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Magenta

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#41
Forever is forever ... Stop the private interpretation of the Bible
You need to stop calling God's Word "lies."

Sodom’s fiery judgment is ‘eternal’ (Jude 7) – until… God ‘will restore the fortunes of Sodom’ (Eze. 16:53-55).

Israel’s ‘affliction is incurable’ (Jeremiah 30:12) – until… the Lord ‘will restore health’ and heal her wounds (Jeremiah 30:17).

The sin of Samaria ‘is incurable’ (Micah 1:9) – until… Lord ‘will restore the fortunes of Samaria.’ (Ez. 16:53).

Ammon is to become a ‘wasteland forever’ and ‘rise no more’ (Zephaniah 2:9, Jeremiah 25:27) – until… the Lord will ‘restore the fortunes of the Ammonites’ (Jeremiah 49:6).

An Ammonite or Moabite is forbidden to enter the Lord’s congregation ‘forever’ – until… the tenth generation (Deuteronomy 23:3).

Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were ‘everlasting’, that is – until… they ‘were shattered’ (Habakkuk 3 3:6).

The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an ‘everlasting’ priesthood (Exodus 40:15), that is – until… it was superceded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews 7:14-18).

Many translations of the Bible inform us that God would dwell in Solomon’s Temple ‘forever’ (1 Kings 8:13), that is – until… the Temple was destroyed.

The Law of Moses was to be an ‘everlasting covenant’ (Leviticus 24:8), yet we read in the New Covenant the first was ‘done away’ and ‘abolished’ (2 Corinthians 3:11,13), and God ‘made the first old’ (Hebrews 8:13).

The fire for Israel’s sin offering (of a ram without blemish) is never to be put out. It shall be a ‘perpetual’ – until… Christ, the Lamb of God, dies for our sins. We now have a better covenant established on better promises (Leviticus 6:12-13, Hebrews 8:6-13).

God’s waves of wrath roll over Jonah ‘forever’ – until… the Lord delivers him from the large fish’s belly on the third day (Jonah 2:6,10; 1:17).

Egypt and Elam will ‘rise no more’ (Jeremiah 25:27) – until… the Lord will ‘restore the fortunes of Egypt’ (Ezekiel 29:14) and ‘restore the fortunes of Elam’ (Jeremiah 49:39).

‘Moab is destroyed’ (Jeremiah 48:4, 42) – until… the Lord ‘will restore the fortunes of Moab’ (Jeremiah 48:47).

Israel’s judgment lasts ‘forever’ – until… the Spirit is poured out and God restores it (Isaiah 32:13-15).

The King James Bible, as well as many others, tells us that a bondslave was to serve his master ‘forever’ (Exodus 21:6), that is – until… his death.”
 

Noose

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#42
Hell is not a place, it is the condition of the human heart and this earth is going nowhere, the old heavens and earth being tossed into the lake of fire simply means the unbelievers are judged unto death even today.

Peter sometime said we are in a new heaven and earth which are reserved for fire because the old one was destroyed by water, but we all know this soil never moved:

2 Pet 3:5But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world of that time perished in the flood. 7And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.


People will not accept it but it is truth. Believers die and indwell living believers, unbelievers die and indwell the living unbelievers, and this will go on until there will be no more unbelievers. The death that is happening today is judgement but at the end of it all, believers will inherit the earth and thus the old saying shall come into fruition, "the kingdom of the earth has become that of God.."
 
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#43
You need to stop calling God's Word "lies."

Sodom’s fiery judgment is ‘eternal’ (Jude 7) – until… God ‘will restore the fortunes of Sodom’ (Eze. 16:53-55).

Israel’s ‘affliction is incurable’ (Jeremiah 30:12) – until… the Lord ‘will restore health’ and heal her wounds (Jeremiah 30:17).

The sin of Samaria ‘is incurable’ (Micah 1:9) – until… Lord ‘will restore the fortunes of Samaria.’ (Ez. 16:53).

