What is your view of Ezekiel's Temple?

[MrE]

What makes my view a messianic view?

I didn't intend to overstate your position, but if you think of what Ezekiel saw as something "that was supposed to be built in the future" instead of something that was real (that he actually saw in spirit) -- that changes the perspective from Ezekiel being a witness, or reporter of what he saw and was told (aka- spokesman) to something else entirely. He becomes an oracle and Israel is made disobedient by not doing what it is you say "they were supposed to do."

Except they were not told to do anything in this regard.

The "second temple" you mention was thought to be a future, physical temple in a new Jerusalem, where Jesus will be seated as king. That's not my belief, but one held by many Christians.

The second temple that was actually built, (after the Babylonian exile) was not built to Ezekiel's given specs.

 

[PaulThomson]

I didn't intend to overstate your position, but if you think of what Ezekiel saw as something "that was supposed to be built in the future" instead of something that was real (that he actually saw in spirit) -- that changes the perspective from Ezekiel being a witness, or reporter of what he saw and was told (aka- spokesman) to something else entirely. He becomes an oracle and Israel is made disobedient by not doing what it is you say "they were supposed to do."

Except they were not told to do anything in this regard.

The "second temple" you mention was thought to be a future, physical temple in a new Jerusalem, where Jesus will be seated as king. That's not my belief, but one held by many Christians.

The second temple that was actually built, (after the Babylonian exile) was not built to Ezekiel's given specs.

Moses built the tabernacle according to what He was shown and told as well.

Exo 25:40
And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.
Exo 26:30
And thou shalt rear up the tabernacle according to the fashion thereof which was shewed thee in the mount.
Exo 27:8
Hollow with boards shalt thou make it: as it was shewed thee in the mount, so shall they make it.
Num 8:4
And this work of the candlestick was of beaten gold, unto the shaft thereof, unto the flowers thereof, was beaten work: according unto the pattern which the LORD had shewed Moses, so he made the candlestick.
Act 7:44
Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

God showed a tabernacle to Moses. God showed a temple to David. The built them according to the patterns. God showed Ezekiel a temple. The Israelites built something else.

 

[MrE]

Moses built the tabernacle according to what He was shown and told as well.


God showed a tabernacle to Moses. God showed a temple to David. The built them according to the patterns. God showed Ezekiel a temple. The Israelites built something else.

That’s a common understanding and belief.

But is it a misunderstanding?

How does it compare and comport with the second commandment?

.

 

[NightTwister]

It's over the horizon ;-)

 

[Chester]

Ezekiel's temple was never built, and the New Jerusalem does not have a temple, except God Himself (Rev. 21:22). Some people think it is a millennial temple, but Ezekiel 43:7 says it is where God will dwell forever, so it doesn't seem like something temporary before the New Jerusalem comes. I think the only way to reconcile Ezekiel's temple with the New Testament is to understand it symbolically, especially since it prescribes sin offerings (Ezekiel 40:39; 42:13; 43:19, 21, 22, 25, 27; 44:29; 45:17, 19, 22, 23, 25; 46:20), which are no longer required (Heb. 10:18). But what does it symbolize?

I can think of one thing peculiar about Ezekiel's temple when I consider the exits and entrances (Ezekiel 43:11), that many words are spent describing gates and walls preventing unauthorized access. Gates and walls are exactly what we see in the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:12-15, 21, 25; 22:14). Nothing that defiles can enter it (Rev. 21:27). Also, the temple and the city in Ezekiel 48:30-35 are merged into the New Jerusalem when God dwells with men (Rev. 21:3).

What do you think?

What do I think? I think that it is quite obvious that mankind today does not know for sure what Ezekiel meant. Just look at the different ideas already presented in this thread.

My opinion is that there is likely going to sometime in the future be a Temple built in Jerusalem that matches or closely matches what is clearly written about in Ezekiel.

 

[PaulThomson]

Ezekiel's temple was never built, and the New Jerusalem does not have a temple, except God Himself (Rev. 21:22). Some people think it is a millennial temple, but Ezekiel 43:7 says it is where God will dwell forever, so it doesn't seem like something temporary before the New Jerusalem comes. I think the only way to reconcile Ezekiel's temple with the New Testament is to understand it symbolically, especially since it prescribes sin offerings (Ezekiel 40:39; 42:13; 43:19, 21, 22, 25, 27; 44:29; 45:17, 19, 22, 23, 25; 46:20), which are no longer required (Heb. 10:18). But what does it symbolize?

