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Not according to Scripture: Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail [will be done away]; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. (1 Cor 13:8-10).
The same Greek word -- καταργηθήσονται = they will be done away -- was translated as "fail" and "vanish away" in the KJV. The word "perfect" could have been (and should have been) "complete".*
*Strong's Concordance
teleios: having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect
Original Word: τέλειος, α, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: teleios
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-i-os)
Definition: having reached its end, complete, perfect
Usage: perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character.
So when Scripture was complete with Revelation as the last major prophecy, prophecies did cease. As I already mentioned not one the the Early Church Fathers ever claimed to be a prophet. Had prophesies continued after Revelation, that would not have been the case.
The same Greek word -- καταργηθήσονται = they will be done away -- was translated as "fail" and "vanish away" in the KJV. The word "perfect" could have been (and should have been) "complete".*
*Strong's Concordance
teleios: having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect
Original Word: τέλειος, α, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: teleios
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-i-os)
Definition: having reached its end, complete, perfect
Usage: perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character.
So when Scripture was complete with Revelation as the last major prophecy, prophecies did cease. As I already mentioned not one the the Early Church Fathers ever claimed to be a prophet. Had prophesies continued after Revelation, that would not have been the case.
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Prophecies, tongues, and knowledge will be done away, but they aren't yet.
You know, for someone who is KJVO, you sure find a lot of things in it to correct. But in this case you're correct. Teleios means "end," or "completeness."
Whoops! Why do you think teleios is referring to the scriptures being completed? Could it be because you're a cessationist?
Revelation is indeed the last book in the Bible, but prophecies have not yet failed, not have tongues ceased. Knowledge (referring to the manifestation of word of knowledge) has not been done away either. God still gives revelation to people.
Based on what?
You know, for someone who is KJVO, you sure find a lot of things in it to correct. But in this case you're correct. Teleios means "end," or "completeness."
Whoops! Why do you think teleios is referring to the scriptures being completed? Could it be because you're a cessationist?
Revelation is indeed the last book in the Bible, but prophecies have not yet failed, not have tongues ceased. Knowledge (referring to the manifestation of word of knowledge) has not been done away either. God still gives revelation to people.
Based on what?
Just for further clarification, prophesy was in biblical times, the words that God specifically told the prophet to say, not the prophet's own, not paraphrasing God's words, but God's specific words.
Also, interpretation of scripture, as your earlier examples here were, are not prophesy. It's your interpretation of what things mean and who the various people are in today's terms that represent the symbolic ones in the scriptures.
Also, interpretation of scripture, as your earlier examples here were, are not prophesy. It's your interpretation of what things mean and who the various people are in today's terms that represent the symbolic ones in the scriptures.
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That was many months before Israel began their strikes and protests. They've been on the verge of a civil war for a few months now (at least that has been the opinion of many journalists reporting in Israel.)
That was many months before Israel began their strikes and protests. They've been on the verge of a civil war for a few months now (at least that has been the opinion of many journalists reporting in Israel.)
I had the same thought after I wrote that. But then, as my thoughts characteristically do, I thought on of how He "didn't think being equal with God was anything to grasp at (reach for? since He already was anyway?) and taking on the form of a servant, He..." and then I came around again to the thought of whether it was actually Him in John's revelation as the angel that said, "see that you do it not, I'm just a fellow servant," when John fell down about to worship Him...but I mean, He's so humble, even more than Moses I suppose... and a humble person says things like that, even if they are the greatest....
so I kept it short, so you could have an easier time arguing me
so I kept it short, so you could have an easier time arguing me
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I had the same thought after I wrote that. But then, as my thoughts characteristically do, I thought on of how He "didn't think being equal with God was anything to grasp at (reach for? since He already was anyway?) and taking on the form of a servant, He..." and then I came around again to the thought of whether it was actually Him in John's revelation as the angel that said, "see that you do it not, I'm just a fellow servant," when John fell down about to worship Him...but I mean, He's so humble, even more than Moses I suppose... and a humble person says things like that, even if they are the greatest....
so I kept it short, so you could have an easier time arguing me
so I kept it short, so you could have an easier time arguing me
I just feel sorry for people who say nobody is perfect 😱.
They not realise there calling themselves a nobody.😱.
The whole church is a Somebody so I was making it easier for you to argu with me lol. 😁🤩
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