What it takes to be a pastor

[Demi777]

Can you show us this in the Bible and show us in the Bible what a pastor's job entails?

Sorry for coming in late but I didnt have a lot of time. Here is what I found
Titus 7-9
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

1 Timothy 3
This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

And 1 Peter 5:1-4
The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

 

[presidente]

Nothing revokes a pro-life ideology like calling for the murder of women exercising sovereign choice over their own womb.

It doesn't revoke my ideology, whatever that means. I notice you have 'wolf' in your handle and you are also advocating for the idea that a woman has a right to have her baby murdered just because she happens o live in a womb. That's curious.

Why do you want to hijack a thread about pastors' qualifications with such a distasteful and dark topic as murdering babies?

 

[presidente]

Demi777 that was a great answer to my question. Do any if those passages teach one needs the anointing of God to be a pastor? Aren't there other qualifications there?

 

[Lillywolf]

It doesn't revoke my ideology, whatever that means.

You could have taken the time to look it up before attempting to imply I'm not a Christian. I guess that attempt at a slight took priority over learning what "ideology" means, huh?

I notice you have 'wolf' in your handle and you are also advocating for the idea that a woman has a right to have her baby murdered just because she happens o live in a womb. That's curious.

Why do you want to hijack a thread about pastors' qualifications with such a distasteful and dark topic as murdering babies?

You noticed wolf in my screen name. And? I notice presidente in yours. And?
It would be more curious as to why you think I advocate abortion. I advocated people minding their own business. There's a difference.
And lastly, you're new to the thread apparently or you would have noticed someone else brought the pastor into the thread. I just happened to remark as to his teachings concerning women.

 

[presidente]

You could have taken the time to look it up before attempting to imply I'm not a Christian. I guess that attempt at a slight took priority over learning what "ideology" means, huh?

I know what ideology means, and I know what revoke means, but I wasn't quite sure what you meant by that phrase. It's a stretch on how 'revoke' is typically used, I guess.

I didn't know your religious beliefs.

You noticed wolf in my screen name. And? I notice presidente in yours. And?
It would be more curious as to why you think I advocate abortion. I advocated people minding their own business. There's a difference.

Why are you posting about abortion in this thread, then?

Really think about what you are posting. The Bible calls John the Baptist a 'babe' when he was in his mother's womb. He presumably hadn't taken a breath of air yet. If he had, that miracle sure isn't in the Bible. But he was filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb. If Elizabeth had decided she did not want to give birth at such an old age and had taken some herbs or gone to a specialist to stick some kind of hose up in there and suck the baby John the Baptist out of her womb, or to use foreceps to crush the babies skull and remove his little baby body piece by piece, do you think this would have been pleasing to the Lord? Do you think it would have been right before God to do this? Would it have been right to baby John to do this, or would it have violated his rights? Do you think it would have violated her husbands rights at all?

Really meditate and pray about this. I want you to consider if you have been influenced by your socio-political environment to accept some beliefs that are extremely cold and cruel and contrary to what God has revealed to us. The Bible does not talk that much about rights, not as much as many of us westerns do. That's the lens we see things through. But there are many values in the Bible. It is taught and implied that mothers should value their own children. Being a parent is a blessing. Children are valuable. Shedding innocent blood is a sin against the Lord. Even when couples fornicate, it is a sin against the Lord. It is not just a matter of their own rights and what is right in their own eyes.

I am writing about violating rights. That's not the terimology we see a lot of in the Bible.

And lastly, you're new to the thread apparently or you would have noticed someone else brought the pastor into the thread. I just happened to remark as to his teachings concerning women.

Do you really think it is relavent to the topic of the thread? I've gone and added to the hijacking I suppose. If you want, you could make this into another thread.

 

[Lillywolf]

I know what ideology means, and I know what revoke means, but I wasn't quite sure what you meant by that phrase. It's a stretch on how 'revoke' is typically used, I guess.

I didn't know your religious beliefs.



Why are you posting about abortion in this thread, then?

Really think about what you are posting. The Bible calls John the Baptist a 'babe' when he was in his mother's womb. He presumably hadn't taken a breath of air yet. If he had, that miracle sure isn't in the Bible. But he was filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother's womb. If Elizabeth had decided she did not want to give birth at such an old age and had taken some herbs or gone to a specialist to stick some kind of hose up in there and suck the baby John the Baptist out of her womb, or to use foreceps to crush the babies skull and remove his little baby body piece by piece, do you think this would have been pleasing to the Lord? Do you think it would have been right before God to do this? Would it have been right to baby John to do this, or would it have violated his rights? Do you think it would have violated her husbands rights at all?