Ammon is to become a ‘wasteland forever’ and ‘rise no more’ (Zephaniah 2:9, Jeremiah 25:27) – until… the Lord will ‘restore the fortunes of the Ammonites’ (Jeremiah 49:6).

An Ammonite or Moabite is forbidden to enter the Lord’s congregation ‘forever’ – until… the tenth generation (Deuteronomy 23:3).

Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were ‘everlasting’, that is – until… they ‘were shattered’ (Habakkuk 3 3:6).

The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an ‘everlasting’ priesthood (Exodus 40:15), that is – until… it was superceded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews 7:14-18).

Many translations of the Bible inform us that God would dwell in Solomon’s Temple ‘forever’ (1 Kings 8:13), that is – until… the Temple was destroyed.

The Law of Moses was to be an ‘everlasting covenant’ (Leviticus 24:8), yet we read in the New Covenant the first was ‘done away’ and ‘abolished’ (2 Corinthians 3:11,13), and God ‘made the first old’ (Hebrews 8:13).

The fire for Israel’s sin offering (of a ram without blemish) is never to be put out. It shall be a ‘perpetual’ – until… Christ, the Lamb of God, dies for our sins. We now have a better covenant established on better promises (Leviticus 6:12-13, Hebrews 8:6-13).

God’s waves of wrath roll over Jonah ‘forever’ – until… the Lord delivers him from the large fish’s belly on the third day (Jonah 2:6,10; 1:17).

Egypt and Elam will ‘rise no more’ (Jeremiah 25:27) – until… the Lord will ‘restore the fortunes of Egypt’ (Ezekiel 29:14) and ‘restore the fortunes of Elam’ (Jeremiah 49:39).

‘Moab is destroyed’ (Jeremiah 48:4, 42) – until… the Lord ‘will restore the fortunes of Moab’ (Jeremiah 48:47).

Israel’s judgment lasts ‘forever’ – until… the Spirit is poured out and God restores it (Isaiah 32:13-15).

The King James Bible, as well as many others, tells us that a bondslave was to serve his master ‘forever’ (Exodus 21:6), that is – until… his death.”


Where does the Bible say

God ‘will restore the fortunes of Sodom?
 
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#44
Hell is not a place, it is the condition of the human heart and this earth is going nowhere, the old heavens and earth being tossed into the lake of fire simply means the unbelievers are judged unto death even today.

Peter sometime said we are in a new heaven and earth which are reserved for fire because the old one was destroyed by water, but we all know this soil never moved:

2 Pet 3:5But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world of that time perished in the flood. 7And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.


People will not accept it but it is truth. Believers die and indwell living believers, unbelievers die and indwell the living unbelievers, and this will go on until there will be no more unbelievers. The death that is happening today is judgement but at the end of it all, believers will inherit the earth and thus the old saying shall come into fruition, "the kingdom of the earth has become that of God.."

You speak lies and are deceiving

The Bible is very literal and should be read a such
 

Magenta

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#45
Where does the Bible say

God ‘will restore the fortunes of Sodom?
I gave the verse citation (Ezekiel 16:53-55-53). Here it is again, expanded:

However, I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them, so that you may bear your disgrace and be ashamed of all you have done in giving them comfort. And your sisters, Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters, will return to what they were before; and you and your daughters will return to what you were before.
 

Deade

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#47
People will not accept it but it is truth. Believers die and indwell living believers, unbelievers die and indwell the living unbelievers, and this will go on until there will be no more unbelievers.
Whoa! That sounds a whole lot like Buddhism. Holy and unholy possession! Hahahaha...

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#48
I gave the verse citation (Ezekiel 16:53-55-53). Here it is again, expanded:

However, I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them, so that you may bear your disgrace and be ashamed of all you have done in giving them comfort. And your sisters, Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters, will return to what they were before; and you and your daughters will return to what you were before.

Chosing which version of the Bible fits YOUR understanding is still private interpretation... Please if you would what does the KJV say?
 
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Chosing which version of the Bible fits YOUR understanding is still private interpretation... Please if you would what does the KJV say?

