What Laws are still valid to christians

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homwardbound

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contained in ordinances mean in the OT righteousness had to be obtained by following the 10 commandments but in the NT righteousness is obtained through the spirit of God, which means we don't have to do it by the flesh to be righteous anymore we are already righteous by the spirit of God from the fulfillment of the law from his spirit
Does this give one a license to sin? being in unredeemed flesh
 
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You answered my question with a question.

Show me 1 single verse where Yahshua says we should not keep the Law of Yahweh.


I never said we can obey it perfectly but I can show you over and over in the "NT" where ae are told to keep it.

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Show me 1 single verse where Yahshua says we should not keep the Law of Yahweh.
lol.. You don;t get it do you?

Who are those who go around telling people to commit adultry? Certainly not the people of God.

You failed to prove your point.

When are you going to stop worrying about how good you can be, and start focusing on the things God wants you to do? I have asked you this numerous times, and you have yet to answer, why is that?
 
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Originally Posted by Hizikyah

You are the last one to say "verses you stumble over" IMO, you wont even reply to a bunch of verse I posted from the NT, you just go quiet for a while and the return and take a shot at me. Also its easy to pick one part of my post out, ignore the rest and proclaim me wrong.

I'm really not into the 'spray and pray' thing. I'm more inclined to the 'one shot, one kill' approach.
Showing your true colors are ya? LOL:cool:
 

Josh321

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lol. ok

Lets have peace between Jew and gentile. that will get us to heaven.
lol we don't even need to worry about the Jews God will save them as a nation but he deals with us individually, people need to realize this and stop worrying about the Jews i saw some threads on this forum that was asking why the Jews still do burnt offerings or something like that, well the bible specifically said that the Jews were blinded for our purpose so that we can come in but they won't be blind forever when the fulness of the gentiles come in God will shift back to his people
 
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cfultz3

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Yaaqob 2:22, "Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?"

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."
Indeed, faith without works is dead. But, are those works our righteousness or are they a sign of an Holy Spirit led faith?
 
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Its as if some here on cc, have maybe 2/3 computers one with the bible on the other to converse on here and are typing pages of scripture with one hand at the same time pasting tons of verses in reply mostly not even answering the original posts question if this is the case and I've bn assured it is by many now not only they not reading questions thoroughly not taking time to listen nor absorb, neither are they first asking themselves has god give me enough insight into this question before I answer?, or going to prayer and asking The Lord for his view then perhaps replying. Speed is not warranted nor helpful when addressing gods word ? The Lord ain't in no rush? Why do some feel the need for rapid replies and quick retorts to posts?, computer skills may be appreciated bt I doubt truth seekers are interested in that at all, I'm becoming learn,ed in things electronic slowly now and I'm of the opinion its an easy tool for many to print endlessly and not have the patience to search the bible itself and try to Instil it to memory of heart, and have full awareness of context into thier very fabric, not just because there's a screen at my side so I can reply in milliseconds for the good of no one? Didnt Jesus say to the scribes of his time just Avin knowledge of the law is futile ? We gta know Jesus in our hearts not just his words on screen ...
You are dealing with different ideas about how the word of God is to be used.

Some do not believe in "teaching," so they present much for you to consider and learn for yourself.

Others present the word of God in a teaching mode, which doesn't require so much text to be presented.
 

Josh321

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lol.. You don;t get it do you?

Who are those who go around telling people to commit adultry? Certainly not the people of God.

You failed to prove your point.

When are you going to stop worrying about how good you can be, and start focusing on the things God wants you to do? I have asked you this numerous times, and you have yet to answer, why is that?
one word.. Pride, afraid to come to terms of the truth
 

Josh321

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Does this give one a license to sin? being in unredeemed flesh
ofcourse not it's almost impossible for someone to sin after being born of God, that is why it is written those who are born of God overcometh the world and have a new nature, that new nature isn't bond by sin
 
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eternally-gratefull

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is this good enough for you? Ephesians 2:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;


also the word abolish here is meaning that he has fulfilled it in the spirit for us
Amen!

Ephesians 2:15–18 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances,

He abolished that which was enmity (the thing which causes enmity, or hatred, or Hostility between two groups or people, in the context here, between mankind and God)


The thing which caused enmity between God and man? The commandments, the ordinances of the law

so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

Since he abolished the law. He has made peace between God and man, because they just requirement of the law is taken away, He himself became sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God IN HIM, Not in our own doing


[SUP]16 [/SUP]and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.

