What if God had written IN STONE?

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That's the same day. Hardly evidence.
The day ended at sunset.

Did they observe the Sabbath before or after the Crucifixion?
I submit the entire history of the Christian church, which did not and does not keep the Saturday Sabbath.
You have no way at all to prove that and there is much evidence in the NT to disprove it.
 

Inquisitor

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Would that convince the doubting faithless of the permanence of His declaration of expectations for mankind? Ever so sadly not.

Modern perspectives would lead many to believe that the 10 Commandments were written in stone due to some primitive caveman evolutionary gobbledy-gook. "Well it's because that's all they had back then!", they surmise.

The fact is that everything God has ever done has had deep symbolic meaning beneath the obvious surface purposes.

The 10 Commandments written in stone could not have been a more obvious declaration from God Almighty that they were intended to stand forever and never, ever be changed. Just as God is unchanging, so are His Laws and the 10 Commandments are also a moral structure of just who God is. It's no coincidence that Jesus Christ is referred to as the rock; the solid, unchanging, immovable foundation of Truth and all things holy and just.

The 10 Commandments were given to all mankind and Christ reiterated their importance by teaching them all, obeying them all and made certain that His followers understood to continue to keep them after His Crucifixion - which is exactly what they did. It would only make sense that He would do so as He was the Creator of them.

Why then do we have so many naysayers today who make such ridiculous claims as 'You will be damned to hell if you obey the Commandments!' and 'Obedience to the Commandments is "works salvation"!'? The Bible told us very clearly that we would have grievous wolves come into the churches and lead many astray. We have been told that the blind leaders of the blind lead many into the ditch. We have also been told by Jesus Himself that the road to salvation is a narrow one and many, many would be led down the wide road to destruction.

The 10 Commandments are now, and always will be, applicable to all professed Christians and they are quite literally the very foundation of the Christian Faith.
Jesus fulfilled the ten commandments as well as the entire law. For that reason, we no longer seek our own righteousness through the law. We only need to accept the righteousness of Jesus in the form of a free gift.

Galatians 3:1-4
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

I hope that you are perfectly righteous before Jesus.
 

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Right. Those are an abbreviation of the decalogue (10 Commandments).

John 14:15
John 15:14
Matt. 19:17
1 Jn. 5:3
Rev. 14:12

The 10 Commandments are the Stone foundation of the Christian Faith. Jesus' significance echoes this fact when He is referred to as 'The Rock.'
The Holy Spirit in the book of Acts gave the Gentiles four commandments.

Acts 15:19-20
Therefore, it is my judgment that we do not cause trouble for those from the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols, from acts of sexual immorality, from what has been strangled, and from blood.

Are you trying to tell the Gentiles that they did not receive, these four commandments?
 

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Would that convince the doubting faithless of the permanence of His declaration of expectations for mankind? Ever so sadly not.

Modern perspectives would lead many to believe that the 10 Commandments were written in stone due to some primitive caveman evolutionary gobbledy-gook. "Well it's because that's all they had back then!", they surmise.

The fact is that everything God has ever done has had deep symbolic meaning beneath the obvious surface purposes.

The 10 Commandments written in stone could not have been a more obvious declaration from God Almighty that they were intended to stand forever and never, ever be changed. Just as God is unchanging, so are His Laws and the 10 Commandments are also a moral structure of just who God is. It's no coincidence that Jesus Christ is referred to as the rock; the solid, unchanging, immovable foundation of Truth and all things holy and just.

The 10 Commandments were given to all mankind and Christ reiterated their importance by teaching them all, obeying them all and made certain that His followers understood to continue to keep them after His Crucifixion - which is exactly what they did. It would only make sense that He would do so as He was the Creator of them.

Why then do we have so many naysayers today who make such ridiculous claims as 'You will be damned to hell if you obey the Commandments!' and 'Obedience to the Commandments is "works salvation"!'? The Bible told us very clearly that we would have grievous wolves come into the churches and lead many astray. We have been told that the blind leaders of the blind lead many into the ditch. We have also been told by Jesus Himself that the road to salvation is a narrow one and many, many would be led down the wide road to destruction.

The 10 Commandments are now, and always will be, applicable to all professed Christians and they are quite literally the very foundation of the Christian Faith.
You are either a Catholic or Reformed?
 