Ezekiel 16:53

“When I shall bring again their captivity, the captivity of Sodom and her daughters, and the captivity of Samaria and her daughters, then will I bring again the captivity of thy captives in the midst of them:”
King James Version (KJV)
 

Magenta

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#51
Chosing which version of the Bible fits YOUR understanding is still private interpretation... Please if you would what does the KJV say?
Oh. I'm sorry, did I offend your KJV onlyist sensibilities?

Could you please just deal with the fact that Sodom is promised to be restored to her former estate then?
 

Magenta

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#53
What I'm going to say is going to offend you and for that I am sorry ... But if you want the Spirit of God to dwell in you and you be the temple of God "third temple" then you must ask Jesus for it. Only he has the power to baptize with the Holy Ghost( save his 12 and only apostles)

If this form is actually filled with true believers in Jesus then this will be easy to swallow.

The church makes up the body of Christ(his followers)
So no answer to what the Word of God says? I thought not.
 
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#54
Oh. I'm sorry, did I offend your KJV onlyist sensibilities?

Could you please just deal with the fact that Sodom is promised to be restored to her former estate then?

What I'm going to say is going to offend you and for that I am sorry ... But if you want the Spirit of God to dwell in you and you be the temple of God "third temple" then you must ask Jesus for it. And only Jesus.


Acts 7:48

“Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,”
King James Version (KJV)

If this form is actually filled with true believers in Jesus then this will be easy to swallow

The church makes up the body of Christ(his followers)

Colossians 1:24
Ephesians 5:23

That would mean this form is the "church" (body of Christ)

That would also mean ...
1 Corinthians 14:34

“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.”

I'm extremely sorry if this hurts Magenta.. but it's true... I wish you the best of luck as I feel my stay on this form will not be well received if I speak the truth.
 

Noose

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#55
Whoa! That sounds a whole lot like Buddhism. Holy and unholy possession! Hahahaha...

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1 Cor 15:29 Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?

If you find yourself not able to answer this question or even understand what Paul is talking about, then it is time to rethink your position.
 

Magenta

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#56
What I'm going to say is going to offend you and for that I am sorry ... But if you want the Spirit of God to dwell in you and you be the temple of God "third temple" then you must ask Jesus for it. And only Jesus.


Acts 7:48

“Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,”
King James Version (KJV)

If this form is actually filled with true believers in Jesus then this will be easy to swallow

The church makes up the body of Christ(his followers)

Colossians 1:24
Ephesians 5:23

That would mean this form is the "church" (body of Christ)

That would also mean ...
1 Corinthians 14:34

“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.”

I'm extremely sorry if this hurts Magenta.. but it's true... I wish you the best of luck as I feel my stay on this form will not be well received if I speak the truth.
Your problem is pride.
 
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1 Cor 15:29 Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?

If you find yourself not able to answer this question or even understand what Paul is talking about, then it is time to rethink your position.

You understand not the truth. For when we become born again. Our spirit is born of God. Then our body becomes the temple of God. Our body is dead to the world but the Spirit of Jesus that dwells in us quickens our mortal bodies. This is what Paul speaks of.

Romans 8:11

“But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.”
King James Version (KJV)
 
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#58
Your problem is pride.

I could not agree more... Please forgive me if I offended you.. but I do not speak lies.

1 Corinthians 8:1

“Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.”
King James Version (KJV)

Charity is the love of God... I am working on my love for God on the daily... Mostly learning about his grace and how it is greater than my sins.
 

Magenta

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#59
I could not agree more... Please forgive me if I offended you.. but I do not speak lies.

1 Corinthians 8:1

“Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.”
King James Version (KJV)

Charity is the love of God... I am working on my love for God on the daily... Mostly learning about his grace and how it is greater than my sins.
Jesus sent Mary out as the first evangelist following His resurrection; He would NOT have her be silent.

Nor shall I be.
 

Magenta

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#60
Please properly edit your post. Put one of these after my quote ]