deuteronomy 12:17 - Not to eat the meat of the burnt offering at all.
Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:


147 Deuteronomy 12:17 - Eat not lesser sacrifices before blood dashed on Altar.
Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:


148 Deuteronomy 12:17 - Azar / non- Cohen is not to eat the most holy offerings.
Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
 
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Elin said:
And because the new covenant law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; Gal 5:6) is written on my heart,
the Holy Spirit gives me to know what is love to others and what is not,
without a myriad of written details spelling out each possibility,
and likewise convicting me when I am unloving in any way.

You are making complicated what God has now made simple in our freedom in Christ.
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Where did you get the info that is written on your heart?

Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him? Isaiah 63:11

Oh the love I feel. Together again the tears have stopped fallin'. (smile):eek:
 
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just-me said:
Elin said:
And because the new covenant law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; Gal 5:6) is written on my heart,
the Holy Spirit gives me to know what is love to others and what is not,
without a myriad of written details spelling out each possibility,
and likewise convicting me when I am unloving in any way.

You are making complicated what God has now made simple in our freedom in Christ.
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Where did you get the info that is written on your heart?
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Did you miss what I said about the Holy Spirit?
 
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short answer to 'what does the Law REALLY say?'

you need Jesus! :)
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
As long as you know that JESUS is perfect and we are not because of the weakness of our flesh.

JESUS said that the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

We try but GOD will only accept perfection and only JESUS was/is perfect.
So trying to be obedient to the law means that a person is using their own will power not knowing why the words Moses spoke the words he spoke to the children of Israel under law. Did you know under the law Moses told them that they that did the things in the law should live under those things.Thats because you get no help from GOD under law.

Its all the person keeping the law or

its JESUS.
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Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
 
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Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
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What? Obey?!!!! Oh man, I thought it was going to be a free ride :)
 
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Sacrifices - Part 6 of 6

149 Exodus 29:33 - A Cohen (Priest) not to eat First Fruits outside Temple courts.
And they shall eat those things wherewith the atonement was made, to consecrate and to sanctify them: but a stranger shall not eat thereof, because they are holy.


150 Deuteronomy 26:14 - Not giving 2nd tithe while in state of impurity.
I have not eaten thereof in my mourning, neither have I taken away ought thereof for any unclean use, nor given ought thereof for the dead: but I have hearkened to the voice of the LORD my God, and have done according to all that thou hast commanded me.


151 Deuteronomy 26:14 - Not eating the 2nd tithe while in mourning.
I have not eaten thereof in my mourning, neither have I taken away ought thereof for any unclean use, nor given ought thereof for the dead: but I have hearkened to the voice of the LORD my God, and have done according to all that thou hast commanded me.


152 Deuteronomy 26:14 - Not giving the 2nd tithe for the dead.
I have not eaten thereof in my mourning, neither have I taken away ought thereof for any unclean use, nor given ought thereof for the dead: but I have hearkened to the voice of the LORD my God, and have done according to all that thou hast commanded me.


153 Leviticus 22:15 - Not eating untithed produce.
And they shall not profane the holy things of the children of Israel, which they offer unto the LORD;


154 Exodus 22:29 - Not changing the order of separating the various tithes.
Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.


155 Deuteronomy 23:21 - Delay not payment of offerings, freewill or obligatory.
When thou shalt vow a vow unto the LORD thy God, thou shalt not slack to pay it: for the LORD thy God will surely require it of thee; and it would be sin in thee.


156 Exodus 23:15 - Go not to Temple on Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles without offering.
Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:)


157 Numbers 30:2 - Not to break your word, even if without an oath.
If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.
 
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Elin said:
And because the new covenant law of Christ (Mt 22:37-39; Gal 5:6) is written on my heart,
the Holy Spirit gives me to know what is love to others and what is not,
without a myriad of written details spelling out each possibility,
and likewise convicting me when I am unloving in any way.

You are making complicated what God has now made simple in our freedom in Christ.
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Deuteronomy 30:10-11
10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

1 John 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

The commandments we written. To what writing is John referring too if not the commandments of love?

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
 
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PRIESTS

158 Leviticus 21:7 - A Cohen (Priest) may not marry a harlot.
They shall not take a wife that is a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.


159 Leviticus 21:7 - A Cohen (Priest) marry not a woman profaned from the Priesthood.
They shall not take a wife that is a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.


160 Leviticus 21:7 - A Cohen (Priest) may not marry a divorcee.
They shall not take a wife that is a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.


161 Leviticus 21:14 - Cohen haGadol (high priest) may not marry a widow.
A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or an harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife.


162 Leviticus 21:15 - Cohen haGadol (high priest) may not take a widow as a concubine.
Neither shall he profane his seed among his people: for I the LORD do sanctify him.


163 Leviticus 10:6 - Cohen (Priest) may not enter the Sanctuary with uncovered head.
And Moses said unto Aaron, and unto Eleazar and unto Ithamar, his sons, Uncover not your heads, neither rend your clothes; lest ye die, and lest wrath come upon all the people: but let your brethren, the whole house of Israel, bewail the burning which the LORD hath kindled.


164 Leviticus 10:6 - Cohen (Priest) wearing rent garments may not enter Sanctuary.
And Moses said unto Aaron, and unto Eleazar and unto Ithamar, his sons, Uncover not your heads, neither rend your clothes; lest ye die, and lest wrath come upon all the people: but let your brethren, the whole house of Israel, bewail the burning which the LORD hath kindled.


165 Leviticus 10:7 – Cohanim (Priests) leave not Temple courtyard during the service.
And ye shall not go out from the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: for the anointing oil of the LORD is upon you. And they did according to the word of Moses.


166 Leviticus 21:1 - No Cohanim (Priests) must not be defiled for dead, except for his next of kin.
And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto the priests the sons of Aaron, and say unto them, There shall none be defiled for the dead among his people:


167 Leviticus 21:11 - Cohen haGadol (High Priest) may not be under one roof with dead body.
Neither shall he go in to any dead body, nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother;


168 Leviticus 21:11 - Cohen haGadol (High Priest) must not be defiled for any dead person.
Neither shall he go in to any dead body, nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother;


169 Deuteronomy 18:1 - Levites have not part in the division of Israel's land.
The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part nor inheritance with Israel: they shall eat the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and his inheritance.


170 Deuteronomy 18:1 - Levites share not in the spoils of war.
The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part nor inheritance with Israel: they shall eat the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and his inheritance.


171 Deuteronomy 14:1 - Not to tear out hair for the dead.
Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
As long as you know that JESUS is perfect and we are not because of the weakness of our flesh.

JESUS said that the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

We try but GOD will only accept perfection and only JESUS was/is perfect.
So trying to be obedient to the law means that a person is using their own will power not knowing why the words Moses spoke the words he spoke to the children of Israel under law. Did you know under the law Moses told them that they that did the things in the law should live under those things.Thats because you get no help from GOD under law.

Its all the person keeping the law or

its JESUS.
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WomanLovesTX said:
Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
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Are you talking about being obedient before or after you have received GOD Holy SPIRIT.


Old Covenant<------No Help

New Covenant<-----Grace

GOD is not going to be in a person that is not perfect,so you cannot be obedient with no help.A person can try to be obedient until they realize they need JESUS.
 
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chubbena said:
And Jesus is the Word of God and He said "man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.
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I don't want to sound disrespectful but I just want to be sure I got you right; are you saying that you are trying to be obedient to the old because GOD was speaking in the old and GOD was also speaking in the new?
You have the old covenent and the new covenant and the old was for a reason and the new is better,although GOD gave them both.
 
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