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Cameron143

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No one is worthy to enter God's presence. Humility before Him is recognition of this truth.
 

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I think what the verse means is that God seeks the humble because they will be willing to learn from and obey Him. Proud people are less likely to do the same in regard to God. God being practical doesn't want to waste time and effort if He knows that a proud person won't respond to Him.


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Which verse?

How does an infinite God with infinite power and infinite capacity for knowing the past and present "waste His infinite time and infinite effort?
 

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Which verse?

How does an infinite God with infinite power and infinite capacity for knowing the past and present "waste His infinite time and infinite effort?

I'm thinking the verse being mentioned is from Isaiah 66, but I could be wrong:


Isaiah 66:2

Has not my hand made all these things,
and so they came into being?”
declares the Lord.


“These are the ones I look on with favor:
those who are humble and contrite in spirit,
and who tremble at my word.



You ask a lot of questions, but I don't see you asking God Himself. Wouldn't He be better able to answer your questions about Himself than me??? And ask yourself this, is the question: "How does an infinite God with infinite power and infinite capacity for knowing the past and present "waste His infinite time and infinite effort?" really so important as knowing and obeying God's will? A lot of puffed up knowledge in this section of the forum and this is why I don't visit it as much anymore.


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Cameron143

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I'm thinking the verse being mentioned is from Isaiah 66, but I could be wrong:


Isaiah 66:2

Has not my hand made all these things,
and so they came into being?”
declares the Lord.


“These are the ones I look on with favor:
those who are humble and contrite in spirit,
and who tremble at my word.



You ask a lot of questions, but I don't see you asking God Himself. Wouldn't He be better able to answer your questions about Himself than me??? And ask yourself this, is the question: "How does an infinite God with infinite power and infinite capacity for knowing the past and present "waste His infinite time and infinite effort?" really so important as knowing and obeying God's will? A lot of puffed up knowledge in this section of the forum and this is why I don't visit it as much anymore.


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Isaiah 57:15 has a similar verse.
 
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Yes, God seeks those that are humble themselves.
In the New Testament, all Jews are humble (Man Standard) because they follow the law or what is written in the bible in The Old Testament.
But only very few who seek by God like Saul or Tarsus.

That is the proof that God seeks only those people who humble themselves according to God's Standard.

Therefore with regards to humbleness, there is Man's Standard & God's Standard.

Is this a Divine Revelation?
For Humbleness:

MAN STANDARD:
The Jews follow what Scribes & Pharisees (religious leaders by that time) preached to them.
They follow the law literally like:
*THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY (they brought Mary Magdalene to Jesus for adultery)
* THOU SHALT NOT STEAL (they crucified the 2 criminals besides of Jesus for stealing)

GOD STANDARD:
Saul of Tarsus humble himself according to God Standard that is why he seeks by Jesus.

When Paul was Saul, he followed Man's Standard for humbleness that is why he studied in a bible school to Gamaliel in order to serve and to love God. And Saul became a Pharisee and preach the word of God to the Jews by using his own intellect.

ACTS 22:3
I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of GAMALIEL, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

Perhaps we can trace how Saul Of Tarsus humble himself (God's Standard) when he was on the road to Damascus that is why he seeks by Jesus and became Paul.

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Maybe it helps if we will review what Saul of Tarsus desired.

He went to bible school to Gamaliel and he learned the words of God.
Then he became a religious leader and preacher as a Pharisee.
This is his way to serve and to love God.
Saul of Tarsus is very confident that he knows The One True God. And he loves God that is why he spreads the word of God.

Is this a Divine Revelation?
But this is how Saul of Tarsus humble himself.

ACTS 9:3-6
3 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”

5 And he said, “WHO ARE YOU, LORD?”

Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 1It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”

6 So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?”

Then the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

Remember, Saul of Tarsus is a religious leader and he loves God.
Despite of that, Saul admitted to Jesus that he doesn't know Jesus. Therefore Saul doesn't know The One True God (John 8:19) whom he preaches to the Jews.
This is God's Standard about humbleness

JOHN 8:19
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: IF YE HAD KNOWN ME, YE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN MY FATHER ALSO.

In our times today, who is willing to humble himself in God's Standard as Saul of Tarsus did?
5 And he said, “WHO ARE YOU, LORD?”

Then the words of God learned by Paul from the bible school?