I can think of one thing peculiar about Ezekiel's temple when I consider the exits and entrances (Ezekiel 43:11), that many words are spent describing gates and walls preventing unauthorized access. Gates and walls are exactly what we see in the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:12-15, 21, 25; 22:14). Nothing that defiles can enter it (Rev. 21:27). Also, the temple and the city in Ezekiel 48:30-35 are merged into the New Jerusalem when God dwells with men (Rev. 21:3).

What do you think?

Sacrifices of animals was still part of the Mosaic covenant when the Jew returned from exile under Zerubabel and Joshua after Ezekiel's vision of the new temple. The idea that God will reintroduce animal sacrifice after the perfect sacrifice has been offered that is once for all, is absurd. Jerusalem's temple and Jerusalem were sacked because they continued to offer animals after Jesus had offered up Himself.


Isa 66:1
This is what the LORD says:
“Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.
Could you build me a temple as good as that?
Could you build me such a resting place?
Isa 66:2
My hands have made both heaven and earth;
they and everything in them are mine.[fn]
I, the LORD, have spoken!
“I will bless those who have humble and contrite hearts,
who tremble at my word.
Isa 66:3
But those who choose their own ways—
delighting in their detestable sins—
will not have their offerings accepted.
When such people sacrifice a bull,
it is no more acceptable than a human sacrifice.
When they sacrifice a lamb,
it’s as though they had sacrificed a dog!
When they bring an offering of grain,
they might as well offer the blood of a pig.
When they burn frankincense,
it’s as if they had blessed an idol.
Isa 66:4
I will send them great trouble—
all the things they feared.
For when I called, they did not answer.
When I spoke, they did not listen.
They deliberately sinned before my very eyes
and chose to do what they know I despise.”
Isa 66:5
Hear this message from the LORD,
all you who tremble at his words:
“Your own people hate you
and throw you out for being loyal to my name.
‘Let the LORD be honored!’ they scoff.
‘Be joyful in him!’
But they will be put to shame.
Isa 66:6
What is all the commotion in the city?
What is that terrible noise from the Temple?
It is the voice of the LORD
taking vengeance against his enemies.
Isa 66:7
“Before the birth pains even begin,
Jerusalem gives birth to a son.
Isa 66:8
Who has ever seen anything as strange as this?
Who ever heard of such a thing?
Has a nation ever been born in a single day?
Has a country ever come forth in a mere moment?
But by the time Jerusalem’s[fn] birth pains begin,
her children will be born.

 

[PaulThomson]

What do I think? I think that it is quite obvious that mankind today does not know for sure what Ezekiel meant. Just look at the different ideas already presented in this thread.

My opinion is that there is likely going to sometime in the future be a Temple built in Jerusalem that matches or closely matches what is clearly written about in Ezekiel.

It seems clear from Ez. 43 onwards that the temple was to be operated by the returned Israelites who had been chastised for defiling the destroyed temple with idolatry. They were being given a new opportunity to reconfigure their nation according to a new vision in preparation for the coming of Messiah. But they built an easier and cheaper temple, despite the fact that Cyrus had commanded that they be provided everything they needed to build the new temple of their choice.

Eze 43:7 And He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel forever. No more shall the house of Israel defile My holy name, they nor their kings, by their harlotry or with the carcasses of their kings on their high places.
Eze 43:8 “When they set their threshold by My threshold, and their doorpost by My doorpost, with a wall between them and Me, they defiled My holy name by the abominations which they committed; therefore I have consumed them in My anger.
Eze 43:9 “Now let them put their harlotry and the carcasses of their kings far away from Me, and I will dwell in their midst forever.
Eze 43:10 “Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern.
Eze 43:11 “And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them.
Eze 43:12 “This is the law of the temple: The whole area surrounding the mountaintop is most holy. Behold, this is the law of the temple.
Eze 43:18 And He said to me, “Son of man, thus says the Lord GOD: ‘These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made, for sacrificing burnt offerings on it, and for sprinkling blood on it.
Eze 43:19 ‘You shall give a young bull for a sin offering to the priests, the Levites, who are of the seed of Zadok, who approach Me to minister to Me,’ says the Lord GOD.
Eze 43:20 You shall take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar, on the four corners of the ledge, and on the rim around it; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it.