Really meditate and pray about this. I want you to consider if you have been influenced by your socio-political environment to accept some beliefs that are extremely cold and cruel and contrary to what God has revealed to us. The Bible does not talk that much about rights, not as much as many of us westerns do. That's the lens we see things through. But there are many values in the Bible. It is taught and implied that mothers should value their own children. Being a parent is a blessing. Children are valuable. Shedding innocent blood is a sin against the Lord. Even when couples fornicate, it is a sin against the Lord. It is not just a matter of their own rights and what is right in their own eyes.

I am writing about violating rights. That's not the terimology we see a lot of in the Bible.


Do you really think it is relavent to the topic of the thread? I've gone and added to the hijacking I suppose. If you want, you could make this into another thread.

Ask the person who introduced the name of the pastor first into this thread.
They apparently thought he was relevant. I simply provided further details of his beliefs.

 

[jb]

Sorry for coming in late but I didnt have a lot of time. Here is what I found
Titus 7-9
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

1 Timothy 3
This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

And 1 Peter 5:1-4
The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

To add to the above, James 5v13-18 is also an important part of a Pastor/Teacher/Elder/Overseer's (these names ALL refer to the same ministry gift if you care to do a word study on it) responsibility.

If they can't pray through for healing for the sick, they're not fulfilling their responsibility and certainly won't receive a well done at the Lord's Second Coming, hence James writes in 3v1: "Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness."

Not ALL Pastor/Teachers are created equal, some are set in the Church by God, but a lot are set in the Church by men!

(All the above Scriptures (including those quoted) I put in Post #43 of this thread.)

 

[Lillywolf]

To add to the above, James 5v13-18 is also an important part of a Pastor/Teacher/Elder/Overseer's (these names ALL refer to the same ministry gift if you care to do a word study on it) responsibility.

If they can't pray through for healing for the sick, they're not fulfilling their responsibility and certainly won't receive a well done at the Lord's Second Coming, hence James writes in 3v1: "Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness."

Not ALL Pastor/Teachers are created equal, some are set in the Church by God, but a lot are set in the Church by men!

(All the above Scriptures (including those quoted) I put in Post #43 of this thread.)

Or they're there in the name of greed.
Like that pastor that rolls in a Rolls. When the money for those two fancy axles can be robbed from them by some punk with a cheat throw away 38, could have built church sustained housing for the homeless in their parish or the community that church serves.
I'd like to see a popular pastor to his people make news for their brilliant spirit filled calling and ministry. And when profiling said pastor we find they drive a smart car and live in a tiny home.

Yeah, that'll happen.
Anyone watch the movie, old now, "Joshua"? Brilliant! If you can rent it somewhere, a library is a good start, do. It's memorable.

 

[Lillywolf]

Or they're there in the name of greed.
Like that pastor that rolls in a Rolls. When the money for those two fancy axles can be robbed from them by some punk with a cheat throw away 38, could have built church sustained housing for the homeless in their parish or the community that church serves.
I'd like to see a popular pastor to his people make news for their brilliant spirit filled calling and ministry. And when profiling said pastor we find they drive a smart car and live in a tiny home.

Yeah, that'll happen.
Anyone watch the movie, old now, "Joshua"? Brilliant! If you can rent it somewhere, a library is a good start, do. It's memorable.

I realized I should clarify that as there are more than one Joshua films

It's produced by Lions Gate and stars Tony Goldwyn as Joshua. And F. Murray Abraham.

 

[garee]

Sorry for coming in late but I didnt have a lot of time. Here is what I found
Titus 7-9
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

1 Timothy 3
This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

And 1 Peter 5:1-4
The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Its a qualification for a family that walks together as part of the reformed order.. Previously woman were not allowed to be part of. The gospel elevating the woman to her proper place. No family, no qualification. New family, no qualification.

 

[Apostol2013]

Where do we find that bold red part of your statement in scripture?