This is what he said

PHILIPPIANS 3:6-11

6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

7 But what things were gain to me, those I COUNTED LOSS for Christ.

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
 
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If God The Father says in Jeremiah 31:34, in order to the sin be forgiven is To Know The One True God.

I tried to ask God The Father.
How can I know you because you are a spirit God and I can't see you?

Is this a Revelation?
Jesus answered my question when I read this.

JOHN 8:19
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: IF YE HAD KNOWN ME, YE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN MY FATHER ALSO.

Then I asked both Jesus & God The Father.

Can you give me a proof of John 8:19 and Jeremiah 31:34?

If my sin is forgiven means will I get save?

Is this a Revelation from God?
I read about the 2 criminals who crucified with Jesus. One is on his right and the other is on his left.
Before, both of the 2 criminals reviled Jesus (Mark 15:32).
But later on, the criminal on his right all of a sudden he recognized Jesus.
Since he recognized Jesus, he had known The One True God (John 8:19)
Since he had known God The Father, his sins had forgiven (Jeremiah 31:34) and the criminal on Jesus right side got saved (Luke 23:43).

MARK 15:32

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

LUKE 23:42-43

42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[a]”

43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Now my question to Jesus.

How can I recognize you, same on what the criminal on your right side recognized you?
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With regards to my question to Jesus.

How do I get to know you?

I raised this question to Jesus because I heard from the preachers that they are introducing Jesus to the people.
These preachers claim they are authorize because they have certificates & diplomas from different bible schools & seminaries.
By listening to them I thought I already know Jesus. And yet why The One True God is still a mystery?
Also why I can't identify The One True God sitting in One Throne in Revelation 4:2
Therefore John 8:19 did not apply.
JOHN 8:19
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: IF YE HAD KNOWN ME, YE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN MY FATHER ALSO.

REVELATION 4:2
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

This is why I asked Jesus.
How do I Get To Know You?
Is this A Divine Revelation?

When Jesus came in the coast of Caesarea Philippi where he preached the word of God.
The people listened to him.
They saw & heard him.

But when he asked his disciples what the people saying about him:
Nobody I mean Nobody recognized him.

MATTHEW 16:13-14
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

When he asked his disciple, Peter answered:

MATTHEW 16:15-17
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

This is the answer of Jesus in my question HOW DO I GET TO KNOW YOU?
In order To Know Jesus, it requires A Divine Revelation from God The Father.

Nobody could introduce Jesus to the people but The Father Alone.
 
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With regards to my question to Jesus.

How do I get to know you?

I raised this question to Jesus because I heard from the preachers that they are introducing Jesus to the people.
These preachers claim they are authorize because they have certificates & diplomas from different bible schools & seminaries.
By listening to them I thought I already know Jesus. And yet why The One True God is still a mystery?
Also why I can't identify The One True God sitting in One Throne in Revelation 4:2
Therefore John 8:19 did not apply.
JOHN 8:19
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: IF YE HAD KNOWN ME, YE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN MY FATHER ALSO.

REVELATION 4:2
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

This is why I asked Jesus.
How do I Get To Know You?
Is this A Divine Revelation?

When Jesus came in the coast of Caesarea Philippi where he preached the word of God.
The people listened to him.
They saw & heard him.

But when he asked his disciples what the people saying about him:
Nobody I mean Nobody recognized him.

MATTHEW 16:13-14
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

When he asked his disciple, Peter answered:

MATTHEW 16:15-17
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

This is the answer of Jesus in my question HOW DO I GET TO KNOW YOU?
In order To Know Jesus, it requires A Divine Revelation from God The Father.

Nobody could introduce Jesus to the people but The Father Alone.
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The next question I raised to Jesus.

Simon Peter said You are the Christ, The Son of the Living God.

All people who reading and believing the bible are saying the same to Jesus.

Why it requires A Divine Revelation to say to Jesus is The Christ, and The Son Of The Living God.

MATTHEW 16:16
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the CHRIST, the SON OF THE LIVING GOD.

What is the difference, between what people saying to Jesus and to what Simon Peter said to Jesus?
You are The Christ, The Son of The Living God.
 
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The next question I raised to Jesus.

Simon Peter said You are the Christ, The Son of the Living God.

All people who reading and believing the bible are saying the same to Jesus.

Why it requires A Divine Revelation to say to Jesus is The Christ, and The Son Of The Living God.

