What Laws are still valid to christians

[Josh321]

NT Christianity in all its power!!!

Praise God!

that is an example of exactly what christ came to do, fulfill the righteousness of the law through the holy spirit

 

[Elin]

Testimonies are great, but I cant verify what Spirit leads this man, I can verify and test the spirits and see if they match the Scriptures...

If that don't set you on fire, then your wood's wet.

 

[Forthe144]

Jews scattered over 2000 years ago are not necessarily Jews today,nor may they know they descend from jews.I didn't know.Many left or changed denomination over the years.

 

[just-me]

have you ever seen anyone born of God practice sin?

I don't think, if the conversion is real, that one will practice sin intentionally. We all make mistakes however. Those mistakes can be identified by studying the entire word of God, not just part of it. If we don't see our mistakes because of purposeful neglect, instigated by doctrinal belief systems, people just wind up doing what they want to, and continue to claim salvation without any Spiritual growth. I question that type of salvation. So just because a person claims it, doesn't mean they have it.

Matthew 7:15-20 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Does that make us a person that is judgmental unto condemnation. No. It causes us to see if a person is real or not by knowing what to expect and how to treat them. Scripture will tell us when we take it all into consideration. It becomes easier with time, and study, to know who is real and who isn't. It's called discernment.

 

[Elin]

the Old Testament is the Giant and the New is the Midget.
stand them side by side and the Giant sees further than the Midget
Put the midget on the Giants shoulders and the midget on top of the Giant sees now, all the way to home to heaven with God and Son in the Spirit of God

Good analogy except for the revelation of the Son being the midget
and the revelation of prophets being the giant (Heb 1:1-2).

 

[Josh321]

This is a mischaracterization on your part. We are not teaching anyone to disregard GOD's laws. We are simply teaching the manner in which GOD has revealed they are to be obeyed. On the other hand, those who trample underfoot GOD's revealed will, truly disregard GOD's commandments.

For I testify about them that they [i.e., law-cultists] have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For ignoring the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:2-4

But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. Why? Because they sought it not by faith, but by the works of the law [of Moses]. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone; Romans 9:31-32​

if people trying to be justified by the law that means there is something missing, they haven't believe on Jesus to receive their salvation, the righteousness of God comes from the holy spirit, but i see so many tring to accomplish their own righteous instead of putting God first

 

[Hizikyah]

Just as nature abhors a vacuum, so it is in the spiritual world that the absence of faith will automatically be filled with the exaltation of the works of law.

I dont see how cherishing and exalting Yahweh's Instructions to mankind is a lack of faith?

Yaaqob 2:18, "Yes, a man may say: You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works!"

Hebrews 3:18-19, "And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."

I thikn the guy that wrote this had faith:

Psalm 19:7-11, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, converting the whole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure, bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them are Your servants warned, and in keeping them there is great greward."

Teaching about GOD's laws and teaching that one should follow GOD's laws are two very different things. You attempt to blur the distinction between them which delineates a huge difference. Those whom you accuse of disregarding GOD's laws fall into the first category. Of those on this forum, I don't think that I know of any who teach that GOD's laws should be disregarded for instructional and edification purposes. However, they do disregard your teaching of the necessity of being led by law, because they are being obedient to GOD's revealed will in scripture.

If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

For all those who are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:14​

I think Shaul's view of what "are not under the law" meant and todays view are 2 differnt things.

I keep posting these verses because they are IGNORED, nobody answers them, Mt 7 has been answered but iniquity is ignored or the meaning is changed into a made up in fable meanings.

These Messiah not only taught us we should follow Yahweh's Law, but said those who don't will be rejected. PERIOD.

Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:

#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

 

[Hizikyah]

This is a mischaracterization on your part. We are not teaching anyone to disregard GOD's laws. We are simply teaching the manner in which GOD has revealed they are to be obeyed. On the other hand, those who trample underfoot GOD's revealed will, truly disregard GOD's commandments.

For I testify about them that they [i.e., law-cultists] have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For ignoring the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:2-4

But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. Why? Because they sought it not by faith, but by the works of the law [of Moses]. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone; Romans 9:31-32
​

"For I testify about them that they [i.e., law-cultists] have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge"

For I testify that you have no clue what this verse means...

The Jews MADE THEIR OWN LAW AND WOULD NOT FOLLOW YAHWEH"S LAW.

they "establish their own righteousness"

SUBMITTING TO YAHWEH"S INSTRUCTIONS, ALL OF THEM IS NOT ESTABLISHING YOUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS...

it is submitting to Yahweh.

 

[Elin]

Micahyah 6:8, "He has shown you, O man, what is righteous! And what does Yahweh require of you but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your Father?"