This was the design for the temple Cyrus was moved to provide materials for, and the chastened nation should have built. But they took the easier route of building a makeshift Temple for God, while they lived in cedar mansions.

This is interesting to me.

Eze 41:18 And it was made with cherubim and palm trees, a palm tree between cherub and cherub. Each cherub had two faces,
Eze 41:19 so that the face of a man was toward a palm tree on one side, and the face of a young lion toward a palm tree on the other side; thus it was made throughout the temple all around.
Eze 41:20 From the floor to the space above the door, and on the wall of the sanctuary, cherubim and palm trees were carved.

The new temple shown to Ezekiel was to have a visual subliminal message preparing the Jews for the union of Jews and Gentiles.
Cherubs with two faces, looking toward each other with a palm tree between. All around the walls there would have been a man's face looking toward a lion's face with a plam tree between. The lion is a symbol of the Jews and the Gospel written by Matthew, a Jew. The man is a symbol of mankind in general and the Gospel of Luke, a Gentile. And between these two people gtoups is a palm tree, a symbol of peace.

There was also prescribed a redistribution of land with new boundaries a la Ez. 48.

But these instructions were a reformation of the nation were not followed.

 

[PaulThomson]

It seems clear from Ez. 43 onwards that the temple was to be operated by the returned Israelites who had been chastised for defiling the destroyed temple with idolatry. They were being given a new opportunity to reconfigure their nation according to a new vision in preparation for the coming of Messiah. But they built an easier and cheaper temple, despite the fact that Cyrus had commanded that they be provided everything they needed to build the new temple of their choice.

Eze 43:7 And He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel forever. No more shall the house of Israel defile My holy name, they nor their kings, by their harlotry or with the carcasses of their kings on their high places.
Eze 43:8 “When they set their threshold by My threshold, and their doorpost by My doorpost, with a wall between them and Me, they defiled My holy name by the abominations which they committed; therefore I have consumed them in My anger.
Eze 43:9 “Now let them put their harlotry and the carcasses of their kings far away from Me, and I will dwell in their midst forever.
Eze 43:10 “Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern.
Eze 43:11 “And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them.
Eze 43:12 “This is the law of the temple: The whole area surrounding the mountaintop is most holy. Behold, this is the law of the temple.
Eze 43:18 And He said to me, “Son of man, thus says the Lord GOD: ‘These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made, for sacrificing burnt offerings on it, and for sprinkling blood on it.
Eze 43:19 ‘You shall give a young bull for a sin offering to the priests, the Levites, who are of the seed of Zadok, who approach Me to minister to Me,’ says the Lord GOD.
Eze 43:20 You shall take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar, on the four corners of the ledge, and on the rim around it; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it.

This was the design for the temple Cyrus was moved to provide materials for, and the chastened nation should have built. But they took the easier route of building a makeshift Temple for God, while they lived in cedar mansions.

This is interesting to me.

Eze 41:18 And it was made with cherubim and palm trees, a palm tree between cherub and cherub. Each cherub had two faces,
Eze 41:19 so that the face of a man was toward a palm tree on one side, and the face of a young lion toward a palm tree on the other side; thus it was made throughout the temple all around.
Eze 41:20 From the floor to the space above the door, and on the wall of the sanctuary, cherubim and palm trees were carved.

The new temple shown to Ezekiel was to have a visual subliminal message preparing the Jews for the union of Jews and Gentiles.
Cherubs with two faces, looking toward each other with a palm tree between. All around the walls there would have been a man's face looking toward a lion's face with a plam tree between. The lion is a symbol of the Jews and the Gospel written by Matthew, a Jew. The man is a symbol of mankind in general and the Gospel of Luke, a Gentile. And between these two people gtoups is a palm tree, a symbol of peace.

There was also prescribed a redistribution of land with new boundaries a la Ez. 48.

But these instructions were a reformation of the nation were not followed.