MATTHEW 16:16
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the CHRIST, the SON OF THE LIVING GOD.

What is the difference, between what people saying to Jesus and to what Simon Peter said to Jesus?
You are The Christ, The Son of The Living God.
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As Simon first description to Jesus, YOU ARE THE CHRIST.

What is the meaning of Christ?

Here are bible verses about Jesus as a CHRIST.
Christ means Savior.

LUKE 2:11
for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord

MATTHEW 1:21
She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

In the following verse, The One True God gave Jesus (alone) to the people as their Savior. He indicates that There Is No Other Name Under Heaven.

ACTS 4:12
And there is salvation in no one else; for THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN AMONG MEN BY WHICH WE MUST BE SAVE”.

Therefore: JESUS is the only SAVIOR and No One Else.

As we know, in the Old Testament, God The Father (God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob) is the one speaking.
If Jesus is The Only Savior according to The One True God.
How come in the following verse, God The Father claimed that the The Savior is Himself?

ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me THERE IS NO SAVIOR.

Perhaps this is what Jesus said to Peter. It takes a miracle from God (A Divine Revelation) before you can say to Jesus, "You are The CHRIST"
Because how can we reconcile or find an answer for this, Jesus (alone) is the Savior & God the Father (alone) is the Savior?
 

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I know it is not just a simply as a book.
Anybody could elaborate more on what is a bible?
BI'BLE, n. [Gr. a book.]
THE BOOK, by way of eminence; the sacred volume, in which are contained the revelations of God, the principles of Christian faith, and the rules of practice. It consists of two parts, called the Old and New Testaments.
The Bible should be the standard of language as well as of faith.

Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.
J.
 

Johann

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What is the meaning of Christ?
Christós; fem. christḗ, neut. christón, adj. from chríō (G5548), to anoint. Anointed, a term used in the OT applied to everyone anointed with the holy oil, primarily to the high priesthood (Lev_4:5, Lev_4:16). Also a name applied to others acting as redeemers.
(I) As an appellative and with the art. ho, the, Christós, Christ, it occurs chiefly in the Gospels and means the Messiah (Mar_15:32, "the King of Israel"; Joh_1:41; Joh_4:42 "the Christ, the Savior of the world"; Act_2:36; Act_9:22; Act_18:28. Also see Mat_1:17; Mat_2:4; Mat_16:16; Mar_12:35; Mar_13:21; Luk_2:11, Luk_2:26, "the Christ of the Lord" [a.t.]; Luk_4:41; Luk_23:2; Joh_1:20, Joh_1:25; Act_2:30; Act_3:18; Rom_8:11; 1Jn_2:22; 1Jn_5:1, 1Jn_5:6; Rev_11:15; Rev_12:10; Sept.: Psa_2:2 [cf. Dan_9:25]). Joined with Iēsoús (G2424), Jesus, Iēsoús ho Christós, Jesus the Christ (Act_5:42; Act_9:34; 1Co_3:11), Iēsoús Christós (Joh_17:3; Act_2:38; Act_3:20; 1Jn_4:2-3; 2Jn_1:7), ho Christós Iēsoús, the Christ Jesus (Act_17:3; Act_18:5, Act_18:28; Act_19:4).


(II) As a proper noun, Christ.

(A) Used in an absolute sense, Christós or ho Christós chiefly in the epistles referring to the Messiah (Rom_5:6, Rom_5:8; Rom_8:10; 1Co_1:12; 1Co_3:23; Gal_1:6-7; Gal_2:20; Eph_4:12; Heb_3:6; Heb_5:5; 1Pe_1:11; 1Pe_4:14).


(B) More often joined with Iēsoús (Mat_1:16, "Jesus the One called Christ" [a.t.]); Iēsoús Christós in the Gospels (Mat_1:1, Mat_1:18; Mar_1:1; Joh_1:17; Act_3:6, "In the name of Jesus Christ"; Act_4:10; Act_8:12; Act_10:36; Act_28:31; Rom_1:1, Rom_1:6, Rom_1:8; 1Co_1:1; 1Co_5:4). Christós Iēsoús, stressing the deity of Christ first and then His humanity only after His resurrection beginning with Act_19:4 and often in the epistles (Rom_3:24; Rom_8:2, Rom_8:39; Rom_15:5; 1Co_1:2, 1Co_1:30; Gal_3:26; Gal_4:14; Php_2:5; Php_3:3, Php_3:8; Col_1:4; Heb_3:1). For the use of ho Kúrios (G2962), the Lord, in connection with the names Iēsoús and Christós, see Kúrios (G2962), Lord (cf. II, B, 2).

