What is a disciple?

deardean2 · Sep 26, 2018

You say not all are called to be disciples. Read the book of Acts and all the epistles. It is all about DISCIPLES, not the weak and ineffective name known today as Christians.

You say you can born again and saved and not be a disciple. This is merely a doctrinal compromise to make excuses for churches full of people with no power because they are not anointed.

When Jesus called the multiple that followed Him to become disciples they all turned away. He turned to His disciples and asked them if they would leave Him too.

garee · Sep 26, 2018

A disciple with no other meaning added is simply a "student of the teacher". Adding other meanings simply confuses the matter. They could disciples of Christ or disciples of the god of this world as a word that can be used in two ways. In the same way a apostle is simply one sent of God. Adding other meanings simply confuses the matter. Discipline simply means training in respect to rules . They could be good rules or bad or none as in anarchy

pottersclay · Sep 26, 2018

deardean2 said:

Was Mary his mother a disciple? Was Zacharias a disciple? Was the thief on the cross a disciple? No excuse my friend some are called to that special calling some are not. Was lazuraus a disciple?
And yes you can be saved and not a disciple . As in the term exclusive.

garee · Sep 26, 2018

pottersclay said:

Can a person not be saved and called a disciple?

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.Genesis 3:4-6

deardean2 · Sep 27, 2018

garee said:

Your definition is too simple.

A disciple is obviously NOT just a student. Students are learners hoepfully assimulating information. A disciple is a doer and in order to be a doer must first be a hearer.

deardean2 · Sep 27, 2018

Deuteronomy said:

Hi Deardean2, actually, I think the Lord 'is' interested in having us seek pleasure in our lives, and to have the things that we truly desire as we walk through this life with Him/in Christ

For instance, this very important command, that just happens to carry a wonderful promise with it too, comes to mind first:

.........Psalm 37
.........4 ..Delight yourself in the Lord, and He will give you the desires of your heart.

Also, an event that included both Mary and Martha comes to mind quickly as well.

.........Luke 10
.........38 ..As they were traveling along, Jesus entered a village; and a woman named Martha welcomed Him into her home.
.........39 ..She had a sister called Mary, who was seated at the Lord’s feet, listening to His word.
.........40 ..But Martha was distracted with all her preparations; and she came up to Him and said, “Lord, do You not care that
.........my sister has left me to do all the serving alone? Then tell her to help me.”
.........41 ..But the Lord answered and said to her, “Martha, Martha, you are worried and bothered about so many things;
.........42 ..but only one thing is necessary, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”

So it seems to me that the Lord intends something else for us in this life than sacrifice and discipline, in fact, I think He very much intends us to enter into His rest with joy .. e.g. Philippians 4:4. This does not mean that we are not to be godly servants who know and obey/live out His word, who are focused on pleasing Him 24/7, and who are also a help & blessing to others. Sacrifice and discipline are an undoubted part of the Christian life, but not at the expense of the joy that I believe He intends for us, and the rest that we can find only in Him .. cf Matthew 11:28-30.

So I guess I see two important sides in this, and neither one should be allowed to overrule the other, IMHO.

You know, I remember when I was a kid, people always wanted to know what the "meaning of life" was. There always seemed a plethora back then of cartoons and images depicting some guy or gal struggling to get the top of a mountain to meet with the guru (who apparently lived up there), and to have that question answered, but they never seemed to get one, at least one that was in anyway believable or useful.

As Christians, we finally know the answer to that question, PTL

And it seems to me that it is best (or perhaps most concisely) summed up in Q & A #1 from the Westminster Standard's Shorter Catechism which reads:

.........Q. 1. What is the chief end of man?
.........A. Man’s chief end is to glorify God,[1] and to enjoy Him forever.[2]

~Deut

.........John 10
.........10 ..The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might
.........have it more abundantly.
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I never said that disciples don't have joy but joy is different from happiness. Happiness depends on circumstances and things achieved through self effort while joy depends on relationships --- with God and each other.

I guess you can keep on seeking pleasure and we will see if you save your soul or lose it.

garee · Sep 27, 2018

deardean2 said:

To simply for some but not to define the word. Adding new meaning can change the intent.

Again the doing would depend on who voice is heard.

From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. John 6:66

mailmandan · Sep 27, 2018

garee said:

Good example of those who set out to be disciples of Christ, but do not continue. John 8:31 - So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine.

Jewel5712 · Sep 27, 2018

pottersclay said:

Yes..both could be classified as a disciple because they were saved..followers of christ and went out to TELL OTHERS WHAT JESUS HAD DONE IN THIER LIVES...

deardean2 · Sep 27, 2018

pottersclay said:

There are always exceptions to the rule. Trying to replace the 99.99999999999% of scripture about disciples based on a few exceptions is dishonest at best. It is very obvious that the early churches were all considered disciples who called themselves anointed ones.

pottersclay · Sep 28, 2018

deardean2 said:

Dishonest at best? Well my friend I think as a new member you'll fit right in. Things like well I don't agree or I agree to disagree deserve respect but to say I'm dishonest in my reply....wow.

A few exceptions.....now there's a weak argument at best my friend.

