What if you die before water baptism?
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Yeah I’ve heard a lot of theories over time lots of different movements come and go if you look at it over decades rather than days or years
we hear so much differences but then we were warned long ago that different doctrines would come later and turn people against the true doctrines of God
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
in the end I only have my own soul tbat I have to answer the lord with . I don’t have to answer for another who wasnt baptized but that’s between them and Jesus . and I mean that I like to try to share scripture most Christian’s will at least consider scripture.. at least tbey used to thirty years ago or more
i believe the things the Bible says so as best I can understand it with prayer consideration and study and also practicing it when I have the chance in life as best I can as well that really helps most
we hear so much differences but then we were warned long ago that different doctrines would come later and turn people against the true doctrines of God
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
in the end I only have my own soul tbat I have to answer the lord with . I don’t have to answer for another who wasnt baptized but that’s between them and Jesus . and I mean that I like to try to share scripture most Christian’s will at least consider scripture.. at least tbey used to thirty years ago or more
i believe the things the Bible says so as best I can understand it with prayer consideration and study and also practicing it when I have the chance in life as best I can as well that really helps most
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cool don't worry your not on trial with me, all tho I will always watch my brother 😊
So I didn't think I had a need to get baptised a third time, but at my church there was a special event I just stumbled upon one day.
And I thought why not, so I got baptised, just the next day my long shoulder pain vanished 😂
So I didn't think I had a need to get baptised a third time, but at my church there was a special event I just stumbled upon one day.
And I thought why not, so I got baptised, just the next day my long shoulder pain vanished 😂
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Adding works to grace is not wise. You make salvation conditional on something that we do. There is nothing that we can do but believe and receive Christ. Christians should be baptised, but it does not save us. If you bothered to read what the Bible says about baptism, you would know why we are baptised. It has nothing to do with being born again.
Baptismal regeneration is a false and divisive doctrine. It's based on cherry picking some verses and ignoring the rest. It is not even logical. I know of Christians who were born again in prison and were executed. They were not allowed to be baptised. Those who promote this false doctrine would condemn those men to hell.
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This is false doctrine based on cherry picking ?
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
How are Abraham’s hiers born if we just read this for what it clearly and plainly says ?
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
How are Abraham’s hiers born if we just read this for what it clearly and plainly says ?
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Being baptised into Christ is done by the Holy Spirit, not by immersion in water. Water baptism symbolises our death with Christ. What do you do with a dead person? You bury them. And that is what the bible says. Colossians 2:12 and Romans 6:4. You don't bury a live person. We do not die with Christ until we believe and receive Him (Galatians 2:20). No one can unsettle me regarding my salvation. It's as sure as the Word of Jesus. I was born again maybe a year before I was baptised. I was led to the Lord by a baby sprinkler and I had no knowledge of baptism by immersion. Do you seriously think that if I died before being baptised I would have been rejected by God? For not getting wet in ignorance?
Perhaps you reject Martin Luther as a believer. He was not baptised, only sprinkled as a baby. And likewise countless other born again believers.
Perhaps you reject Martin Luther as a believer. He was not baptised, only sprinkled as a baby. And likewise countless other born again believers.
”Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.“
1 John 5:1 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV
1 John 5:1 has to be true as well. If you simply translate baptized in Galatians 3:26 it would say: For as many of you as have been immersed into Christ have put on Christ. It’s not a physical water baptism, it’s an immersion into Christ by the Holy Spirit. You can see this immersion in Ephesians 1:13.
”In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,“
Ephesians 1:13 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/eph.1.13.ESV
You were sealed into Christ by the Holy Spirit when you heard the word and believed it. You were immersed into Christ.
1 John 5:1 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV
1 John 5:1 has to be true as well. If you simply translate baptized in Galatians 3:26 it would say: For as many of you as have been immersed into Christ have put on Christ. It’s not a physical water baptism, it’s an immersion into Christ by the Holy Spirit. You can see this immersion in Ephesians 1:13.
”In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,“
Ephesians 1:13 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/eph.1.13.ESV
You were sealed into Christ by the Holy Spirit when you heard the word and believed it. You were immersed into Christ.
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Thank God we're Christians and not part of that catholic religious stuff that's not even in the Bible! 
Jesus sad to tax collector, the pharisee who said thank God I'm not a like that man was less remembered than the tax collector who said I am a sinner.
BINGO!!
The question posed is a hypothetical. I'm not saying this is the OP's intent, but the goal of this particular hypothetical is not to establish truth but to undermine truth. We need to look to God's word for answers, not hypotheticals.
Satan is doing his best to confuse us. If he can get us to take our eyes off God's word and seek truth elsewhere, he's done his job. That is what this question is doing.
Baptism doesn't save anyone? That's contrary to what God's word says.
that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. 21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you NASB
Right there in black and white. Baptism now saves you.
Now people, like those who look to hypotheticals for truth, will do everything they can to tell you baptism doesn't save you even though the bible says it does. They will tell you baptism is an outward showing of an inward change. Again, the bible doesn't say that anywhere. Bible says baptism now saves you.
I will trust my eternal destiny on what the bible tells me, not on what it doesn't say and man's hypothetical questions.
Correct, under the new covenant we are not required to be circumcised. God commanded circumcision for the Jews.