(C) Other designations attributed to Christ:

(1) The servant of God (país [G3816], child, servant; Act_3:13, Act_3:26); tón hágion paída sou (hágion [G40], holy; paída [G3816], child, servant; Act_4:27, Act_4:30). This is a Messianic title of our Lord indicative of humility, submission, vicarious suffering and death (see Act_8:35; Isa_53:7).


(2) Prince and Savior (archēgós [G747], chief leader, author or captain; sōtḗr [G4990], Savior; Act_5:31 [cf. Act_3:15; Heb_2:10; Heb_12:2]). The word archēgós reflects the meaning of author or originator as expressed in Act_3:15, archēgón tḗs zōḗs (zōḗs [G2222], of life), the Originator, Author, and Sustainer of life or the one who inaugurates and controls the Messianic experience of salvation here called zōḗ, life (Isa_60:16).

(3) Son of Man, ho Huiós toú anthrṓpou (Huiós [G5207], son; anthrṓpou [G444], of man). This expression occurs 81 times in the Gospels, 30 times in Matthew, of which nine passages have direct parallels in both Mark and Luke, four have parallels in Mark only, eight in Luke only, and the remaining nine are peculiar to Matthew. Apart from the Gospels, the term the "Son of Man" is found only in Act_7:56 (cf. Luk_22:69). In Rev_1:13; Rev_14:14, the expression which is used, though related, is not the same. It is "one [sitting] like unto the son of man" which is a precise reproduction of the phrase in Dan_7:13. With but one exception, the name as found in the Gospels is used only by our Lord Himself. The exception is Joh_12:34, and even there it is presupposed that Jesus had spoken of Himself as "the Son of Man." The multitude were familiar with the title "the Son of Man." To them it was a designation of the Messiah. Their difficulty was to reconcile Messiahship with exaltation through death. Also throughout the Gospel narratives, there is not a trace that disciples or the wider public were in any wise perplexed by the designation.

The use of the title "the Son of Man" was adopted by our Lord because it was generally understood to refer to the Messiah, but the Messiah was conceived by the Jews as associated with His coming in glory to exercise everlasting rule over the world. The Lord used this expression to make them realize that He had indeed come to rule over the world, but before coming as the Ruler, He had to come as the Sufferer, the Servant who laid down His life for the sins of mankind. (See Mat_25:31 ff.; Mar_8:38; Mar_9:9, Mar_9:12, Mar_9:31; Mar_10:33; Mar_13:26; Mar_14:21, Mar_14:41, Mar_14:62.)


(4) The Son of God, Huiós toú Theoú (huiós [G5207], son; Theós [G2316], God). Jesus taught that He was the Son of God (Mat_11:27; Mat_24:36; Mat_27:43; Mar_13:32), and therefore the true Messiah, the Lord's anointed. In His native Aramaic, "Abba" or Father, was the mode of address in prayer that came most naturally to His lips, and became a tradition in the worship of the early Christian church (Rom_8:15). The relation claimed by Jesus was a special one, and this is indicated by His use of the expression "My Father" in Mat_11:27; Mat_18:35; Mat_20:23, whereas in Mat_6:32; Mat_10:29 when speaking to the audience, Jesus refers to God as "your Father." More significant still is the designation by Jesus of Himself as the "beloved Son" in the parable of the Vineyard (Mar_12:6), and also by the voice which spoke to Him from heaven at His baptism (Mat_3:16-17; Mar_1:10-11; Luk_3:21-22). Paul "preached Christ . . . , that he is the Son of God" (Act_9:20). This title is used in its Messianic and official sense, founded on Psa_2:7 (cf. Mat_16:16; Joh_1:49). Act_9:22 implies that in Act_9:20 Paul preached in order to prove that the Son of God is none other than the Christ, the Messiah. See also Mar_8:29; Luk_9:20.

(5) "Son of David"alludes to the Messianic expectation of an anointed Jewish king who would be the deliverer of God's people. The Messianic king was a descendant of David who at the end of the ages would erect His throne. (See Ps. 2; 72; 110.)