Ezr 6:8
Moreover I issue a decree as to what you shall do for the elders of these Jews, for the building of this house of God: Let the cost be paid at the king’s expense from taxes on the region beyond the River; this is to be given immediately to these men, so that they are not hindered.
Ezr 6:9
And whatever they need—young bulls, rams, and lambs for the burnt offerings of the God of heaven, wheat, salt, wine, and oil, according to the request of the priests who are in Jerusalem—let it be given them day by day without fail,
Ezr 6:10
that they may offer sacrifices of sweet aroma to the God of heaven, and pray for the life of the king and his sons.

Ez. 7:11 Now this is the copy of the letter that the king Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest, the scribe, even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the Lord, and of his statutes to Israel.
12 Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace, and at such a time.
13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.
14 Forasmuch as thou art sent of the king, and of his seven counsellors, to enquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, according to the law of thy God which is in thine hand;
15 And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellors have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem,
16 And all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the freewill offering of the people, and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem:
17 That thou mayest buy speedily with this money bullocks, rams, lambs, with their meat offerings and their drink offerings, and offer them upon the altar of the house of your God which is in Jerusalem.
18 And whatsoever shall seem good to thee, and to thy brethren, to do with the rest of the silver and the gold, that do after the will of your God.
19 The vessels also that are given thee for the service of the house of thy God, those deliver thou before the God of Jerusalem.
20 And whatsoever more shall be needful for the house of thy God, which thou shalt have occasion to bestow, bestow it out of the king's treasure house.
21 And I, even I Artaxerxes the king, do make a decree to all the treasurers which are beyond the river, that whatsoever Ezra the priest, the scribe of the law of the God of heaven, shall require of you, it be done speedily,
22 Unto an hundred talents of silver, and to an hundred measures of wheat, and to an hundred baths of wine, and to an hundred baths of oil, and salt without prescribing how much.
23 Whatsoever is commanded by the God of heaven, let it be diligently done for the house of the God of heaven: for why should there be wrath against the realm of the king and his sons?
24 Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.
25 And thou, Ezra, after the wisdom of thy God, that is in thine hand, set magistrates and judges, which may judge all the people that are beyond the river, all such as know the laws of thy God; and teach ye them that know them not.
26 And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.
27 Blessed be the Lord God of our fathers, which hath put such a thing as this in the king's heart, to beautify the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem:
28 And hath extended mercy unto me before the king, and his counsellors, and before all the king's mighty princes. And I was strengthened as the hand of the Lord my God was upon me, and I gathered together out of Israel chief men to go up with me.

 

[PaulThomson]

PaulThomson said:
Moses built the tabernacle according to what He was shown and told as well.

God showed a tabernacle to Moses. God showed a temple to David. They built them according to the patterns. God showed Ezekiel a temple. The Israelites built something else.

That’s a common understanding and belief.

But is it a misunderstanding?

How does it compare and comport with the second commandment?

.

I don't understand your question.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Authorized (King James) Version

John 3:12

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

“Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

…….Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

….But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:1-2, 6, 11-12, 23-24‬ ‭

If we learn about the earthly temple in the law of Moses and the preists services , we’re really learning an obscure and rough pattern of what’s in heaven .

“For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, ….
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; ( Thisnos the candlestick they were commanded to make that gave light fornthe high priest before the curtain in the law )

and in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto ( the preists area)

the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.” ( these are the high preists garments in the law and Arron’s golden golden girdle )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭

“And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.( Thisnos the holy of holies behind the fire town in tbe inner room where the mercy seat is in the law )

And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, ( again the candlestick and seven knops and lamps they made for the light before the curtain ) which are the seven Spirits of God.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭4:2, 5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The pattern Moses gave them to make in the law , is a vague pattern of the things in heaven John sees ….

let it be done on earth as it is in heaven

 

[PaulThomson]

“Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

…….Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

….But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:1-2, 6, 11-12, 23-24‬ ‭

If we learn about the earthly temple in the law of Moses and the preists services , we’re really learning an obscure and rough pattern of what’s in heaven .