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Why then do we have so many naysayers today who make such ridiculous claims as 'You will be damned to hell if you obey the Commandments!'
No one says something this stupid.
 

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First of all, God (Jesus Christ) did write the Ten Commandments in stone...

Exo_31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deu_9:10 Then the LORD delivered to me two tablets of stone written with the finger of God, and on them were all the words which the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Christ plainly says that keeping the Commandments for salvation...

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
“But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

how shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

For if the ministration of condemnation be glory,

much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:7-9, 12-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“ thou shalt not kill “ isnt what God is telling us to do it’s what he’s telling us not to do

thou shalt not do this thing , Thou shalt not do that other thing …..

to hear what God is teaching man to do we have to turn to the gospel the word of the Lord we have to receive the spirit

It is the spirit that quickeneth;

the flesh profiteth nothing:

the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭

The reason the commandments were engraved in stone is because the people wouldnt allow them to be written on thier hearts and minds inside

“ don’t lie “ is given to habitual liars who won’t repent ,” Thou shalt not kill “ is for murderers and killers and violent at heart Thou shalt not commit adultery “ is for adulterers at heart who won’t repent

The law of Moses was given to the three people

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to our trust.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law is Moses mediation for those sinners without the spirit meant for this purpose

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when the gospel came it isn’t for that purpose it’s for this purpose

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what im saying is we do need to obey the commandments but I’m talking about the things Jesus told us to do , those things Moses was saying are for old corrupt sinners who couldn’t repent d have remission of sins until he came preaching the gospel thats what gives sinners repentance and life

The law is telling sinners what not to do

Christian’s need to start and end with Jesus and the gospel he is our shepherd
 

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#67
The day ended at sunset.
You know what I mean. Nothing would change in such a short time but in time it was taught that the Sabbath was fulfilled and Christians would be practicing a new religion with a new covenant and new law.



Did they observe the Sabbath before or after the Crucifixion?You have no way at all to prove that and there is much evidence in the NT to disprove it.

I am a Sabbath keeper, just not for Saturdays only and not all the rules like no working or gathering or traveling etc. I, as a Christian, am free from the old laws of death and slavery of the old law.
 

Niki7

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Nobody is free to sin.

The Bible defines sin in 1 Jn. 3:4 as the breaking of the 10 Commandments. That proves that Christians can still sin, which proves we must still obey the Commandments.

Did Jesus teach the 10 Commandments?

Did Jesus obey them all?

Did His followers, the first Christians, obey them after His death?

All proof of the continuity of the 10 Commandments to this very day.
You have not tried to twist scripture, so I will respond.

Did Jesus die on the cross and state 'It is finished'

Was Jesus perfect in all He did

You are deliberately ignoring large passages in the Bible in order to try and make it sound as if Christians here believe we do not have to follow the morality outlined in the 10 commandments...which is what I addressed and you glossed over.

you forget that the 10 commandments are a part of the entire law which points out sin and saves no one.

why are you insisting on the 10 commandments when we know no one can keep them?

you misrepresent what Christians are actually saying when they point out what the Bibles states about obeying all the law. you leave out the part of animal sacrifice which points to the final sacrifice
 

Niki7

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#69
Yeah, ok.

As always, somebody jumps up and claims that it's been declared that we must obey the 10 Commandments as a means to Salvation. Nobody has stated that yet. Only Jesus saves. Obedience to the Commandments is only part of the recipe and Jesus Himself says that those who love Him WILL obey the Commandments.

I post nothing that isn't straight from the Bible.

Nice talkin to ya.
That is exactly what you are doing. Exactly. Obedience is with regards to all Jesus taught and that would include the fact no one can go to Father God by obeying anything.
 

Niki7

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No Christian will accept/admit that the 10 Commandments must still be obeyed today until they accept the 3 undeniable facts straight from the Bible.

1. Jesus taught the 10 Commandments.
2. Jesus obeyed the 10 Commandments.
3. Jesus' followers obeyed the 10 Commandments after His death.

That is the simplest recipe for the absolute demolition of the modern false teaching that we are not to obey them anymore.

