What is not under the law mean?

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Jackson123

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No body go to heaven unless he is born again

What it mean?

A religion guide His follower by law. A law must be follow to direct they attitude, not in Christian.

A true Christian not guide by law, but by Christ thoughts and felling. It is flexible and not rigid.

For example, do not kill, how about if we are police in see a robber point gun on a citizen? Not easy to make decisions in a split second. Unless we have Christ thoughts and felling.

If we do not have Christ thought and felling, we not a Christian, no matter we have been baptized 10 time, we follow sabbath law etc, because we aren't under law but under Christ thought and felling.

How can we have a Christ felling, we are not Christ don't we?

Simply by invite Him to be driver of our life. If we do it right, I believe we do not need Bible or written law. Than why we need Bible? Bible is a standard to test if our thought is Christ thought.

When Jesus is truly in us, why we need Bible? The Bible writers is in us, and He promise to guide and protect us.

After we have Christ thoughts and felling, it will change our life. We no longer interested to rich, earthly power and not live in flesh. Our focus change. Our priorities change. We start to think eternally more than earthly.

I believe prosperity theology is an inconsistency. To be Christian mean focus on spiritual not earthly prosperity. While prosperity theology teach to be Christian must rich.

If Christ though and felling is in us why so greedy?

We aren't under the law but under Christ thoughts and felling.
 

MattforJesus

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We are not under the law only if we are led of the Spirit,and if a person is not led of the Spirit they are under the law no matter how much they confess Christ.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

The Lord knows them that are His, having this seal, which this is the seal that seals the saints, and this is how they are led of the Spirit, that everyone that names the name of Christ must depart from iniquity.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Some people never come to the truth concerning Christianity, although they have a form of godliness, but they think they are alright despite their sins, so they hold unto sins.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

They cannot dwell in heaven despite having labored somewhat for the kingdom of God, for they have a form of godliness, but they did not do the will of the Father, which is to abstain from sins, and were workers of iniquity, which they did not have the Spirit, and were not sealed, never able to come to the truth that they can abstain from sin.

For they were ever learning and never able to come to the truth, so this was not people that thought they could abstain from sin, but sinned anyway not caring, but these were people that thought sin did not affect their relationship with God, and that they could not beat sin, and because of that they could not receive the Spirit having the wrong perspective on God's truth, and because of them holding unto sin they denied the power thereof.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

If a person hates sin, and does not want sin, by the Spirit they can abstain from sin, for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and show the ways of the Spirit in which there are no ways of the flesh there, and God will not allow them to be tempted above what they can endure, and will give them an escape from the temptation.

So there is no excuse.

A person is not under the law only if they are led of the Spirit in which their sins are forgiven, and they have the right belief that sin does affect their relationship with God, and are led of the Spirit abstaining from sin, therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

The Spirit will not lead anybody that does not hate sin, and does not want sin.

The belief that they cannot abstain from sin, and sin daily, and sin does not affect their relationship with God, is poo poo, ca ca, bad belief.

And that is the type of people the Bible is talking about that they are ever learning, but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, and you see millions of them sinning and thinking they are still right with God.

But they are all under the law with that belief.
 

JaumeJ

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Our faith is a gift from Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. We know we have faith by the Presence of the Holy Spirit instsructing us.

Our faith predates the law for, as Jesus teaches it is the faith of Abraham, something worthy of study and meditation,

You have guessed it, this yet leaves much a mystery but, again, faith filles in the gaps if any.

Having faith we know to obey God according to His gift of the Gospel........if you should eer want to truly know what being free of the law, yet obeying it, read the law and exclude all the laws that Jesus mae impossible to obey! You will be left with all the laws thaqt make up love in mercy faith an d justice.

Sound simple? It is if you have faith, tht eternal gift from our blessed Maker.
 

Jackson123

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Feb 6, 2014
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#4
We are not under the law only if we are led of the Spirit,and if a person is not led of the Spirit they are under the law no matter how much they confess Christ.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

The Lord knows them that are His, having this seal, which this is the seal that seals the saints, and this is how they are led of the Spirit, that everyone that names the name of Christ must depart from iniquity.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Some people never come to the truth concerning Christianity, although they have a form of godliness, but they think they are alright despite their sins, so they hold unto sins.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

They cannot dwell in heaven despite having labored somewhat for the kingdom of God, for they have a form of godliness, but they did not do the will of the Father, which is to abstain from sins, and were workers of iniquity, which they did not have the Spirit, and were not sealed, never able to come to the truth that they can abstain from sin.

For they were ever learning and never able to come to the truth, so this was not people that thought they could abstain from sin, but sinned anyway not caring, but these were people that thought sin did not affect their relationship with God, and that they could not beat sin, and because of that they could not receive the Spirit having the wrong perspective on God's truth, and because of them holding unto sin they denied the power thereof.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

If a person hates sin, and does not want sin, by the Spirit they can abstain from sin, for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and show the ways of the Spirit in which there are no ways of the flesh there, and God will not allow them to be tempted above what they can endure, and will give them an escape from the temptation.

So there is no excuse.

A person is not under the law only if they are led of the Spirit in which their sins are forgiven, and they have the right belief that sin does affect their relationship with God, and are led of the Spirit abstaining from sin, therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

The Spirit will not lead anybody that does not hate sin, and does not want sin.

The belief that they cannot abstain from sin, and sin daily, and sin does not affect their relationship with God, is poo poo, ca ca, bad belief.

And that is the type of people the Bible is talking about that they are ever learning, but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, and you see millions of them sinning and thinking they are still right with God.

But they are all under the law with that belief.
Yes I agree. If a person not led by spirit mean led by law, and he is not save, because we save by grace not by law.
 

Jackson123

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Feb 6, 2014
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#5
Our faith is a gift from Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. We know we have faith by the Presence of the Holy Spirit instsructing us.

Our faith predates the law for, as Jesus teaches it is the faith of Abraham, something worthy of study and meditation,

You have guessed it, this yet leaves much a mystery but, again, faith filles in the gaps if any.

Having faith we know to obey God according to His gift of the Gospel........if you should eer want to truly know what being free of the law, yet obeying it, read the law and exclude all the laws that Jesus mae impossible to obey! You will be left with all the laws thaqt make up love in mercy faith an d justice.

Sound simple? It is if you have faith, tht eternal gift from our blessed Maker.
Yep, having faith in Jesus mean trust what ever His instructions is. Some time His instruction not easy, for example when He instruct a young rich man to sale all his wealth and follow Him.
 

Jackson123

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Feb 6, 2014
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#6
If we under the law, we are not save

We only save if we under the Christ thoughts and felling