Ask yourself, under that covenant, what became of the Jew who was not circumcised? Gen. 17:14
Under the new covenant, the bible tells us we are spiritually circumcised. How are we spiritually circumcised? By having been baptized, past tense.
11 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with Him in baptism,
The prophet in 1 Kings 13 believed what a man told him contrary to what God told him, and it cost him. Let's not make the same mistake.
The question posed is a hypothetical. I'm not saying this is the OP's intent, but the goal of this particular hypothetical is not to establish truth but to undermine truth. We need to look to God's word for answers, not hypotheticals.
Satan is doing his best to confuse us. If he can get us to take our eyes off God's word and seek truth elsewhere, he's done his job. That is what this question is doing.
Baptism doesn't save anyone? That's contrary to what God's word says.
that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. 21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you NASB
Right there in black and white. Baptism now saves you.
Now people, like those who look to hypotheticals for truth, will do everything they can to tell you baptism doesn't save you even though the bible says it does. They will tell you baptism is an outward showing of an inward change. Again, the bible doesn't say that anywhere. Bible says baptism now saves you.
I will trust my eternal destiny on what the bible tells me, not on what it doesn't say and man's hypothetical questions.
Correct, under the new covenant we are not required to be circumcised. God commanded circumcision for the Jews.
Ask yourself, under that covenant, what became of the Jew who was not circumcised? Gen. 17:14
Under the new covenant, the bible tells us we are spiritually circumcised. How are we spiritually circumcised? By having been baptized, past tense.
11 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with Him in baptism,
The prophet in 1 Kings 13 believed what a man told him contrary to what God told him, and it cost him. Let's not make the same mistake.
God's apostle says the gospel is the power of God for salvation. We are saved by the gospel. I don't think anyone believes just hearing it saves you.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Do you have a passage that tells us we are baptized by living water? I haven't seen that one.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Do you have a passage that tells us we are baptized by living water? I haven't seen that one.
I disagree. By arguing baptism is a work required for salvation, which is what I think you are claiming, you are effectively adding to the work of the cross and creating another gospel. Baptism is important, as is obedience in all matters including loving one another. But works do not save us.
Let's look at the context, shall we?
1 Peter 3:20-21 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Look what it says there. Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Being baptised into Christ saves us, just as having our hearts circumcised saves us. These are spiritual events, not physical.
See also Colossians 2:10-13
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
If you are going to argue the "buried with him in baptism" is physical, you would likewise need to claim that the circumcision made without hands is also physical. I've attended countless baptisms, but never once recall any foreskins of the sins of the flesh being discarded after the ceremony.
Also would need to correspond to Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
1 Peter 3:20-21 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Romans 4:1-15 deals with this.
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Perhaps you should ask yourself how a believing Jew could remain uncircumcised under that covenant? Look at how God dealt with Moses in Exodus 4? I'm not saying the works of circumcision or baptism were or are unimportant, but scripture makes clear they are not part of salvation.
Exactly. We are baptised into Christ, which is spiritual (for we are not physically immersed into Christ, anymore than a physical foreskin of the heart is discarded after true circumcision.
Yes. Referring to the many passages where God makes it clear we are saved by grace through faith, rather than through any works, let us not.
Let's look at the context, shall we?
1 Peter 3:20-21 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Look what it says there. Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Being baptised into Christ saves us, just as having our hearts circumcised saves us. These are spiritual events, not physical.
See also Colossians 2:10-13
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
If you are going to argue the "buried with him in baptism" is physical, you would likewise need to claim that the circumcision made without hands is also physical. I've attended countless baptisms, but never once recall any foreskins of the sins of the flesh being discarded after the ceremony.
Also would need to correspond to Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
1 Peter 3:20-21 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Romans 4:1-15 deals with this.
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Perhaps you should ask yourself how a believing Jew could remain uncircumcised under that covenant? Look at how God dealt with Moses in Exodus 4? I'm not saying the works of circumcision or baptism were or are unimportant, but scripture makes clear they are not part of salvation.
Exactly. We are baptised into Christ, which is spiritual (for we are not physically immersed into Christ, anymore than a physical foreskin of the heart is discarded after true circumcision.
Yes. Referring to the many passages where God makes it clear we are saved by grace through faith, rather than through any works, let us not.
I'm curious what you think Peter meant in the exchange?
"Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine..." Acts 2:40-42
"Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine..." Acts 2:40-42
There were also those in Paul's day who did not realize what happened in the spiritual realm when they obeyed God's command to be baptized. His explanation is recorded in Romans 6:3-6.
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Rom 6:3-6
Also there is detailed scripture revealing what Paul was referring to in Ephesians 1:13 concerning being sealed with the Holy Spirit. Notice what Paul told the 12 Ephesians in Acts 19. It is that word of truth, the gospel of salvation, that was introduced, believed, and obeyed that brought about the reality of their being indwelt (sealed) with the Holy Spirit.
"And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (water)
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; (Spirit) and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." Acts 19:1-6
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Rom 6:3-6
Also there is detailed scripture revealing what Paul was referring to in Ephesians 1:13 concerning being sealed with the Holy Spirit. Notice what Paul told the 12 Ephesians in Acts 19. It is that word of truth, the gospel of salvation, that was introduced, believed, and obeyed that brought about the reality of their being indwelt (sealed) with the Holy Spirit.
"And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (water)
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; (Spirit) and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." Acts 19:1-6
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