(6) The Lord, ho Kúrios (G2962). This was an expression of profound respect. This title, attributed often in antiquity to emperors, was used in a unique sense (Act_2:36; Act_10:36). In the Sept., ho Kúrios was used for Jehovah (H3068). This indeed became the prevailing designation of the Lord Jesus Christ. In the NT, calling upon the name of the Lord Jesus (Act_9:21 [cf. Act_9:14; Act_2:21; Act_22:16; Rom_10:13; 1Co_1:2]) was the same language ascribed to those who worshiped the true God of the OT (cf. Gen_4:26; Gen_12:8; 2Ki_5:11). Stephen died "calling upon [the Lord], and saying, Lord Jesus receive my spirit" (Act_7:59); and Peter posits universal dominion of the same Person-"He is Lord of all" (Act_10:36).
(7) There are many other ascriptions to the Lord Jesus Christ. One in particular, monogenḗs (G3439), unique, the only one of its kind, commonly translated "only begotten" (a name attributed to Him especially by John), is worthy of mention (Joh_1:14, Joh_1:18; Joh_3:16, Joh_3:18; 1Jn_4:9).


(III) Metonymically.
(A) Equivalent to ho lógos toú Christoú (lógos [G3056], word), the word of Christ meaning the doctrine of Christ, the gospel (2Co_1:19, 2Co_1:21; Eph_4:20).

(B) Tó sṓma toú Christoú (sṓma [G4983], body), the body of Christ meaning the church (1Co_12:12).

(C) The salvation of Christ obtained through Him (Gal_3:27; Php_3:8).

(D) In Christ, see en (G1722), in, I, C, 1 (cf. Kuríō [G2962, II, B, 2], Lord).
Deriv.: antíchristos (G500), one in place of Christ; counterpart and yet antithesis; Christianós (G5546), Christian; pseudóchristos (G5580), false Christ.

Hope this helps.
J.
 
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As Simon first description to Jesus, YOU ARE THE CHRIST.

What is the meaning of Christ?

Here are bible verses about Jesus as a CHRIST.
Christ means Savior.

LUKE 2:11
for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord

MATTHEW 1:21
She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

In the following verse, The One True God gave Jesus (alone) to the people as their Savior. He indicates that There Is No Other Name Under Heaven.

ACTS 4:12
And there is salvation in no one else; for THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN AMONG MEN BY WHICH WE MUST BE SAVE”.

Therefore: JESUS is the only SAVIOR and No One Else.

As we know, in the Old Testament, God The Father (God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob) is the one speaking.
If Jesus is The Only Savior according to The One True God.
How come in the following verse, God The Father claimed that the The Savior is Himself?

ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me THERE IS NO SAVIOR.

Perhaps this is what Jesus said to Peter. It takes a miracle from God (A Divine Revelation) before you can say to Jesus, "You are The CHRIST"
Because how can we reconcile or find an answer for this, Jesus (alone) is the Savior & God the Father (alone) is the Savior?
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With what God The Father said in Isaiah 43:10-11 I got confused.
So, I raise my question to God The Father.

My Lord, you are the one who declared that the Savior is Jesus only (Acts 4:12), why in Isaiah 43:10-11 you claimed that you are only the Savior and no one else?
What happened my Lord?

Is this A Divine Revelation?
I read this about the covenant what God The Father established so that he will become God to them.

GENESIS 17:7
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee

But with regards to the covenant or testament, Paul wrote how this testament be fulfilled.
According to Paul, the testator himself must die or else the testament is nothing.

HEBREWS 8:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

But since Jesus who taught this to Paul

GALACIANS 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
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For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

This time I ask Jesus on how God The Father can fulfill his testament by his death himself because God The Father is a Spirit God and he can't die?

Jesus answered my question when I read this verse.
This was taught by Jesus to Paul and Paul wrote it.
Unbelievable. God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob who they call Father, became a man in the person of Jesus.

1TIMOTHY 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
 
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With what God The Father said in Isaiah 43:10-11 I got confused.
So, I raise my question to God The Father.

My Lord, you are the one who declared that the Savior is Jesus only (Acts 4:12), why in Isaiah 43:10-11 you claimed that you are only the Savior and no one else?
What happened my Lord?

Is this A Divine Revelation?
I read this about the covenant what God The Father established so that he will become God to them.