Deuteronomy 8:2, "You must remember that Yahweh your Father led you all the way these forty years in the wilderness, in order to humble you, test and prove you, and know what was in your heart to see whether you would keep His Laws, or not"

Proverbs 3:5-6, "Trust in Yahweh with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Yahweh, and He will direct your paths."

Deuteronomy 8:3, "So He humbled you, and allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you did not know of nor did your fathers know of it; so He might make you know that man does not live by bread only, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh, cdoes man live."

And that includes his word written in Heb 1:1-2, 7:11-12, 18-19, 8:3; Eph 2:14-16, etc.

 

[Hizikyah]

hizikyah i'm willing to have a nice reasonable conversation with you if you are willing, but you never listen to what i have to say to you, i'm willing to just discuss things, but you're just trying to justify your actions without even look at what i have to say, even from the bible, i believe if your willing to let go what you believe in and everyone just have an open minded conversation this thread would b closed

with all respect Josh, and I think you know I do like you even tho we disagree, many times you ignore what I say, so this may be 2 sided? I would like to do this, we should do it over voice chat if possible? I am getting ready to go to the park now, but I would like to do this, much easier to explain out points and views by voice? I respect your love for the Messiah and your maturity!

HalleluYAHWEH!

 

[Hizikyah]

And that includes his word written in Heb 1:1-2, 7:11-12, 18-19, 8:3; Eph 2:14-16, etc.

Every word is every word 100%. We cant pick and choose.

Not accepting someone false view of what a verse means is not rejecting the words of Yahweh. (this goes both ways, to you Im wrong, to me your wrong)

 

[Josh321]

with all respect Josh, and I think you know I do like you even tho we disagree, many times you ignore what I say, so this may be 2 sided? I would like to do this, we should do it over voice chat if possible? I am getting ready to go to the park now, but I would like to do this, much easier to explain out points and views by voice? I respect your love for the Messiah and your maturity!

HalleluYAHWEH!

ok i'm willing to put everysingle thing aside and i will anwser your questions only if you would anwser mine

 

[Welshman]

Acts 2 v29 makes it clear were king David was and still is no ifs no doubts no speculation ... King David is I his grave unto this day amen

 

[just-me]

if people trying to be justified by the law that means there is something missing, they haven't believe on Jesus to receive their salvation, the righteousness of God comes from the holy spirit, but i see so many tring to accomplish their own righteous instead of putting God first

How true. It's all or nothing with God.

 

[Elin]

what defilement Laws are you talking about?

Lev 11 (v.43),
15 (vv.1-12, 19-30),
20 (v.25),
22 (vv.5, 6).

"Do not be made unclean by them." (Lev 11:43)

All bodily discharges made them unclean, and that uncleanness made everything they touched
unclean, and everything that touched what they touched was made unclean (Lev 15:1-12, 19-30).

Therefore, all Gentiles were unclean to them by Lev 15, because the Gentiles had no purification/cleansing remedy.

 

[royalscot]

I don't think, if the conversion is real, that one will practice sin intentionally. We all make mistakes however. Those mistakes can be identified by studying the entire word of God, not just part of it. If we don't see our mistakes because of purposeful neglect, instigated by doctrinal belief systems, people just wind up doing what they want to, and continue to claim salvation without any Spiritual growth. I question that type of salvation. So just because a person claims it, doesn't mean they have it.
you mean, judge not or be judged. forgive to be forgiven. .

Matthew 7:15-20 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Does that make us a person that is judgmental unto condemnation. No. It causes us to see if a person is real or not by knowing what to expect and how to treat them. Scripture will tell us when we take it all into consideration. It becomes easier with time, and study, to know who is real and who isn't. It's called discernment.

without foundation , how can anything stand.(when the flood comes, how can the house stand (etc) if god so loved the world.etc there is no action just a yes or no answer to believing in his son jesus. how can you decern anything. given you need the truth(in the correct foundation ) to set you free first.
knowing your bible is one thing, and the harvest is gods not ours(his plan).

 

[Elin]

lol. ok

Lets have peace between Jew and gentile. that will get us to heaven.

I don't think I understand your point.

Would you please explain.

 

[cfultz3]

everyone who says im wrong for wanting to follow and tech Yahweh's Law is doing this

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

and those who say we shouldnt follow it

Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:

#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Isn't this God's Law: Love?

 

[Elin]

have you ever seen anyone born of God practice sin?

Not as a life style.

Fall short of the mark every now and then, yes.

"But if we confess our sin, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1Jn 1:9)

Why is he just in forgiving our sin and purifying us from all unrighteousness?

 

[cfultz3]

and those who say we shouldnt follow it

Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

Are we to follow the Law or the Spirit?

Does not the Spirit have the same Law?

I guess the question which remains is: how do we implement the Law in our life? Through the Law which has death attached to it or through the Spirit who leads to the Life?