What if the ones who say we must repent after we are saved if we sin are right?
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Repentance is a life long thing. We should repent every day. Repentance means to turn away from. Not just ask for forgiveness of sins, although that is an important part of it.
Example:
We are walking in the way of Sin all of our lives until we come to God, but when we repent we turn away from our sin, Die to ourselves (the dying of our flesh) and walk towards God Here is a diagram:
Before God:
Sin------------<-----------<------------<--------------God
After God (Repentance)
Sin-------------->----------------->--------------->God
We are all sinners from the time we are in the womb, because our parents were sinners. So when we repent we die to our flesh and what we want and then turn to God and walk away from our evil ways.
Example:
We are walking in the way of Sin all of our lives until we come to God, but when we repent we turn away from our sin, Die to ourselves (the dying of our flesh) and walk towards God Here is a diagram:
Before God:
Sin------------<-----------<------------<--------------God
After God (Repentance)
Sin-------------->----------------->--------------->God
We are all sinners from the time we are in the womb, because our parents were sinners. So when we repent we die to our flesh and what we want and then turn to God and walk away from our evil ways.
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In contrast to Arminianism, moderate Calvinism demonstrates that there is strong biblical, theological, and historical support for the doctrine of eternal security. In distinction from the implication of strong Calvinism, moderate Calvinism shows that a believer can have real assurance that they are among the elect, that the issue is not his faithfulness but God's. Moderate Calvinists reject the view that there is security for the elect but no assurance that one is of the elect unless he endures.
In this regard, it is ironic that Arminians are more "Calvinistic" than Calvinists, for Arminianism holds that a believer can have assurance that he is now saved even if he does not have security that he will ultimately be saved. By contrast, moderate Calvinism holds that we can have both present assurance and eternal security.
There's really four positions on the subject of eternal security. They are:
Strong Calvinism: believe in the security of the elect. Nevertheless, they cannot, at present, be absolutely sure that they are among the elect. Each person, it is argued, can only prove his or her election by persevering to the end.
Moderate Calvinism: hold that they are eternally secure and can be presently sure of it. Hence, they claim to have both eternal security and present assurance.
Classical Arminianism: those who believe salvation can be lost are called Arminians. They are divided into two basic camps: Classical Arminians, who follow Jacob Arminius (1560-1609), and Wesleyan Arminians, who follow John Wesley (1703-1791). Classical Arminians maintain that a saved person can lose salvation but only by the sin of apostasy-a complete denial of Christ. Once someone has apostasized, he can never be saved again.
Wesleyan Arminians argue that salvation can be lost through any serious intentional sin.
Most of us evangelicals hold to moderate calvinism. Though the discussion is lengthy, there are many arguments in favor of eternal security, along with present assurance, for all believers.
According to the Bible, God's grace of salvation is not bestowed automatically or unilaterally on sinners but is received only through faith. Paul is careful to qualify how God's gracious provision of eternal life is received: "It is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8).
Saving faith involves true repentance (Acts 1'7:30-31; 20:21; cf.19:4), and true repentance in a saved and spiritually reborn person will naturally lead to good works (Matt. 3:8;Acts 26:20).
But true believers can fall into sin. These believers who fall into sin and fail to avail themselves of God's grace receive His discipline as His children. Hebrews tells us: "The Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son". True believers can "backslide" (Jer. 3:14 NKJV) or be "overtaken in any trespass" (Gal. 6:l NKJV) or commit "sins" (1 John 1:8-9). David did and he paid dearly (2 Sam. 12). Lot, who lived in Sodom, was "a righteous man" (2 Pet. 2:7), but he fell into sin, as did Noah, a great man of faith (Gen. 9).
Likewise, Abraham, "the father of many nations," was beset by deceit and unbelief (Gen. 20-21). In the New Testament, even John the Baptist, the herald of the Messiah, had his doubts (Luke 7:19), but Jesus said he would be in the kingdom of God (Matt. 11:ll). Peter, who denied the Lord three times, did not lose his salvation (John 21:15-19; cf. Matt. 2634-36). Paul speaks of "carnal" believers (1 Cor. 3:1, 3 KJV); indeed, the Corinthian church as a whole was living in various kinds of sin, yet Paul addressed them as "saints" (1:2 KJV). Even the believer who committed incest was rescued (5:5). Of course, not all Christians will receive rewards in heaven (3:12-14); some will be saved "as through fire" (v. 15 NKJV.).
No believer gets away with sin: "We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due to him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad" (2 Cor. 5:10).
God deeply loves us and if we will but have a soft heart toward Him and commit our life to God seeking first the kingdom of heaven and asking to be used by God we certainly shall have eternal riches at the end of this life.
Real repentance is a good thing. It is something Christians do regularly. Repentance is not just an isolated act that is performed when one initially comes to God. Repentance is ongoing (2 Cor. 7:8 ff.). Feel free to ask God to forgive you if you sin and turn away from it with His help.
Deliverance and recovery is still another discussion. Peace and God bless you.
In this regard, it is ironic that Arminians are more "Calvinistic" than Calvinists, for Arminianism holds that a believer can have assurance that he is now saved even if he does not have security that he will ultimately be saved. By contrast, moderate Calvinism holds that we can have both present assurance and eternal security.
There's really four positions on the subject of eternal security. They are:
Strong Calvinism: believe in the security of the elect. Nevertheless, they cannot, at present, be absolutely sure that they are among the elect. Each person, it is argued, can only prove his or her election by persevering to the end.
Moderate Calvinism: hold that they are eternally secure and can be presently sure of it. Hence, they claim to have both eternal security and present assurance.