“For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, ….
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; ( Thisnos the candlestick they were commanded to make that gave light fornthe high priest before the curtain in the law )

and in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto ( the preists area)

the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.” ( these are the high preists garments in the law and Arron’s golden golden girdle )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭

“And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.( Thisnos the holy of holies behind the fire town in tbe inner room where the mercy seat is in the law )

And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, ( again the candlestick and seven knops and lamps they made for the light before the curtain ) which are the seven Spirits of God.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭4:2, 5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The pattern Moses gave them to make in the law , is a vague pattern of the things in heaven John sees ….

let it be done on earth as it is in heaven

Is there a tent of meeting AND a temple like Ezekiel's in heaven? Or did God give a heavenly vision of a tent He wanted built on earth and a heavenly vision of a temple He wanted built on earth?

 

[tttallison]

Ezekiel's temple was never built, and the New Jerusalem does not have a temple, except God Himself (Rev. 21:22). Some people think it is a millennial temple, but Ezekiel 43:7 says it is where God will dwell forever, so it doesn't seem like something temporary before the New Jerusalem comes. I think the only way to reconcile Ezekiel's temple with the New Testament is to understand it symbolically, especially since it prescribes sin offerings (Ezekiel 40:39; 42:13; 43:19, 21, 22, 25, 27; 44:29; 45:17, 19, 22, 23, 25; 46:20), which are no longer required (Heb. 10:18). But what does it symbolize?

I can think of one thing peculiar about Ezekiel's temple when I consider the exits and entrances (Ezekiel 43:11), that many words are spent describing gates and walls preventing unauthorized access. Gates and walls are exactly what we see in the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:12-15, 21, 25; 22:14). Nothing that defiles can enter it (Rev. 21:27). Also, the temple and the city in Ezekiel 48:30-35 are merged into the New Jerusalem when God dwells with men (Rev. 21:3).

What do you think?

It was the second temple. The sons of Zadok were to be overseers, and they were. The Talmud also has the same dimensions for the altar and Solomen's temple.

 

[Jordon]

I found the scripture

Romans 8.29

Happy days

 

[Adstar]

Ezekiel's temple was never built, and the New Jerusalem does not have a temple, except God Himself (Rev. 21:22). Some people think it is a millennial temple, but Ezekiel 43:7 says it is where God will dwell forever,

The temple i believe will be in the 1000 year rule of the LORD Jesus and it will probably be the same place where the New Jerusalem will come down at the end of the 1000 years.. So it is not wrong to say that the LORD will dwell at that place forever.. Place being location.. No matter if the temple is replaced by the New Jerusalem.. The LORD will be there..

 

[MrE]

PaulThomson said:
Moses built the tabernacle according to what He was shown and told as well.

God showed a tabernacle to Moses. God showed a temple to David. They built them according to the patterns. God showed Ezekiel a temple. The Israelites built something else.


I don't understand your question.

Let me try to be more clear. You say that God showed Moses a tabernacle and that he built it according to the pattern he was shown.

My question is simple. In doing so, did Moses violate God's second commandment, spoken directly to him?

Where did Moses see the pattern? It seems a direct violation of the order to not make a copy of anything in heaven above.


“You must not make for yourself an image of anything in heaven above, on earth below, or in the waters beneath. You must not worship or serve them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God. I punish the sons, grandsons, and great-grandsons for the sin of the fathers who reject me, but I show covenant faithfulness to the thousands who choose me and keep my commandments. (Deut 5)

You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or that is on the earth beneath or that is in the water below. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I, the LORD, your God, am a jealous God, responding to the transgression of fathers by dealing with children to the third and fourth generations of those who reject me, and showing covenant faithfulness to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. (Ex 20).

 

[homwardbound]

My view is that it was the design of the temple given by God that the Jews were supposed to build, but they did not obey and build it.

According to Google search AI "The Second Temple was designed and built in phases. Initially, it was a modest structure, built under the authority of Zerubbabel, the Jewish governor appointed by the Persians. Later, it was substantially enlarged by the Hasmonean Dynasty and extensively rebuilt by Herod the Great.

