What Is The Gospel?
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so you bought the lie that we shouldn't do works ...you are confusing the works Jews did thinking they were gaming the system by doing rituals to excuse their sin. You are gaming the system by thinking your sins are not sin anymore. You know half The Bible Tells you to stop sinning ...but you bought lies to say that Scripture doesn't apply to you.
Deal with this Scripture:
[Jhn 14:12 KJV] 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨 that I do shall he do also; and greater 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨 than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
James 2:24 NKJV — You see then that 𝙖 𝙢𝙖𝙣 𝙞𝙨 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙛𝙞𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙗𝙮 𝙛𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙤𝙣𝙡𝙮.
[1Pe 1:16-17 KJV] 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. 17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons 𝙟𝙪𝙙𝙜𝙚𝙩𝙝 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮 𝙢𝙖𝙣'𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Romans 2:6 ESV — He will render to each one 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨:
Psalm 62:12 ESV — and that to you, O Lord, belongs steadfast love.
For you will render to a man
𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠.
Proverbs 24:12 KJV — If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨?
[Rev 20:12-13 KJV] 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨.
[Gal 6:7 KJV] 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Acts 5:32 NKJV — “And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”
Deal with this Scripture:
[Jhn 14:12 KJV] 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨 that I do shall he do also; and greater 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨 than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
James 2:24 NKJV — You see then that 𝙖 𝙢𝙖𝙣 𝙞𝙨 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙛𝙞𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙗𝙮 𝙛𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙤𝙣𝙡𝙮.
[1Pe 1:16-17 KJV] 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. 17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons 𝙟𝙪𝙙𝙜𝙚𝙩𝙝 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮 𝙢𝙖𝙣'𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Romans 2:6 ESV — He will render to each one 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨:
Psalm 62:12 ESV — and that to you, O Lord, belongs steadfast love.
For you will render to a man
𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠.
Proverbs 24:12 KJV — If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨?
[Rev 20:12-13 KJV] 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨.
[Gal 6:7 KJV] 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Acts 5:32 NKJV — “And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”
I need you to expand on your reply.
I do not understand what you are saying.
Further, I read some of your posts on another thread,
Thread name: There are no clouds in Rev 19 or 20...
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"titus ordered an abomination of desecration (go to 38 minutes in)"
The word should be 'desolation', not desecration.
Desolation describes the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem.
Luke 21:20
“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.
I do not understand what you are saying.
Further, I read some of your posts on another thread,
Thread name: There are no clouds in Rev 19 or 20...
Post #11
"titus ordered an abomination of desecration (go to 38 minutes in)"
The word should be 'desolation', not desecration.
Desolation describes the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem.
Luke 21:20
“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.
Actually, I didn't address works other than to ask what you believe. Other than that you are assuming what I actually believe.
I'm sure your response is due to the way others may have responded to you in the past.
I've shown you nothing other than respect even though you have accused me of things you can't possibly know are true or not.
If you don't want to answer my questions I'm okay with that. But please afford me the same respect I have accorded you.
I'm sure your response is due to the way others may have responded to you in the past.
I've shown you nothing other than respect even though you have accused me of things you can't possibly know are true or not.
If you don't want to answer my questions I'm okay with that. But please afford me the same respect I have accorded you.
The translators added the "a" sin.
[1Jo 5:16 KJV] If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
[1Jo 5:17 KJV] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
i was trying to say this probably already happened:
[2Th 2:4 KJV] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
[1Jo 5:16 KJV] If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
[1Jo 5:17 KJV] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
i was trying to say this probably already happened:
[2Th 2:4 KJV] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
I do believe you are incorrect on both points.
There is a sin that leads to death and cannot be forgiven, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Your quotation from 2 Thessalonians 2:4, cannot have happened in the first century.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction...
The apostasy or falling away must happen first.
The man of lawlessness must be revealed and that has not happened. Because the man of lawlessness is revealed and destroyed when Jesus returns.
There is a sin that leads to death and cannot be forgiven, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Your quotation from 2 Thessalonians 2:4, cannot have happened in the first century.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction...
The apostasy or falling away must happen first.
The man of lawlessness must be revealed and that has not happened. Because the man of lawlessness is revealed and destroyed when Jesus returns.
See what it says in 1 Jn 1:8:
"8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
"8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
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it's impossible to have Fellowship with those in darkness because they are still on The Death Side of The Cross excusing sin. You skip over the beginning of 1 John 1.
1 John 1 is to people that are not in Fellowship so they are walking in darkness ...meaning the ...if we say we don't sin we are a liar ... was Taking about ending their darkness by Fully Repenting. they wanted to say they were in Fellowship without Denying themselves future sins.
The Reborn don’t deliberately sin after Full Repentance …if they want to remain Saved:
This is Talking about Repentance before Rebirth/Adoption (Getting on The Cross with Him once: Romans 6):
[1 John 1:8-10 KJV] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
The Bible didn't have Chapters for a thousand years. Someone evil split 1 John 1 short to make the beginning of 1 John 2 look like a different subject. The SPIRIT, through John, was still Talking about Repentance before getting on The Cross with The Advocate! That's why The SPIRIT talks about the sins of the whole world.
Here It is continued without a gap:
[1 John 2:1-2 KJV] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin ((the world)), we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
How does it make any sense for It to be Talking about sins of the whole world at that point in The Scripture ...if they want it to mean the Reborn are Forgiven for new sins?
Repentance for the world (any man) has an Advocate before Rebirth!!!
It's instructions on how to become Reborn (Repentance) which the whole world can do also. It's not Talking about sin after Rebirth at all!
The Advocate is not available on The Cross for The Reborn because they should be New Life on The Other Side of The Cross ...not needing His Blood from The Cross anymore.
[Heb 10:26 KJV] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
So ask this question: Can your future sins be forgiven from The BLOOD of The Advocate on The Cross after you have died with CHRIST and raised to New Life?
And why do you skip over this part of 1 John 2 that you quoted? See the underlined. I have included the words you put in brackets, and will come to that in a minute. But first, what does it say? It says, if any man sins - that includes regenerate men or women - then he or she has an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. And why? Because Jesus Christ is the Propitiation for our sins, the sins of Christians, just like He offered His Life also for the sins of the whole world.
[1 John 2:1-2 KJV] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin ((the world)), we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
As for Hebrews 10:26, yes, it means believers should not deliberately/willfully go on sinning. We may sin out of weakness, and those sins will be forgiven when we confess them. Think of King David, he had the Holy Spirit from his youth. Yet he committed adultery with Uriah's wife. The Lord forgave him when he confessed the sin, but also disciplined him in that.
[1 John 2:1-2 KJV] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin ((the world)), we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
As for Hebrews 10:26, yes, it means believers should not deliberately/willfully go on sinning. We may sin out of weakness, and those sins will be forgiven when we confess them. Think of King David, he had the Holy Spirit from his youth. Yet he committed adultery with Uriah's wife. The Lord forgave him when he confessed the sin, but also disciplined him in that.