Classical Arminianism: those who believe salvation can be lost are called Arminians. They are divided into two basic camps: Classical Arminians, who follow Jacob Arminius (1560-1609), and Wesleyan Arminians, who follow John Wesley (1703-1791). Classical Arminians maintain that a saved person can lose salvation but only by the sin of apostasy-a complete denial of Christ. Once someone has apostasized, he can never be saved again.
Wesleyan Arminians argue that salvation can be lost through any serious intentional sin.
Most of us evangelicals hold to moderate calvinism. Though the discussion is lengthy, there are many arguments in favor of eternal security, along with present assurance, for all believers.
According to the Bible, God's grace of salvation is not bestowed automatically or unilaterally on sinners but is received only through faith. Paul is careful to qualify how God's gracious provision of eternal life is received: "It is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Eph. 2:8).
Saving faith involves true repentance (Acts 1'7:30-31; 20:21; cf.19:4), and true repentance in a saved and spiritually reborn person will naturally lead to good works (Matt. 3:8;Acts 26:20).
But true believers can fall into sin. These believers who fall into sin and fail to avail themselves of God's grace receive His discipline as His children. Hebrews tells us: "The Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son". True believers can "backslide" (Jer. 3:14 NKJV) or be "overtaken in any trespass" (Gal. 6:l NKJV) or commit "sins" (1 John 1:8-9). David did and he paid dearly (2 Sam. 12). Lot, who lived in Sodom, was "a righteous man" (2 Pet. 2:7), but he fell into sin, as did Noah, a great man of faith (Gen. 9).
Likewise, Abraham, "the father of many nations," was beset by deceit and unbelief (Gen. 20-21). In the New Testament, even John the Baptist, the herald of the Messiah, had his doubts (Luke 7:19), but Jesus said he would be in the kingdom of God (Matt. 11:ll). Peter, who denied the Lord three times, did not lose his salvation (John 21:15-19; cf. Matt. 2634-36). Paul speaks of "carnal" believers (1 Cor. 3:1, 3 KJV); indeed, the Corinthian church as a whole was living in various kinds of sin, yet Paul addressed them as "saints" (1:2 KJV). Even the believer who committed incest was rescued (5:5). Of course, not all Christians will receive rewards in heaven (3:12-14); some will be saved "as through fire" (v. 15 NKJV.).
No believer gets away with sin: "We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due to him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad" (2 Cor. 5:10).
God deeply loves us and if we will but have a soft heart toward Him and commit our life to God seeking first the kingdom of heaven and asking to be used by God we certainly shall have eternal riches at the end of this life.
Real repentance is a good thing. It is something Christians do regularly. Repentance is not just an isolated act that is performed when one initially comes to God. Repentance is ongoing (2 Cor. 7:8 ff.). Feel free to ask God to forgive you if you sin and turn away from it with His help.
Deliverance and recovery is still another discussion. Peace and God bless you.
I have heard repentance described many ways, but none of them satisfied my heart, until I came to know God. Repentance that saves is not repentance from just our sins, but from our life that is devoid of God. when we understand that we are corrupt completely, that we are incapable of being good, then it follows that repentance of our sons is not very useful unless we repent of who and what we are in this life in the world. Jesus did say that the one who loves his life shall loose it, but that the one who hates hos life in this world shall find it to life eternal.
If once we become Christians we always ask for the forgiveness of every wrong/sin we commit. What is sin? Not living according to how Christ taught us to live? I would imagine most of us(me anyway) woulds be on our knees most of the time with few breaks in between. Do we always love others as ourselves? Do we every day live a life completely in line with the beatitudes ceaselessly?
To me the important thing is that in our hearts we are looking to Jesus each day and trusting him, and relying on the Holy Spirit in us for our strength. If we are doing this we want in our hearts to please God and live as He would have us live. All of our wrongs while we are in this state have been covered by Christi'as death on the cross for us.
It is when we look away from Jesus and to ourselves and the flesh and wilfully, deliberately sin that we need to come before God in deep repentance and seek forgiveness of our sin.
To me the important thing is that in our hearts we are looking to Jesus each day and trusting him, and relying on the Holy Spirit in us for our strength. If we are doing this we want in our hearts to please God and live as He would have us live. All of our wrongs while we are in this state have been covered by Christi'as death on the cross for us.
It is when we look away from Jesus and to ourselves and the flesh and wilfully, deliberately sin that we need to come before God in deep repentance and seek forgiveness of our sin.
We are all sinners from the time we are in the womb ? because our parents were sinners ????
does it make SENSE, when we was in the womb we did nothing , no somthing bad nor somthing right, if your father was akiller or athief no body will arrest him and his progeny becouse he was athiefr, nobody will punish you and your brothers becouse of his sin, will punish him alone, thise is the law of the human beings, but our lord, the creator of the heavens and the earth is just more than human beings, adam did what he did thise is NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY becouse i did not, and i do what i do thise is NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, when we was in the womb we was not sinner becouse of his sin we did not agree him on his sin we even did not know what he did but AFTER CENTURYS
does it make SENSE, when we was in the womb we did nothing , no somthing bad nor somthing right, if your father was akiller or athief no body will arrest him and his progeny becouse he was athiefr, nobody will punish you and your brothers becouse of his sin, will punish him alone, thise is the law of the human beings, but our lord, the creator of the heavens and the earth is just more than human beings, adam did what he did thise is NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY becouse i did not, and i do what i do thise is NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, when we was in the womb we was not sinner becouse of his sin we did not agree him on his sin we even did not know what he did but AFTER CENTURYS
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When Adam sinned, we were "in his loins". He was the representative of all humanity. The alternative to that would be that each of us would go through the trauma of being born sinless in a fallen world (and being hated for it), going through an individual fall ourselves and then living as sinners who despise our own fallen children. What great suffering would be on the world!