GENESIS 17:7
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee

But with regards to the covenant or testament, Paul wrote how this testament be fulfilled.
According to Paul, the testator himself must die or else the testament is nothing.

HEBREWS 8:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

But since Jesus who taught this to Paul

GALACIANS 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
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For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

This time I ask Jesus on how God The Father can fulfill his testament by his death himself because God The Father is a Spirit God and he can't die?

Jesus answered my question when I read this verse.
This was taught by Jesus to Paul and Paul wrote it.
Unbelievable. God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob who they call Father, became a man in the person of Jesus.

1TIMOTHY 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
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I got surprised on what God The Father did in 1Timothy 3:16.

I asked God The Father again.
My Lord, do you mean you are Jesus?

Is this A Divine Revelation?

God The Father answered my question when I read this again.
He is pointing out that there was no other God before and after him that he is Jesus.

ISAIAH 43:10
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Then I asked Jesus, God The Father said in Isaiah 43:10 that you are the Father.
What can you say about this?

Jesus answered my question when I read this verse.
Jesus said that whoever doesn't believe that he is God The Father will not be saved.

JOHN 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.

Then I read this as a demonstration.
The Jews did not believe Jesus in John 8:24

JOHN 8:56-58
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Because the Jews don't believe Jesus in John 8:24, they crucified him.

I said to Jesus.
Now I know why it requires a miracle or A Divine Revelation before Simon Peter express that you are The Christ (means God The Father as Savior).

Then I asked Jesus again.

Why Peter also said in Matthew 16:16 YOU ARE THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD?
Also, if you are God The Father, most of the time why are you speaking to the father?


MATTHEW 16:16
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
 
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I got surprised on what God The Father did in 1Timothy 3:16.

I asked God The Father again.
My Lord, do you mean you are Jesus?

Is this A Divine Revelation?

God The Father answered my question when I read this again.
He is pointing out that there was no other God before and after him that he is Jesus.

ISAIAH 43:10
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Then I asked Jesus, God The Father said in Isaiah 43:10 that you are the Father.
What can you say about this?

Jesus answered my question when I read this verse.
Jesus said that whoever doesn't believe that he is God The Father will not be saved.

JOHN 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.

Then I read this as a demonstration.
The Jews did not believe Jesus in John 8:24

JOHN 8:56-58
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Because the Jews don't believe Jesus in John 8:24, they crucified him.

I said to Jesus.
Now I know why it requires a miracle or A Divine Revelation before Simon Peter express that you are The Christ (means God The Father as Savior).

Then I asked Jesus again.

Why Peter also said in Matthew 16:16 YOU ARE THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD?
Also, if you are God The Father, most of the time why are you speaking to the father?


MATTHEW 16:16
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
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While I am waiting for the answer of Jesus in my next questions.

Is this A Divine Revelation?
When I read this, I start to understand why Jesus as God The Father who established a covenant or testament in Genesis 17:7 and to fulfill the testament is by means of God The Father death himself (Hebrews 9:16-17) , he said this before he died on the cross.
He is referring to the fulfillment of his covenant by death himself.
The testament has fulfilled by his death that is why before he died he confirmed the fulfillment of the covenant, It Is Finished.

JOHN 19:30
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, IT IS FINISHED: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
 
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I got surprised on what God The Father did in 1Timothy 3:16.

I asked God The Father again.
My Lord, do you mean you are Jesus?

Is this A Divine Revelation?

God The Father answered my question when I read this again.
He is pointing out that there was no other God before and after him that he is Jesus.

ISAIAH 43:10
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Then I asked Jesus, God The Father said in Isaiah 43:10 that you are the Father.
What can you say about this?

Jesus answered my question when I read this verse.
Jesus said that whoever doesn't believe that he is God The Father will not be saved.

JOHN 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.

Then I read this as a demonstration.
The Jews did not believe Jesus in John 8:24

JOHN 8:56-58
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Because the Jews don't believe Jesus in John 8:24, they crucified him.

I said to Jesus.
Now I know why it requires a miracle or A Divine Revelation before Simon Peter express that you are The Christ (means God The Father as Savior).

Then I asked Jesus again.

Why Peter also said in Matthew 16:16 YOU ARE THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD?
Also, if you are God The Father, most of the time why are you speaking to the father?


MATTHEW 16:16
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
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Peter answered aside from Jesus is the Christ, Jesus also the Son of the Living God.
This is what I asked to Jesus.
Also why are you taking to God The Father if you are the God The Father?