5 Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people. Also when Moses was spoken evil of by sister she was stricken with leprosy and furthermore the word of God says that we are supposed to have reverence for those there were above us and authority is that scripture enough or is your rebellion continuous? Sorry I didn't reply sooner but I'm not always on this thing

 

[Lillywolf]

5 Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people. Also when Moses was spoken evil of by sister she was stricken with leprosy and furthermore the word of God says that we are supposed to have reverence for those there were above us and authority is that scripture enough or is your rebellion continuous? Sorry I didn't reply sooner but I'm not always on this thing

Paul was a pastor in today's terms. And that scripture in verse 18 does not sustain your claim prior that the scriptures say we should not criticize pastors.

 

[presidente]

And when profiling said pastor we find they drive a smart car and live in a tiny home.

Yeah, that'll happen.

If he has children (who give him the proper respect) in the house he rules well, he probably isn't going to own a smart car. What are you going to do with your family if you have smart car?

Most pastors are not rich. A large percentage of the pastors in the USA are actually bi-vocational-- working a job and then working at church for a small wage or even for free. The ones on TV are more visible.

 

[marinerscatch]

Pastors are found comfortably living in communities because they like to settle and not move around much. They are like a dad figure others find to be wise and people get comfortable with. Many pastors have bad habits because after getting to know their congregation, they tend to preach according to what others like, not always what the congregation needs.

Preachers and evangelists are where it is at, in my opinion. They preach what the Holy Spirit directs them, whether it makes anyone comfortable or happy they do what God tells them to. They generally have a home church and pastor of their own (some do), but they go with the wind sort a speak. Great works of God and revivals kick off with these fiery preachers/evangelists.

Both pastors and preachers/evangelists obviously have a wealth of biblical knowledge. But preachers/evangelists get out and try to save the world beyond their home life. Pastors, they try to save the local community one member of the society at a time.

 

[Apostol2013]

Paul was a pastor in today's terms. And that scripture in verse 18 does not sustain your claim prior that the scriptures say we should not criticize pastors.

Woman you are ever so defiant to the word of God , didn't Paul the Apostle also said , to avoid such things that give endless debates but to work towards that which is Pure , knowing the scripture I leave this alone, but God did say to Revere those that are above you over you not to speak evil of , many speak very rashly because of lack of education called also ignorance . But as we grow our mind expands and wisdom is known . Then the semblance of the living Christ will truly be known through us.

 

[Lillywolf]

Woman you are ever so defiant to the word of God , didn't Paul the Apostle also said , to avoid such things that give endless debates but to work towards that which is Pure , knowing the scripture I leave this alone, but God did say to Revere those that are above you over you not to speak evil of , many speak very rashly because of lack of education called also ignorance . But as we grow our mind expands and wisdom is known . Then the semblance of the living Christ will truly be known through us.

I'm defiant toward fakes, liars, charlatans, and rabid mange covered wolves hoping the slippage of their cheap woolen cloak isn't noticed by the keen eyes of God's beloved saints.

 

[Apostol2013]

I'm defiant toward fakes, liars, charlatans, and rabid mange covered wolves hoping the slippage of their cheap woolen cloak isn't noticed by the keen eyes of God's beloved saints.

I'm defiant toward fakes, liars, charlatans, and rabid mange covered wolves hoping the slippage of their cheap woolen cloak isn't noticed by the keen eyes of God's beloved saints.

Again defiant of God's Word , 1 do you have a church home ? 2 whom is your mentor pastor 3 position at your church ? You see many people like to put their opinions about what they think but not many have an accountability in the church you must all be accountable to those who got put over us especially to God's word to find because I put scripture out yet you weren't discernful to interpret what the scriptures were saying an application to life.. I'm not coming against you but trying to help you that was all the word of God is our establishment you must have a discernment that comes through wisdom truth and knowledge of God . Which brings peace order tranquility and submission to our commandments an established order in creation and in the church

 

[Lillywolf]

Again defiant of God's Word , 1

That's a lie. I was very clear as to what I was defiant against. Don't create your own post so as to attack your own thoughts. That looks weird.

 

[Apostol2013]

That's a lie. I was very clear as to what I was defiant against. Don't create your own post so as to attack your own thoughts. That looks weird.

Now you are displaying a spirit of mockery but yet undescerning

 

[GraceAndTruth]

1 Timothy 3

It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. 4 He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5 (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), 6 and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil. 7 And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.