What if the ones who say we must repent after we are saved if we sin are right?

[serpentslayer]

In the Beginning, the lie the serpent told Eve was this: you may sin (eat the forbidden
fruit) and still live. Of course, what he said was true in part because eating the fruit
did not cause her to die physically: but the death spoke of in the Commandment was a
spiritual death. Well, i can tell you that the serpent and his seed have not changed that
message in the 6000+yrs of man upon the earth. I still here it preached that one can
sin and yet enter into Paradise: and this is a ****able doctrine which will keep many
out of Heaven.
We must all pay for the sin of Adam because, as we now understand it, sin dwells in
the flesh (Rom6,7,8), which is the body. This is 'carnality' and it is the evil tendencies
we are born with which will lead us to commit sins. We are not liars because we lie,
we lie because we are liars. First and foremost, man is a liar! ANd we cannot be
forgiven of this 'sin in the flesh' because we did not commit it; but, this is where the
power of the blood of Jesus Christ has set us free from our evil tendencies, by the Holy
Spirit whom shall teach you all you need, when you need it (assuming you are
searching), and lead you whereby you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Gal5:16).
Sin is the issue, and Holiness is the cure (Heb12:14): and Christianity is a walk in life
where one follows and catches up with Jesus, who showed us what one could do when
one is lead by the Spirit, which is not sin and speak no guile (1Pt2:22). ANd repentence
is a necessary step for those who get turned around (sin) or take a detour and get lost
(be deceived):and confession is the other (1Jn1:9). In all things though, it is our
conscience which convicts us or excuses us, and it is the Holy Spirit which confirms
this (Rom8:16).

So make no mistake about it, one cannot sin and enter into Paradise; but, as a true
believer, one seeks to be perfect, which is Holy, with the Bible as the map (2Tim3:15
-17) and the Spirit as the Guide, all the while realizing that as long as the body is
alive, sin (carnality) is ever-present: as it is written,

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin
lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over
him.

 

[VW]

Repentance from sin is the least of what we should be repenting from. When we see the way our life truly is in the light of God's holiness, and leave behind the elemental teachings of repentance from dead works among others, and repent from a life that is lived after the power of the flesh rather tthan a life lived in the power of God, now this is true repentance.

 

[Dmurray]

Repentance from sin is the least of what we should be repenting from. When we see the way our life truly is in the light of God's holiness, and leave behind the elemental teachings of repentance from dead works among others, and repent from a life that is lived after the power of the flesh rather tthan a life lived in the power of God, now this is true repentance.

Exactly, we must "die" to ourselves. No longer serve our flesh. Sometimes I don't do this all too well, but we all have struggles, and we are not perfect by any means.

 

[livingbygrace]

Therefore ther is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because throiugh Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so He condemned sin in sinful man in order that the righteous requirements of the law may be fuully met in us who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit
Rom8:1-4

I take that to mean that if we follow after the Spirit although we will still sin Jesus by dying for us has paid the price of our sins by becoming a sin offering for us. Because if we are following after the Holy Spirit we want to live as God would have us live and are not setting our hearts against God and wanting to wilfully deliberately sin. I know I am a sinner saved by grace,

I cannot say I never sin, but I can say that by the grace of God, by trusting in His Son and relying on the Holy Spirit my imperfections may become less ands less as time goes on.

 

[VW]

Exactly, we must "die" to ourselves. No longer serve our flesh. Sometimes I don't do this all too well, but we all have struggles, and we are not perfect by any means.

I find that I die to myself most when I am in God's presence. That is, the power of my life after the flesh is decreased or destroyed there in the holy place where God dwells. no struggle, because no flesh can see God and live.

 

[VW]

Therefore ther is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because throiugh Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so He condemned sin in sinful man in order that the righteous requirements of the law may be fuully met in us who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit
Rom8:1-4

I take that to mean that if we follow after the Spirit although we will still sin Jesus by dying for us has paid the price of our sins by becoming a sin offering for us. Because if we are following after the Holy Spirit we want to live as God would have us live and are not setting our hearts against God and wanting to wilfully deliberately sin. I know I am a sinner saved by grace,

I cannot say I never sin, but I can say that by the grace of God, by trusting in His Son and relying on the Holy Spirit my imperfections may become less ands less as time goes on.

As Paul wrote, we are putting to death the deeds of the flesh by the Spirit, and because we have the Spirit we are the children of God. None of is is free from the flesh, we all must deal with sin, not the remission of sin bit the truth of sin in us. The real struggle is honesty, seeing ourselves in the truth of God's light that Jesus is, and walking in that truth. It is very easy tomignore the truth that this light brings, to not even come to this light, in order to avoid the blow to our self image. God truly doesmdesire truthfulness in the inner most parts.

What I find so wonderful is the freedom that comes from from seeking and finding and walking in this light and truth. I know that no matter what I see of myself in His light, His love through Jesus will always be mine, and I never need fear rejection by God. Truly a gift of inestimable value.