Is this A Divine Revelation?

I read this verse as Jesus answered. This verse is written by Peter who said to Jesus the Son of the Living God.
Because there are 2 kinds of humbleness:
1. Man's Standard
2. God's Standard.
Jesus as the Son of the Living God is showing a demonstration as an example on how to become humble in God's Standard.

1 PETER 2:21
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
 

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I know it is not just a simply as a book.
Anybody could elaborate more on what is a bible?

The inspired word of God (the bible) was written to the elect children of God as instructions to how God wants them to live their lives as they sojourn here on earth. The instructions are to be taught to the lost sheep of the house of Jacob, to whom God changed his name to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel, which is spiritual Israel.
 
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Peter answered aside from Jesus is the Christ, Jesus also the Son of the Living God.
This is what I asked to Jesus.
Also why are you taking to God The Father if you are the God The Father?

Is this A Divine Revelation?

I read this verse as Jesus answered. This verse is written by Peter who said to Jesus the Son of the Living God.
Because there are 2 kinds of humbleness:
1. Man's Standard
2. God's Standard.
Jesus as the Son of the Living God is showing a demonstration as an example on how to become humble in God's Standard.

1 PETER 2:21
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
 
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Is this A Divine Revelation?
This example will help us to clear what is God's Standard in humbleness.

JESUS IS VERY WELL KNOWN TO HIS WISDOM.
BUT HE SAID HE KNOWS NOTHING

MATTHEW 13:54
54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?

JOHN 5:19
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

JESUS IS JUST BUT HE NEVER ACCEPT HE IS RIGHTEOUS.

1 PETER 3:18
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

LUKE 18:18-19
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? NONE IS GOOD, save one, that is, God

The Role of Jesus as The Son of The Living God, specified by Paul.
Paul follows Jesus as The Son of The Living God then Paul is convincing the people to follow him.

1 CORINTINAS 11:1
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

People in our time express that Jesus is a Model.
Who is following his steps like Paul did on how to become humble in God's Standard?

With this Divine Revelation, now I understand that Jesus in One Body has 2 roles.
1. ROLE OF THE FATHER
2. ROLE OF THE SON.

I know when I continue reading my bible, Jesus will show some examples when he is speaking as Christ (God The Father) with full authority and when he is speaking as The Son of The Living God that can do nothing.
 
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Is this A Divine Revelation?
This example will help us to clear what is God's Standard in humbleness.

JESUS IS VERY WELL KNOWN TO HIS WISDOM.
BUT HE SAID HE KNOWS NOTHING

MATTHEW 13:54
54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?

JOHN 5:19
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

JESUS IS JUST BUT HE NEVER ACCEPT HE IS RIGHTEOUS.

1 PETER 3:18
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

LUKE 18:18-19
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? NONE IS GOOD, save one, that is, God

The Role of Jesus as The Son of The Living God, specified by Paul.
Paul follows Jesus as The Son of The Living God then Paul is convincing the people to follow him.

1 CORINTINAS 11:1
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

People in our time express that Jesus is a Model.
Who is following his steps like Paul did on how to become humble in God's Standard?

With this Divine Revelation, now I understand that Jesus in One Body has 2 roles.
1. ROLE OF THE FATHER
2. ROLE OF THE SON.

I know when I continue reading my bible, Jesus will show some examples when he is speaking as Christ (God The Father) with full authority and when he is speaking as The Son of The Living God that can do nothing.
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I hope this example will help to understand that Jesus in 1 body has 2 roles.
Role of The Father
Role of the Son of the Living God.

Let's take an example of Mr. Jones & Family
Mr. Jones& Mrs. Jones with daughter Helen
Mr. Jones is the husband of Mrs. Jones (Role as Husband)
Mr. Jones is the Father of Helen (Role as Father)
Mr. Jones cannot be the husband of Helen.
Mr. Jones cannot be the Father of Mrs. Jones.
Therefore: Mr. Jones has different obligations & responsibilities to Mrs. Jones & Helen.

As I continue reading my Bible.

Is this A Divine Revelation:

Since Jesus in 1 body has 2 roles.
Role of The Father
Role of the Son of The Living God.
I read the 2 verses that shows Jesus is speaking as A Son of the Living God and as The Father;

In this verse, Jesus is speaking as the Son of the Living God that CAN DO NOTHING.