And nobody can disprove any of those 3 using Scripture.
and yet no one has said we should disobey them. we cannot satisfy the commandments without new life in Christ and He is the first one to say that. whether you think so or not, you are believing that parts of the law are still required

what you do not seem able to understand, is that those who follow Christ understand we do not remain in sin or revel in disobedience

big news flash: the entire law was required in order to by holy but this law only emphasized sin and did not make anyone holy in God's eyes. yet, you try to say that people snub the commandments and attempt to supply a superior interpretation by ignoring the entire truth

go ahead and point to anyone here who has said we are no longer expected to be morally outstanding. your supply of objections do not even have anyone to receive them
 

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The LAW, is a System.
the Commandments, are direct sins towards God.
please explain how the law is a system. any part of breaking any part of the law....which includes all of it; is punishable by death. That includes what you refer to as a system.

Certain people like to reference Jesus saying to obey the commandments and so apply that to Christians who are not under law. Are you under law? NO ONE says we are free to sin. We understand that Jesus lived under the law but does not oblige anyone to keep any part of the law as a hangover from the law given to the Israelites.

Ever heard of the law of liberty?

the law of Christ is a law of liberty, a law of freedom made operative through the Spirit of God within us. Nothing in our sin nature could produce a godly life. Indeed, it is opposed to righteousness. It is void of all power to do what pleases God Galatians 5: 1-7

God does not judge us on our ability to keep any commandment. In fact, we are made righteous in Christ and He alone is the way to God.

You say the 10 commandments are direct sins towards God. That, would automatically create sins that are not against Gods laws

No where in scripture is sin compartmentalized the way you indicate. Which sin does God overlook then? Which sin is not a direct insult to His perfection and holiness?

smh
 

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No one says something this stupid.
Except that if "obeying the commandments is ALL you do (and you won't do it perfectly), then hell's your destination. Simple as that.
 
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Jesus fulfilled the ten commandments as well as the entire law. For that reason, we no longer seek our own righteousness through the law. We only need to accept the righteousness of Jesus in the form of a free gift.

Galatians 3:1-4
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

I hope that you are perfectly righteous before Jesus.
Jesus is perfectly righteous.

He is my righteousness. His Spirit dwells within me and inspires and enables me to desire to strive to walk in His ways and obey the 10 Commandments - just as He did. (John 15:10)

Christian means follower of Christ.

I follow Christ in what He taught, what He did and what His followers did after His death. His followers knew Him, and what He expected of Christians, far better than any of us alive today.
 
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The Holy Spirit in the book of Acts gave the Gentiles four commandments.

Acts 15:19-20
Therefore, it is my judgment that we do not cause trouble for those from the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols, from acts of sexual immorality, from what has been strangled, and from blood.

Are you trying to tell the Gentiles that they did not receive, these four commandments?
Are you trying to tell us that Jesus didn't teach and obey the 10 Commandments?
 
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You know what I mean. Nothing would change in such a short time but in time it was taught that the Sabbath was fulfilled and Christians would be practicing a new religion with a new covenant and new law.
Did Jesus teach His followers what He expected to happen after His death on the Cross?

Are you claiming He told His followers nothing about the Commandments ending at the Cross? That'd be a pretty huge oversight.

Don't you think?
I am a Sabbath keeper, just not for Saturdays only and not all the rules like no working or gathering or traveling etc. I, as a Christian, am free from the old laws of death and slavery of the old law.
The 10 Commandments are not laws of death and slavery and the Bible speaks of them positively in countless places, including Paul's references to them as being good and holy and the Psalms speaking positively of them over and over like in Psalm 119. The longest chapter in the Bible and it repeatedly speaks well of the decalogue over and over throughout.
 

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#78
Jesus is perfectly righteous.

He is my righteousness. His Spirit dwells within me and inspires and enables me to desire to strive to walk in His ways and obey the 10 Commandments - just as He did. (John 15:10)

Christian means follower of Christ.

I follow Christ in what He taught, what He did and what His followers did after His death. His followers knew Him, and what He expected of Christians, far better than any of us alive today.
To keep the commandments one doesn't and shouldn't strive to obey; they should strive to walk in the Spirit. No one ever trying to keep the commandments ever obeyed, except Jesus. Everyone who is led the Spirit has obeyed perfectly, because He who is perfect is living in them.
 

Cameron143

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People say some version of that, at least imply it, all ... the ... time.

On every forum I've ever seen.
You think this because you misunderstand what they are saying.