Have you discipled others???? Have you forgone a place to call your own? family ties? Work to meet the days needs? (No career)
Preached in the streets, churches, or where ever your called.
Your soul purpose is to serve God and him only,

Jesus said.....the foxes have dens birds have nest but the son of man has no place to rest his head.
Jesus said .... The word of God is his meat.
When he sent out the 12 Jesus siad...take no food money clothing and let the holy spirit give you what you will say.
A man asking to be a disciple ask Jesus to wait while he buried his parents Jesus said follow me now let the dead bury the dead

I've used the term exclusive for the Lord's work as a term of disciple. That is how the o.p. came across to me.
How much of the above samples do you live right now.

I won't type here to defend myself. That to me is a disciple.

dcontroversal · Sep 28, 2018

A disciple is a learner of one's doctrine......I am amazed at some of the answers in this thread.......some are rather ignorant of the simplicity of the word.......

Jewel5712 · Sep 28, 2018

pottersclay said:

Dishonest at best? Well my friend I think as a new member you'll fit right in. Things like well I don't agree or I agree to disagree deserve respect but to say I'm dishonest in my reply....wow.

A few exceptions.....now there's a weak argument at best my friend.

Have you discipled others???? Have you forgone a place to call your own? family ties? Work to meet the days needs? (No career)
Preached in the streets, churches, or where ever your called.
Your soul purpose is to serve God and him only,

Jesus said.....the foxes have dens birds have nest but the son of man has no place to rest his head.
Jesus said .... The word of God is his meat.
When he sent out the 12 Jesus siad...take no food money clothing and let the holy spirit give you what you will say.
A man asking to be a disciple ask Jesus to wait while he buried his parents Jesus said follow me now let the dead bury the dead

I've used the term exclusive for the Lord's work as a term of disciple. That is how the o.p. came across to me.
How much of the above samples do you live right now.

I won't type here to defend myself. That to me is a disciple.

The word "disciple" is a "generic" not a specified calling..someone called to be in missions is a missionary but still a disciple..someone called to preach is a pastor but still a disciple..see what im saying? So the "missionary" n "pastor" are the SPECIFIC callings but all are desciples..

Jewel5712 · Sep 28, 2018

pottersclay said:

Dishonest at best? Well my friend I think as a new member you'll fit right in. Things like well I don't agree or I agree to disagree deserve respect but to say I'm dishonest in my reply....wow.

A few exceptions.....now there's a weak argument at best my friend.

Have you discipled others???? Have you forgone a place to call your own? family ties? Work to meet the days needs? (No career)
Preached in the streets, churches, or where ever your called.
Your soul purpose is to serve God and him only,

Jesus said.....the foxes have dens birds have nest but the son of man has no place to rest his head.
Jesus said .... The word of God is his meat.
When he sent out the 12 Jesus siad...take no food money clothing and let the holy spirit give you what you will say.
A man asking to be a disciple ask Jesus to wait while he buried his parents Jesus said follow me now let the dead bury the dead

I've used the term exclusive for the Lord's work as a term of disciple. That is how the o.p. came across to me.
How much of the above samples do you live right now.

I won't type here to defend myself. That to me is a disciple.

As christians we are ALL to do the Lords work..not just a few..thats PART of being a christian..

pottersclay · Sep 28, 2018

Jewel5712 said:

I agree with you that all are chosen to do the Lord's work....what you said about the generic term for disciple is what I was struggling to find.....thank you. ....your a gem....jewel.....see see see what I did there

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Jewel5712 · Sep 28, 2018

pottersclay said:

Ur forgiven..lol

deardean2 · Sep 28, 2018

pottersclay said:

So based upon your very very few exceptions you have created a whole new group of people who call themselves Christians and thus they are "saved" but they are not disciples. I pointed out that New Testament scriptures from Acts onward only talk about disciples (NOT Christians) who identify as anointed ones.

I think it is the loss of the real definition of the word "Christian" that has created this dishonest position that violates scripture.

Yours is the weak argument, not mine.

P.S. I find your use of "my friend" rather condencending.

pottersclay · Sep 29, 2018

deardean2 said:

My gosh man keep swinging your sword your bound to take a ear or two.

Enough........
Peace to you and yours

deardean2 · Sep 29, 2018

pottersclay said:

Very witty. I suppose you will be the one to put those ears back on.

MessageOfTheCross · Sep 30, 2018

For My Flesh is meat indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed (the idea is that one must continue eating and drinking even on a daily basis, which speaks of bearing the Cross daily [Lk. 9:23]).

As far as trying to do something as it concerns taking up the Cross daily, we are to do nothing. In fact, it was already done at Calvary some two thousand years ago. On a daily basis, we should reinforce our Faith in Christ and what He has done for us at the Cross (Rom. 6:3-5; 8:2, Gal. 2:20-21, Col. 2:10-15). This is the "Truth" which we must learn, act upon, and continue to act upon, which guarantees the help of the Holy Spirit.

He who eats My Flesh, and drinks My Blood, dwells in Me, and I in him (the only way that one can dwell in Christ and Christ in him, which guarantees a victorious, overcoming life, is for the Cross to ever be the Object of Faith and, as stated, on a daily basis). John 6:55-56

Question? Based on the following scripture (John 6:66) below are these people who are called Disciples still saved in John 6:66?

John 6:53 - "Except you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His Blood, you have no life in you," (presents the demand that caused "many of His Disciples to go back, and walk no more with Him" (John 6:66). It does the same presently! This Verse tells us the degree of believing that is required; it refers to the Cross being the total Object of one's belief; failing that, there is no Life in you).

John 6:66 - From that time many of His Disciples went back, and walk no more with Him.

JSM

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