LUKE 22:42
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

But in the following verse, Jesus is speaking as The Father WITH FULL AUTHORITY.

LUKE 23:43
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise
 
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I hope this example will help to understand that Jesus in 1 body has 2 roles.
Role of The Father
Role of the Son of the Living God.

Let's take an example of Mr. Jones & Family
Mr. Jones& Mrs. Jones with daughter Helen
Mr. Jones is the husband of Mrs. Jones (Role as Husband)
Mr. Jones is the Father of Helen (Role as Father)
Mr. Jones cannot be the husband of Helen.
Mr. Jones cannot be the Father of Mrs. Jones.
Therefore: Mr. Jones has different obligations & responsibilities to Mrs. Jones & Helen.

As I continue reading my Bible.

Is this A Divine Revelation:

Since Jesus in 1 body has 2 roles.
Role of The Father
Role of the Son of The Living God.
I read the 2 verses that shows Jesus is speaking as A Son of the Living God and as The Father;

In this verse, Jesus is speaking as the Son of the Living God that CAN DO NOTHING.

LUKE 22:42
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

But in the following verse, Jesus is speaking as The Father WITH FULL AUTHORITY.

LUKE 23:43
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise
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Upon reviewing what The True God established.

The God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob whom they call him Father established a Covenant or Testament.
GENESIS 17:7
7
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Then the Testament could be fulfilled if the testator himself died.
HEBREWS 9:16-17
16
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The True God who is in spirit could not die, so he became a man thru Jesus so he could die.
1 TIMOTHY 3:16
16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory

When Jesus before he died on the cross he expressed this word as a confirmation of the fulfillment of the Covenant or Testament by his own death as the maker of the testator.
JOHN 19:30
30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, IT IS FINISHED: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost

I have a question to Jesus in his role as God The Father.

In every testament there is an inheritance.
If God The Father established his testament what is the inheritance in his testament?

Is this A Divine Revelation?
Jesus in his role as God The Father answered my question when I read this.

EZEKIEL 44:28
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And it shall be unto them for an inheritance: I am their inheritance: and ye shall give them no possession in Israel: I am their possession

Since I know, nobody in this world could answer my next question, so I asked Jesus again
How can I inherit you?
But I did not have the answer of Jesus yet.

So as I continue reading my bible again, it came in my mind what is written in this verse. Regarding the 1 throne in heaven where the True God is seated.

REVELATION 4:2
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And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne

And I raised this question again to Jesus.
If God The Father and The Son of The living God is Jesus in 1 body but in 2 roles, who is the Holy Ghost?

Is this A Divine Revelation?

I read this message of Jesus.
And Jesus is speaking as The Father with full authority:
Jesus made a promised to his disciple that he will come again.

JOHN 14:18
18
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

According to Jesus, once he get back for the disciples (for the disciples alone who recognized Jesus by Divine Revelation Matthew 16:17), he will not leave them again.

MATTHEW 28:20
20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Then I ask Jesus again, when did you fulfill your promise?

Is this A Divine Revelation again?
I read this as Jesus answers.

ACTS 2:1-3
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And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

This is amazing. I told Jesus you promise to come back to your disciples but who arrived in Pentecost to the disciples was the Holy Ghost.
Do you mean you are the one who came back in the form of The Holy Ghost?

I really got amazed because Paul who recognize Jesus by A Divine Revelation, confirmed that The Holy Ghost arrived and sat in each of the disciple was Jesus. He fulfilled his promised in the role of The Father but in the Form of The Holy Ghost.

1 CORINTHIANS 3:17
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit
: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Regarding my previous question to Jesus in Ezekiel 44:28
How can I inherit you?

He answered my question thru a demonstration in Acts 2:1-3
The disciples inherit Jesus in the form of The Holy Ghost.

I am living in our times.
I can't see Jesus.
I can't hear Jesus.
But in Jesus way, he answered all my questions.

It is truly, whoever became humble in God's Standard he will recognize The Real Jesus and he will teach by The Real Jesus.
This is the testimony of Paul who did not meet Jesus in flesh, because when Paul elected by Jesus as a replacement of Judas Iscariot, Jesus is no longer in this world.

But let us read the testimony of Paul who wrote almost The Book of The New Testament.

GALATIANS 1:11-12
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But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.