What is the point in being a prophet?

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Dino246

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DJT_47 said:
I'm aware of the 2 little letters which is why they were inserted to begin with; for clarity
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You aren't tracing the logic. By your original assertion...

1. A Christian person suffers a divorce.
2. The now-divorced person is not a Christian.

I contend for this scripturally-sound alternative:

1. A Christian person suffers a divorce.
2. The now-divorced person is still a Christian.

There is no "if".

You are contending that the following is your assertion:

1. A Christian person suffers a divorce.
2. The now-divorced person is still a Christian.
3. IF the divorced person commits adultery, they are no longer a Christian.

Insert the "if" and you are changing the situation, rendering your original assertion either incomplete or invalid.
 
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Dino246 said:
You aren't tracing the logic. By your original assertion...

1. A Christian person suffers a divorce.
2. The now-divorced person is not a Christian.

I contend for this scripturally-sound alternative:

1. A Christian person suffers a divorce.
2. The now-divorced person is still a Christian.

There is no "if".

You are contending that the following is your assertion:

1. A Christian person suffers a divorce.
2. The now-divorced person is still a Christian.
3. IF the divorced person commits adultery, they are no longer a Christian.

Insert the "if" and you are changing the situation, rendering your original assertion either incomplete or invalid.
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I didn't say nor do the scriptures say what you're asserting. Your 1st 2. Above. If you were a Christian and got divorced for an unscripturally supported reason, and there is just the one, infidelity, you're still a Christian. If you engage in relations afterwards/get remarried you're STILL a Christian but an errant Christian. You can't just then keep doing what you're doing thinking all is OK, it's not, because you then are sinning continually.
 
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Some people want so badly to have a strong faith they will fall for any false sign or wonder which seems to prove to them their faith is genuine and strong.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
Is that the way you respond to those who won't give you money? Tell them they're not Christians and blame them for your lack of success.
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I don't remember asking you for money. In fact, I'm done asking for money for the charity. I've surrendered all that into God's hands. I've done everything I could think to do and fell short. If He wants to help the homeless, He'll make it happen. He knows where to find me.

I was an atheist until I was 19. It was such an amazing thing to find the Lord that I wanted to share my faith with everyone. I've witnessed to probably thousands of atheists over the years and got so burned out in debating and arguing with them. Now I tell them the Gospel and show them God's love and answer their questions with the truth and let the Holy Spirit do the rest. I say that to say to you that I'm not going to continue this conversation. It's fruitless for me and you both.

I love you, Jesus loves you, and I hope that He is pleased with the life you're living. I hope that you're being obedient to His commands in a way that shows you love Him ("If you love me, keep my commands" - Jesus).

I don't need to argue about the efforts and sacrifices I've made for the kingdom of God nor for the prophecies He's given me to share. It's your choice to receive them or not, I freely give them and ask nothing in return. If you choose not to believe, then when they come to pass (and they will), you can at least say you were warned.
 
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I don't remember asking you for money. In fact, I'm done asking for money for the charity. I've surrendered all that into God's hands. I've done everything I could think to do and fell short. If He wants to help the homeless, He'll make it happen. He knows where to find me.

I was an atheist until I was 19. It was such an amazing thing to find the Lord that I wanted to share my faith with everyone. I've witnessed to probably thousands of atheists over the years and got so burned out in debating and arguing with them. Now I tell them the Gospel and show them God's love and answer their questions with the truth and let the Holy Spirit do the rest. I say that to say to you that I'm not going to continue this conversation. It's fruitless for me and you both.

I love you, Jesus loves you, and I hope that He is pleased with the life you're living. I hope that you're being obedient to His commands in a way that shows you love Him ("If you love me, keep my commands" - Jesus).

I don't need to argue about the efforts and sacrifices I've made for the kingdom of God nor for the prophecies He's given me to share. It's your choice to receive them or not, I freely give them and ask nothing in return. If you choose not to believe, then when they come to pass (and they will), you can at least say you were warned.
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Okay.
 
Dino246

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DJT_47 said:
I didn't say nor do the scriptures say what you're asserting. Your 1st 2. Above. If you were a Christian and got divorced for an unscripturally supported reason, and there is just the one, infidelity, you're still a Christian. If you engage in relations afterwards/get remarried you're STILL a Christian but an errant Christian. You can't just then keep doing what you're doing thinking all is OK, it's not, because you then are sinning continually.
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Here is your original assertion:

“Is this what you've done? If not, you've not been saved. And if divorced unscripturally, likewise.”

