What Laws are still valid to christians

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"Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law."
"Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake the words of Christ and his apostles."
 

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Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
 
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Nor was Jesus on earth when the writer of the book of Hebrews wrote that Christ was of the order of Melchizedek.
If he weren't a disciple to whom Jesus personally taught it (Lk 24:44-45), then he learned it directly from the apostles.

There is no witness that Christ ever said that to anyone while on earth.
The witness of what Christ said while on earth is the gospels.
There is no likewise no witness in the gospels that Christ ever said the elements of the earth will be melted in the heat (1Pe 3:12).

Surely you aren't saying that every word Christ spoke was recorded in the gospels (Jn 21:25).

To state that only the apostles had revelation knowledge is foolish.
The "revelation" to the apostles was all the things that Jesus said to them while he was on earth and they could discuss it with him.

The believer receives from the Holy Spirit illumination regarding the word of God, not new authoritative revelation.
 
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One defaults to the word of GOD that teaches to treat one's neighbor as you would like to be treated. That's about as personal as it gets. You know what you don't want your neighbor doing to you, so don't do it to them. That is what Christ called love, and said that it fulfills everything required of the law of Moses.

One defaults to the word of GOD that teaches the work of GOD is to believe into Christ. That is an active trust in Christ's work every moment, not some passive belief that one has stuck on a shelf somewhere in the mind.
Actually, my faith does not put me into Christ.

God gives the gift of faith (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3),
and God places in Christ.

I don't have anything to do with any of it.
 
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Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
To the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, in the light of which all Scripture is to be understood.
 

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This thread is dedicated for all, to recive a clear picture of which Laws are still in used today that God permits, if you have any to share please do, and please give an explanation on why the law still is in effect today in this age thank you and God bless

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

I belive it is to respect , the Overseers & Deacons when they are preaching the word of God to the congregation.

God bless
So would that be compassion, consideration, not a commandment, an understanding as I don't do this or that out of Love?
 

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The only speaking that he does today which is authorized for the Church is his word written.

If it's not in the word written, it has no authority for the Church, God's one people composed of Jew and Gentile.
okay then and so man has taken control of the reins, and God is asleep like Buddha, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man has taken the word and interpreted it according to man's self gain, only God himself can separate the error(s) from truth written as in the interpretations of mankind, but he does not talk except through the word is what you just said. So is God dead or just on vacation or asleep? For man has misinterpreted the word over the years, and the only inerrant word is the original written word before any translation, done well in many places and not so well in other places, changing the meaning of the truth.
I just had coffee this morning with my Father Thanks to Jesus's finished work, where I have access to the throne of grace in confidence to be taught by Father how to say no to unrighteopusness, and Father as never failed me, whether I have failed Father or not.
Maybe I misinterpreted what you said or you might mean to say it differently, your choice. Love you regardless
 

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The only speaking that he does today which is authorized for the Church is his word written.

If it's not in the word written, it has no authority for the Church, God's one people composed of Jew and Gentile.
Where is the true Tabernacle at Sister, not Church. Church is a mistranslated word from the word Ecclesia in the original written inerrant word and these words do not have the same meaning.
 

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Yes, all of the NT is the revelation of Christ Jesus.

The point was the words of Jesus.
By who's interpretation, there is disagreements are there not? Are you right and I wrong or I right and you wrong, when only God is right and not a liar where as man is a liar and seeks for self gratifications, Is this correct?
So since God is the only one right, good, what does that make flesh? And what did Christ die for to do what? could it be to kill flesh? and gives us new life in the resurrected Christ via the Spirit of God, and we by Christ are made friends with Father. That is where I reside and by Father am unmovable all God and none of me, free, thanks be to Christ my propitiation for sin, and for the whole world if they will believe.
True or false in your honest opinion?
 

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Are there any Christian lawyers or police officers in the house?
I think many, and to me I gain a lot of learning sifting all said to Father who has sealed me with the Teacher the Holy Spirit of Father and Christ, so that the truth is separated from any error, and I can live stress free, thanking God and enter his courts with thanksgiving and praise, thanks to Christ's finished work at the cross for me and all that believe, God sets them free once they understand it is all God and of no one else. Works of self is over for no flesh will ever please God outside of Christ.
 

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Yes.
IE:common law, law of the land
From whom did those laws originate and for what purpose are those laws instituted for?

It may take awhile to lay it all out, one step at a time.
Im talking about some people think we are under no law yet uphold law of the land ?
By whose authority are people given to govern a free people
Who gives authority for the law of the land
Where did the law of the land come from
Any Law and all laws are for the Law breaker, and in need of the full Gospel. where once one sees this as God is the teacher for this not man, becomes no more a Law breaker, walking in Faith to Father through the finished work of Son at the cross of Son. Where man gets no credit for self, since self is dead with Christ at Christ's death, and new life is given at the resurrected Christ from Father a free gift than no ne deserves, end of story, "IT IS FINISHED" John 19:30
 

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"Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake the words of Christ and his apostles."
And the just live by Faith n the finished work of Christ where we are presented before Father as Holy by Christ the Son, so Father can do what?
 

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Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
And I have that testimony as you too as well
Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 3:30 seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
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Hizikyah

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Do you believe the prophecies of Yahshua?

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 24:21-22, "For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning of the world to this time--no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."

DO you believe the prophecies of Yahweh?

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

THIS IS A ENDTIME PROPHECY, if the Law were abolished why would the world be punished for breaking them????

"because they have transgressed the Laws
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Luke 24:25, "Then He said to them: O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!"
 

Hizikyah

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Originally Posted by Hizikyah

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."


And I have that testimony as you too as well
Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 3:30 seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
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SO do these verses abrogate prior verses as does in Islam? Or are you preaching a faith alone, which is not really faith at all salvation? IMO what these writers considered faith and what modern day people consider faith are 2 different things =

Hebrews 3:18-19, "And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."

Do you see how no distinction is made between disobedience and unbelief? However the western mind makes a LARGE distinction between the 2. How can we say we understand the word of Yahweh, when we dont think in the same manner as the men who were used by Yahweh to write it?

Yaaqob 2:22 7 26, "Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?" "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."
 

Hizikyah

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Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

To the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, in the light of which all Scripture is to be understood.
I agree.

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
 
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Galatians chapter 5 verse 24 thru 25, And,they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.I'f we live in the spirit,let us also walk in spirit.
 

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Galatians chapter 5 verse 24 thru 25, And,they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.I'f we live in the spirit,let us also walk in spirit.
Do you think the Spirit is in agreement with Yahweh's Law or apposed to it?
 
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I deny the carnal to abide by the spirit.I have faith to live according to Christ.