What if Adam and Eve ate the tree of life?

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Noose

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Isaiah 51
1Listen to Me, you who pursue righteousness,
you who seek the LORD:
Look to the rock from which you were cut,
and to the quarry from which you were hewn.
2Look to Abraham your father,
and to Sarah who bore you.
When I called him, he was but one;
then I blessed him and multiplied him.
3For the LORD will comfort Zion
and look with compassion on all her ruins;
He will make her wilderness like Eden
and her desert like the garden of the LORD.

Joy and gladness will be found in her,
thanksgiving and melodious song.
4Pay attention to Me, My people,
and listen to Me, My nation;
for a law will go out from Me,
and My justice will become a light to the nations;

I will bring it about quickly.
5My righteousness draws near,
My salvation is on the way,
and My arms will bring justice to the nations.
The islands will look for Me
and wait in hope for My arm.
6Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look at the earth below;
for the heavens will vanish like smoke,
the earth will wear out like a garment,
and its people will die like gnats.
But My salvation will last forever,
and My righteousness will never fail.
7Listen to Me, you who know what is right,
you people with My law in your hearts:

Do not fear the scorn of men;
do not be broken by their insults.
8For the moth will devour them like a garment,
and the worm will eat them like wool.
But My righteousness will last forever,
My salvation through all generations.
9Awaken, awaken,
put on strength, O arm of the LORD.
Wake up as in days past,
as in generations of long ago.
Was it not You who cut Rahab to pieces,
who pierced through the dragon?
10Was it not You who dried up the sea,
the waters of the great deep,
who made a road in the depths of the sea
for the redeemed to cross over?
11So the redeemed of the LORD will return
and enter Zion with singing,
crowned with unending joy.
Joy and gladness will overtake them,
and sorrow and sighing will flee.
12I, even I, am He who comforts you.
Who are you that you fear mortal man,
or a son of man who withers like grass?
13But you have forgotten the LORD, your Maker,
who stretched out the heavens
and laid the foundations of the earth.
You live in terror all day long
because of the fury of the oppressor,
who is bent on destruction.
But where is the fury of the oppressor?
14The captive will soon be freed;
he will not die in the dungeon,
and his bread will not be lacking.
15For I am the LORD your God
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—
the LORD of Hosts is His name.
16I have put My words in your mouth,
and covered you in the shadow of My hand,
to establisha the heavens, to found the earth,
and to say to Zion, “You are My people.”

The Cup of Wrath
17Awaken, awaken!
Rise up, O Jerusalem,
you who have drunk from the hand of the LORD
the cup of His fury;
you who have drained the goblet to the dregs,
the cup that makes men stagger.
18Among all the sons she bore,
there is no one to guide her;
among all the sons she brought up,
there is no one to take her hand.
19These pairs have befallen you:
devastation and destruction,
famine and sword.
Who will grieve for you?
Who can comfort you?b
20Your sons have fainted;
they lie at the head of every street,
like an antelope in a net.
They are full of the wrath of the LORD,
the rebuke of your God.
21Therefore now hear this, you afflicted one,
drunken, but not with wine.
22Thus says your Lord,
the LORD, even your God,
who defends His people:
“See, I have removed the cup of staggering from your hand;
from that goblet, the cup of My fury,
you will never drink again.
23I will place it in the hands of your tormentors,
who told you: ‘Lie down, so we can walk over you.’
And you made your back like the ground,
and like a street to be traversed.
 

Noose

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Good cannot contain evil of any sort. I aqm only permitted to draw on my personal experience of the Holy Spirit entering into me. If that is only a taste of what we have to look forward to, it is pure and good and perfect......Only our Father can give us all this.
That's correct, the reason good and evil find meaning in the heart of a man.
 
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What if Adam and Eve ate the tree of life? Will all the human beings in this world will be living in the garden of Eden? Also will the serpent forever be in the garden of Eden and cause harm on human beings?
Eating the meat or food of Christ "the tree of life" is to do the will of him unseen . The food the disciples knew not of. We as creatures were designed to do the will of another, not seen.

Spiritual food is needed to strengthen our desire to walk by faith as a imputed righteousness of Christ. .

John 4:33-35 King James Version (KJV)Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

The father of lies put his words on the lips of a beautiful creature seen and mankind ate of the forbidden fruit (doing the will of another ) walking by sight ..

It is sort of like it took two creations to make one that could not be challenged by a serpent that has another manner of spirit one that comes not after mercy but jealousy. I will, I will not as the our father in heavens wills. Not one desire that could cause pride.. I will be like the most high.

Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

From the moment of the time of reformation the god of this world is falling lower and lower in that bottomless pit never to rise to new spirt life.

Angels are not subject to salvation, (the mercy and grace of God). The angels that did not fall from there first place of habitation will be under the new creation as it was meant the first time before we will judge or rule over them .They will continue to long to look into the mercy and grace of God. A mystery to them .Good news to us. .

Ezekiel 28:17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

There will be no angels that could cause harm on the bride of Christ.
 