 

[paulnsilas]

What if the ones who say we must repent after we are saved if we sin are right? What if when Jesus comes for us or we come to the end of our lives we find these people were right?

What if we find that we wrong and just repented when we didn't need to.

But if we need to and never did then what??

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.



For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Matthew 6:9-15

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

Okay just my thoughts here: I just read in my Life in the Spirit KJV study Bible an article on The Day of Atonement,and I realized many things that are so very true in that, but are NOT taught and preached in churches today. I now have a much better understanding,and know more about it woot! Anyhow, here's the thing.The sacrifices on the Day of Atonement provided a ''cover over'' of sin, NOT a taking away of sin. Christ blood shed on the cross, however, is God's ultimate atonement for human kind,which takes away sin and guilt.
Hebrews 10:1-10For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


I don't believe, in fact I know that it has nothing to do with character, and I do believe and know that although we get saved, we do continue in sin...that's the nature we are born with. However,that's why Jesus died and rose again for us, He was the sin offering on our behalf. Alright, just my thoughts. I didn't read most of the post here....I didn't have time...but anyhow, there it is. God bless everyone!

 

[guidance-]

JESUS christ LOVE YOU ? ​

there are many murderers, there are many extorters, there are many robbers, there are many liars and they all believe that they will go to the paradise because jesus killed himself for them because he loves them, how u can trust your friend, HE CAN DECEIVE YOU , JESUS LOVE HIM ANYWAY, how u can trust your wife, SHE CAN BETRAY YOU, JESUS LOVE HER ANYWAY and how u can trust me, I CAN LIE ON YOU , the honest here equal to the laier, the good here equal to the bad, becouse jesus love them all, then you talking about repentance!

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

JESUS christ LOVE YOU ? ​

there are many murderers, there are many extorters, there are many robbers, there are many liars and they all believe that they will go to the paradise because jesus killed himself for them because he loves them, how u can trust your friend, HE CAN DECEIVE YOU , JESUS LOVE HIM ANYWAY, how u can trust your wife, SHE CAN BETRAY YOU, JESUS LOVE HER ANYWAY and how u can trust me, I CAN LIE ON YOU , the honest here equal to the laier, the good here equal to the bad, becouse jesus love them all, then you talking about repentance!

Love is different from repentance. You should look up what each word means. Jesus didn't ''kill himself'' He didn't commit suicide, He was taken, and went willingly. He laid down His life, that's not killing Himself. Love means:The high esteem which God has for His human children and the high regard which they,in turn, should have for Him and other people. Love is not only one of God's attributes; it is also an essential part of His nature. Repentance: A turning away from sin,disobedience,or rebellion and a turning back to God. In a more general sense,repentance means a change of mind or a feeling of remorse or regret for past conduct. True repentance is a ''godly sorrow'' for sin,an act of turning around and going in the opposite direction. This type of repentance leads to a fundamental change in a person's relationship to God.

So you see my friend, you need to make sure you understand, and know what terms mean, in the true context mind you. I mean what I say out of love, I didn't want you to continue to be confused on the meanings of those two words as they're very crucial ones. God bless.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Love is different from repentance. You should look up what each word means. Jesus didn't ''kill himself'' He didn't commit suicide, He was taken, and went willingly. He laid down His life, that's not killing Himself. Love means:The high esteem which God has for His human children and the high regard which they,in turn, should have for Him and other people. Love is not only one of God's attributes; it is also an essential part of His nature. Repentance: A turning away from sin,disobedience,or rebellion and a turning back to God. In a more general sense,repentance means a change of mind or a feeling of remorse or regret for past conduct. True repentance is a ''godly sorrow'' for sin,an act of turning around and going in the opposite direction. This type of repentance leads to a fundamental change in a person's relationship to God.

So you see my friend, you need to make sure you understand, and know what terms mean, in the true context mind you. I mean what I say out of love, I didn't want you to continue to be confused on the meanings of those two words as they're very crucial ones. God bless.

I agree. Suicide is ultimately selfish (though often the product of a tortured soul). Sacrifice is the ultimate act of selflessness. Jesus did not commit suicide, he commited self-sacrifice.
Love is perhaps the purset revelation of the nature of God.
Repentance without turning away means nothing.
Nice post!

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

I agree. Suicide is ultimately selfish (though often the product of a tortured soul). Sacrifice is the ultimate act of selflessness. Jesus did not commit suicide, he commited self-sacrifice.
Love is perhaps the purset revelation of the nature of God.
Repentance without turning away means nothing.
Nice post!

Thank you sir

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

Here is what Scripture says about this,and I'm posting to show that God's word proves and defends itself. 1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

As for the part that said most think they'll go to paradise, here's some scripture saying how Jesus liberated paradise:

Ephesians 4:8-10 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)