Buildings, buildings, buildings. Buildings destroyed and re-built
Harbingers
As Jesus was taken and shown the kingdoms on earth, Was told by Satan (Before defeated at the resurrection) bow down and worship me, and I will give you all the Kingdoms to be in charge of under me

"Get thee behind me Satan" and so it was, Jesus refused this world's defiance of one another in being people better than others. stepping on others to be higher than others, not well for my soul.
Then the trials went on forward, and Jesus stayed steadfast to only do as Father said, as I see Jesus went out each morning to pray and get his instructions for the day and did them as Father wanted only. Even unto the Garden time, where he asked Daddy, is there any other way at all. Then "Nevertheless, not my will, your will Father be done and off to that cross willingly without a flesh fight back at all. It appeared Evil won, until the resurrection
Learning from this willingness in spite of flesh feelings over things here on earth, to remain in trust to Father too, thank you, no matter what things appear as, for Fear to me is
F-alse
E-vidence
A-ppearing
R-eal

 

[homwardbound]

“Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

…….Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

….But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:1-2, 6, 11-12, 23-24‬ ‭

If we learn about the earthly temple in the law of Moses and the preists services , we’re really learning an obscure and rough pattern of what’s in heaven .

“For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, ….
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; ( Thisnos the candlestick they were commanded to make that gave light fornthe high priest before the curtain in the law )

and in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto ( the preists area)

the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.” ( these are the high preists garments in the law and Arron’s golden golden girdle )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭

“And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.( Thisnos the holy of holies behind the fire town in tbe inner room where the mercy seat is in the law )

And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, ( again the candlestick and seven knops and lamps they made for the light before the curtain ) which are the seven Spirits of God.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭4:2, 5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The pattern Moses gave them to make in the law , is a vague pattern of the things in heaven John sees ….

let it be done on earth as it is in heaven

As Father has been doing that one person at a time. The angels rejoice over one person that turns and believes God over a thousand that play church. Then the next person turns and see new too, becomes wise as a serpent and remains harmless as a dove
thanks for your post Brother

 

[Pilgrimshope]

As Father has been doing that one person at a time. The angels rejoice over one person that turns and believes God over a thousand that play church. Then the next person turns and see new too, becomes wise as a serpent and remains harmless as a dove
thanks for your post Brother

Yes our shield and weapon is the word of Christ. As we hear the call we become empowered to overcome. We’re in a fight we need to wake up and put on our armor and take up our sword because our enemy is very real

“Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

( we’re in a war against Satan and his minions revelation 12:17 so we need to open our eyes and take up our armor and sword )

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; and your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

above all, taking the shield of faith, ( romans 10:17) wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: praying always with all prayer and supplication ( many don’t know supplication because of bad doctrine ) in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:10-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When you’re in a war , if the enemy can convince you there’s no war happening that involves you …..he wins because you won’t dress on the armor and take up the shield and sword and fight back

We need to stand and fight in the lord resist the enemy and watch him flee

“Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”
‭‭James‬ ‭4:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬

the hypergrace doctrine is gutting Christianity

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Is there a tent of meeting AND a temple like Ezekiel's in heaven? Or did God give a heavenly vision of a tent He wanted built on earth and a heavenly vision of a temple He wanted built on earth?

what part of Ezekiel are you referring to ?

What I was saying is When Moses entered the cloud God showed him a careful pattern of what’s in heaven and then instructed Moses to build everything according to the pattern he was shown

“The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven:

His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But the LORD is in his holy temple:

let all the earth keep silence before him.”
‭‭Habakkuk‬ ‭2:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. ( he appeared on the temple above the mercy seat on the inner room once a year )

According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭25:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭25:40‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And thou shalt rear up the tabernacle according to the fashion thereof which was shewed thee in the mount.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭26:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.

Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Joshua into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David; who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.

Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, And earth is my footstool: What house will ye build me? saith the Lord: Or what is the place of my rest?”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:45-46, 48-

eventually we get to the revelation of Hebrews

“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum:

We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.


But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

….In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:1-2, 4-6, 13‬ ‭KJV‬

davids story is the key when God spoke to him near the end of his life David’s desire was to make a place for God to dwell among them again like when they had the tents you speak of.

about Gods response to David is “ I don’t dwell in houses made by men but I tell you you will not make me an house to dwell in but I will make you a home and place and kingdom for my people to dwell with me that will never be destroyed again as it was on earth .”


Tbat is what initiates the kingdom doctrine “ the son of David “ who would be king of this promised kingdom that isn’t of this world and manner and certainly isnt made by the hands of men

But as to your specific questions I’m not clear on what your referencing can you point to which part of Ezekiel your speaking about usually always the context of the verses holds the clarity