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It wasn't a parable and that is just nonsense......and I will add....they had right to every tree in the garden except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.....
Your right it is not a parable, thats just someones opinon.
 

posthuman

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The reason Moses was a Messiah is that God put His words in his mouth- this basically means, God occupied Moses. There are only two prophets in the OT who God literally occupied, Moses and Elijah.
ahem.

Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD.
Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth.
And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put My words in thy mouth!
(Jeremiah 1:8-9)
 

Noose

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ahem.

Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD.
Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth.
And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put My words in thy mouth!
(Jeremiah 1:8-9)
Sorry. was supposed to be Jeremiah. I confuse Jeremiah and Elijah
 
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It wasn't a parable and that is just nonsense......and I will add....they had right to every tree in the garden except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.....
Well of course its a parable in respect to the signified language of God . Without parables and the prescriptions for understanding them Christ spoke not to everyone, hiding the spiritual understanding from natural man, that has no faith..

Parables provide spiritual sense, not non sense.

Christ is the tree of life. To eat of the incorruptible seed by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever is to do the will of the father not seen. Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit..... experiencing evil rather than acknowledging the word of God. . God did not want them to know by experiencing or doing the pleasure of the will of another.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

What the spiritual lesson in the garden to those who do not have faith or believe God.? Is the understanding hid from them that beleive not? Is that not what parables perform.... another understanding along with the literally true ?
 
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Sorry. was supposed to be Jeremiah. I confuse Jeremiah and Elijah
The principle is the same they both represent coming in the power of the Holy Spirit as words God put on the tongue of both prophets. .
 

posthuman

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Sorry. was supposed to be Jeremiah. I confuse Jeremiah and Elijah
sometimes i confuse Elijah & Elisha ;)

why wasn't it Jeremiah at the transfiguration?

and was Ezekiel Messiah?

As He spoke, the Spirit came into me and raised me to my feet,
and I heard Him speaking to me.
(Ezekiel 2:2)

And He said to me,
“Son of man, eat what is before you, eat this scroll; then go and speak to the people of Israel.”
So I opened my mouth, and He gave me the scroll to eat.
Then He said to me,
“Son of man, eat this scroll I am giving you and fill your stomach with it.”
So I ate it, and it tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth.
He then said to me: “Son of man, go now to the people of Israel and speak My words to them"
(Ezekiel 3:1-4)
 
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sometimes i confuse Elijah & Elisha ;)

why wasn't it Jeremiah at the transfiguration?

and was Ezekiel Messiah?

As He spoke, the Spirit came into me and raised me to my feet,
and I heard Him speaking to me.
(Ezekiel 2:2)

And He said to me,
“Son of man, eat what is before you, eat this scroll; then go and speak to the people of Israel.”
So I opened my mouth, and He gave me the scroll to eat.
Then He said to me,
“Son of man, eat this scroll I am giving you and fill your stomach with it.”
So I ate it, and it tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth.
He then said to me: “Son of man, go now to the people of Israel and speak My words to them"
(Ezekiel 3:1-4)
Jeremiah is considered more of the weeping prophet representing the sorrow of God as he pronounced judgment against those who will not beleive God, the faithless Jew or Gentile.

Moses represents God as the law giver. While Elijah represents the law of God (the gospel) coming in the power the prophets as to the testimony or witness of God. .

The transfiguration is a picture the law and prophets giving the approval to the Son of man Jesus to represent all things written in the law and the prophets(sola scriptura) in the person of Christ. I would think the same two witnesses that will be killed or silenced for a short time in the book of Revelation.

Law and the prophets can be said as the law and the testimony

Interestingly he calls the two working together "this word".

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to "this word", it is because there is no light in them.
 

Noose

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sometimes i confuse Elijah & Elisha ;)

why wasn't it Jeremiah at the transfiguration?

and was Ezekiel Messiah?

As He spoke, the Spirit came into me and raised me to my feet,
and I heard Him speaking to me.
(Ezekiel 2:2)

And He said to me,
“Son of man, eat what is before you, eat this scroll; then go and speak to the people of Israel.”
So I opened my mouth, and He gave me the scroll to eat.
Then He said to me,
“Son of man, eat this scroll I am giving you and fill your stomach with it.”
So I ate it, and it tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth.
He then said to me: “Son of man, go now to the people of Israel and speak My words to them"
(Ezekiel 3:1-4)
I don't think this qualifies to be said 'that God occupied Ezekiel' in the same manner as Moses and Jeremiah where God put His word in them to accomplish His purpose, knowing that God's word is God.

Not sure why Jeremiah is not a party in mount transfiguration probably died and was buried long ago. Could be wrong on this one.
 
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As far as I know, there was only one tree Adam and Eve couldn’t eat from. and the tree of life wasn’t it.
 

posthuman

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I don't think this qualifies to be said 'that God occupied Ezekiel' in the same manner as Moses and Jeremiah where God put His word in them to accomplish His purpose, knowing that God's word is God.