In order to reconcile us to god. Jesus had to

1. Fulfill the law (obey every command) in the flesh
2. Suffer the requirment of the law in those he wishes to redeem, (shed his blood)
3. Abolish the thing which caused enmity between us, which is the law.


[SUP]17 [/SUP]And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Since he did this. Both the jew, who had the law, and the gentile, who did not have the law. Now have peace with God. And have become one under him.

Yet people want to go back to that which makes enmity between us and God. Why? I will never know
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Does this give one a license to sin? being in unredeemed flesh

A person in unredeemed flesh does not have the capacity to do good. So not sure what your trying to say here.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yaaqob 2:22, "Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?"

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."
Yep.

If I say I have faith. But have no works to prove it. My faith is dead.

Can a person be saved with no faith?? please answer this.
 

Hizikyah

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lol.. You don;t get it do you?

Who are those who go around telling people to commit adultry? Certainly not the people of God.

You failed to prove your point.

When are you going to stop worrying about how good you can be, and start focusing on the things God wants you to do? I have asked you this numerous times, and you have yet to answer, why is that?
So by reading the Scriptures and seeking obedience to every Command of Yahweh and Yahshua (excluding priestly, im not a priest) how is this not seeking to do the will of Yahweh?

Disregarding everything He said is actually obedience?

And seeking to follow everything He said is actually disobedience?

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments;"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Malakyah 4:4-6, "Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments. Behold, I will send the Law and the Prophets, which is The Strength of Yahweh, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Yahweh; And hit will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of
the children to their fathers; before I come and strike the earth with a curse."

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

1 Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah. As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in Yahweh, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in Yahweh."

Leviticus 20:7-8, "Consecrate and sanctify yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am Yahweh your Father. You must therefore keep My statutes, and perform and do them; I am Yahweh Who consecrates and sanctifies you."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Mattithyah 7:21, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"
 
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eternally-gratefull

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lol we don't even need to worry about the Jews God will save them as a nation but he deals with us individually, people need to realize this and stop worrying about the Jews i saw some threads on this forum that was asking why the Jews still do burnt offerings or something like that, well the bible specifically said that the Jews were blinded for our purpose so that we can come in but they won't be blind forever when the fulness of the gentiles come in God will shift back to his people

I worry about both jew and gentile. God wants to redeem them all. Not just one..
 
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So by reading the Scriptures and seeking obedience to every Command of Yahweh and Yahshua (excluding priestly, im not a priest) how is this not seeking to do the will of Yahweh?

Disregarding everything He said is actually obedience?

And seeking to follow everything He said is actually disobedience?

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments;"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Malakyah 4:4-6, "Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments. Behold, I will send the Law and the Prophets, which is The Strength of Yahweh, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Yahweh; And hit will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of
the children to their fathers; before I come and strike the earth with a curse."

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

1 Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah. As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in Yahweh, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in Yahweh."

Leviticus 20:7-8, "Consecrate and sanctify yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am Yahweh your Father. You must therefore keep My statutes, and perform and do them; I am Yahweh Who consecrates and sanctifies you."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Mattithyah 7:21, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"
Who is disregarding what God said?

Can you tell us?
 

Hizikyah

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Yep.

If I say I have faith. But have no works to prove it. My faith is dead.

Can a person be saved with no faith?? please answer this.
I have written this many times, possibly you never saw it...

Fatih alone = dead

Works alone = dead

Fatih + works = life!

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Now you tell me pease why I shouldnt be trying to do and teach Yahweh's Laws?
 
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Showing your true colors are ya? LOL:cool:
Yes I am.

Although we are living in the flesh, we do not wage war according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not merely human, but powerful to God for the tearing down of fortresses, tearing down arguments and all pride that is raised up against the knowledge of God, and taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:3-5​
 
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ofcourse not it's almost impossible for someone to sin after being born of God, that is why it is written those who are born of God overcometh the world and have a new nature, that new nature isn't bond by sin
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

This verse is not speaking of one particular act of sin, because if that were the case, it would be impossible for anyone to be saved. Rather, it is speaking of a way of life of sin. Salvation is not a license to sin, but since our sin nature is not eradicated at salvation, we still have the propensity to sin.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.