In clear terms, you said that if you are divorced without biblical warrant, you’ve not been saved.

If that isn’t what you intended to say, then here is your opportunity to restate.
 
Fundaamental

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Again the lord's says many spirits of prophecy has come In this thread and there diserning has been a war. But the person has sometimes failed to disern which spirit of prophecy was good or bad 🤔😊 we we we,

Au revoir 😊
 
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Dino246 said:
Here is your original assertion:

“Is this what you've done? If not, you've not been saved. And if divorced unscripturally, likewise.”

In clear terms, you said that if you are divorced without biblical warrant, you’ve not been saved.

If that isn’t what you intended to say, then here is your opportunity to restate.
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You're trying to twist things. You took it out of context. 2 issues. He said he was a Christian. 1st issue. I listed the requirements for becoming a Christian and asked "is this what you've done? If not, you've not been saved."

READ IT AGAIN

I then went on to the second issue "and if divorced------".

READ IT AGAIN, and go argue with someone else for the sake of arguing.


"I hope your divorce was scriptural, if not, it has an effect on your salvation, and a negative one.

Salvation requires
1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of belief
3. Repentance
4. Baptism, immersion in water.

Is this what you've done? If not, you've not been saved. And if divorced unscripturally, likewise. Having false confidence, no matter how fervent, means nothing."
 
Dino246

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DJT_47 said:
You're trying to twist things. You took it out of context. 2 issues. He said he was a Christian. 1st issue. I listed the requirements for becoming a Christian and asked "is this what you've done? If not, you've not been saved."

READ IT AGAIN

I then went on to the second issue "and if divorced------".

READ IT AGAIN, and go argue with someone else for the sake of arguing.


"I hope your divorce was scriptural, if not, it has an effect on your salvation, and a negative one.

Salvation requires
1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of belief
3. Repentance
4. Baptism, immersion in water.

Is this what you've done? If not, you've not been saved. And if divorced unscripturally, likewise. Having false confidence, no matter how fervent, means nothing."
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You wrote it; I just read it assuming (incorrectly) that you used proper grammar. It’s not my problem if you wrote something you don’t understand, but I can let it go on that.
 
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Dino246 said:
You wrote it; I just read it assuming (incorrectly) that you used proper grammar. It’s not my problem if you wrote something you don’t understand, but I can let it go on that.
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Goodbye. No more responses to you on this thread or any other.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
Some people want so badly to have a strong faith they will fall for any false sign or wonder which seems to prove to them their faith is genuine and strong.
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hmmm okay. Is your faith stronger because you see weakness in others.
 
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I can't think for one minute that not one person coming here on prophecy threads feel that something is real about the spirit of prophecy. Whether it is from a good spirit or not so good spirit.
 
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Evmur said:
so in your view in 95 or 96 God withdrew the gift of prophecy. My view is that John was referring to the book of Revelations. But at around 95 or 96 you say the gift was still operating.
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"Add to these things" is the key. If you were to proclaim today that you have a prophecy to announce, you would be "adding to these things". Which would be a violation of what God has said through John. This is elementary.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
"Add to these things" is the key. If you were to proclaim today that you have a prophecy to announce, you would be "adding to these things". Which would be a violation of what God has said through John. This is elementary.
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The Lord speaks to me in prophetic dreams like in Numbers 12:6. You're free to not believe that He does. But if He is, who are you to dispute it? Who are to say, "Lord, you can't speak to that man in prophetic dreams because my understanding of Your Word doesn't allow it."?
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
"Add to these things" is the key. If you were to proclaim today that you have a prophecy to announce, you would be "adding to these things". Which would be a violation of what God has said through John. This is elementary.
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it's quirky

looks like you are willing to stretch any scripture to make your opinion work.

we are not adding anything or taking anything away from the Apocalypse.
 
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jonchristian said:
The Lord speaks to me in prophetic dreams like in Numbers 12:6. You're free to not believe that He does. But if He is, who are you to dispute it? Who are to say, "Lord, you can't speak to that man in prophetic dreams because my understanding of Your Word doesn't allow it."?
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Yes, I think you ARE dreaming for sure. It's not people, us, that dispute it, it's God's word that does. God is who disputes it.
 
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jonchristian said:
The Lord speaks to me in prophetic dreams like in Numbers 12:6. You're free to not believe that He does. But if He is, who are you to dispute it? Who are to say, "Lord, you can't speak to that man in prophetic dreams because my understanding of Your Word doesn't allow it."?
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He speaks to me the same way friend 😊
 
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