Not sure why Jeremiah is not a party in mount transfiguration probably died and was buried long ago. Could be wrong on this one.
Ezekiel literally ate God's word, putting it inside him.
Ezekiel literally says the Spirit of God came into Him.


who is speaking & who is being addressed in Isaiah 51:16 ?
 
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Ezekiel literally ate God's word, putting it inside him.
Ezekiel literally says the Spirit of God came into Him.


who is speaking & who is being addressed in Isaiah 51:16 ?
And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.Isaiah 51:16

I would think it is a parable. The Spirit of Christ speaking or prophesying to those who have the Spirit of Christ the born again Spirit of God in them, not of them. . He lays his foundation as that seen on earth the temporal to represent the eternal, Zion, the city prepared as his bride. Saying to the Christians as residents of that city of Christ............Thou art my people who walk by faith, the unseen eternal.

2 Corinthians 4:18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The same eternal God not seen who put his words in the mouth of Balaam's ass in order to restrain the madness of that false prophet.
The ass is a unclean animal in ceremonial laws used to represent unconverted natural man who must be redeemed by the lamb of God or never rise to new spirit life. .

Exodus 13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

In both cases we can see that God is instructing us he not served by human hands as if he who satisfies all needs neded something from the clay he is forming Christ in.
 

Noose

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Ezekiel literally ate God's word, putting it inside him.
Ezekiel literally says the Spirit of God came into Him.


who is speaking & who is being addressed in Isaiah 51:16 ?
IMO, eating the scroll doesn't represent God occupying someone, it only represents specific timely message which that prophet would deliver because eating takes it to the stomach and not the heart.
But God putting His word into the mouth means God occupies them because in this context mouth represents the heart:

Proverbs 20:5The intentions of a man's heart are deep waters, but a man of understanding draws them out.
Pro 18: 4The words of a man’s mouth are deep waters; the fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook.
Proverbs 10:11The mouth of the righteous is a fountain of life, but the mouth of the wicked conceals violence.

Isa 51 is a prophesy of the Church (Zion) about how God is going to occupy them (put His word in their mouth) and establish the heavens and the earth. So God is speaking, addressing Isaiah who prophesied about the Zion.

You know that God creates through His word but you don't know how. I'm now bringing to your attention the how; God establishes the earth and the heavens in the mind of a man. Same thing in Genesis 1 and 2.
 

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What if Adam and Eve ate the tree of life? Will all the human beings in this world will be living in the garden of Eden? Also will the serpent forever be in the garden of Eden and cause harm on human beings?
Can you imagine the evilest people being able to live forever? That would be horrific.
 

posthuman

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So God is speaking,
why is Isaiah 51:15 both in 1st person and 3rd person?

But I am the LORD thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared:
The LORD of Hosts is His name.
(Isaiah 51:15)

how often does God speak about Himself as though He is someone else?


you sure He's talking about you ?
 

posthuman

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The reason Moses was a Messiah is that God put His words in his mouth- this basically means, God occupied Moses. There are only two prophets in the OT who God literally occupied, Moses and Elijah. This also explains why their deaths are not straight forward otherwise their deaths would mean salvation to the world which was not God's plan.
Thy word have I hid in mine heart
(Psalm 119:11)

Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, David.. ((Deuteronomy 18:18 isn't about Moses))

Jesus is no greater than any of these, you're telling me.
and all of creation originates and resides in Noose.

the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth
(Deuteronomy 30:14)
Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, David, literally every Israelite, every Christian -- you're telling me everyone is a little god, everyone created the universe for themselves in their own minds, every individual is the origin of all existence - in Noose, by Noose, through Noose and for Noose are all things created and without Noose's heart nothing that exists has existence?


Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart.
(Luke 2:19)
 

Noose

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why is Isaiah 51:15 both in 1st person and 3rd person?

But I am the LORD thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared:
The LORD of Hosts is His name.
(Isaiah 51:15)

how often does God speak about Himself as though He is someone else?

you sure He's talking about you ?
Of course we know who He is talking about:

Ecc 3:9 What does the worker gain from his toil? 10I have seen the burden that God has laid on men to occupy them. 11He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men, yet they cannot fathom the work God has done from beginning to end.

Ecc says the Lord occupies the human hearts but the humans can not understand.

Isa 51:
16I have put My words in your mouth,
and covered you in the shadow of My hand,
to establisha the heavens, to found the earth,
and to say to Zion, “You are My people.”

This is very clear, the Lord does not put His own words in His own mouth to establish the heavens and the earth but in His people's mouth. Isa 51:15, the Lord talks about Himself as the 3rd person as he has done so many times- proving my point that whoever He occupies, will have the authority of God. Name= authority.
 

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Wait the Garden Of Eden is parable? I thought It was actually literally taking seriously. I'm actually curious would life be differently. Were all human didn't have to die. Instead live enteral.
The Garden of Eden was real and might still be an existence today as there is an angel that is guarding the entrance to prevent someone from eating of the 'tree of life' that God does not permit. The serpent was expelled from the garden along with Adam and Eve. You have asked very good spiritual questions that merit consideration and study.