What Laws are still valid to christians

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The O.T. did not abruptly end.

The Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. about 40 years after the resurrection,

Gal.5
[1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[2] Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
[3] For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[4] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

These are HAPPY Israelites.

Why would anyone want to go where they were.

I think that you are having some Sunday late eve. fun

Keep well.

Was circucision part of the ten commandments ?
 
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But if you are learned in Bible scripture then you will understand that Paul when referring to not being under the law, is talking about the penalty for breaking ten commandments.

Think about it this way; Say you were found guilty of murdering someone, and the law of the land sentenced you to death. Can you "work" your way to freedom? No, because you are under the law and it demands your life. The only way you can be free, is if a judge has compassion on you and pardons you.

Let's say that happens; A judge comes along and pardons you. You are now under grace and no longer under the law, which demanded your life. You are free!! Now, do you leave thinking, "I'm free!! I found grace with the judge, I'm free to go and commit more crimes, because I'm now under grace, not under the law!" Of course not.

Any person with an ounce of gratitude would now go and KEEP the law the best they could. And anyway, does the law of the land now become void because you found grace from the judge? No, the law still stands.

Do you see this truth with regards to being under grace, not under law?
Now let's speak about GOD who alters the persons nature >>

We covered that some things were retained from the law.

Anything the teaches love and good deeds is kept.

Do not forget that some teachings are kept.

Besides faith, love and goods BUT a New cration means something
 

Hizikyah

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Now let's speak about GOD who alters the persons nature >>

We covered that some things were retained from the law.

Anything the teaches love and good deeds is kept.

Do not forget that some teachings are kept.

Besides faith, love and goods BUT a New cration means something
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

However there will be people who will claim Yahweh's Law has been changed.

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."
 
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Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

However there will be people who will claim Yahweh's Law has been changed.

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change
times and Laws
..."
Let's be fair he said that he came to fulfil the law.

Do the baptism that Peter instructed.
 
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But if you are learned in Bible scripture then you will understand that Paul when referring to not being under the law, is talking about the penalty for breaking ten commandments.

Think about it this way; Say you were found guilty of murdering someone, and the law of the land sentenced you to death. Can you "work" your way to freedom? No, because you are under the law and it demands your life. The only way you can be free, is if a judge has compassion on you and pardons you.

Let's say that happens; A judge comes along and pardons you. You are now under grace and no longer under the law, which demanded your life. You are free!! Now, do you leave thinking, "I'm free!! I found grace with the judge, I'm free to go and commit more crimes, because I'm now under grace, not under the law!" Of course not.

Any person with an ounce of gratitude would now go and KEEP the law the best they could. And anyway, does the law of the land now become void because you found grace from the judge? No, the law still stands.

Do you see this truth with regards to being under grace, not under law?
A judge has no power to pardon anyone. In the US only a governor or executive ruler can pardon. A judge can acquit of charges, but he has no authority to pardon once a verdict has been reached.

A pardoned person has been declared guilty, but has been freed from punishment. He is still guilty under the law, and still has a guilty conscience.

In Christ we have been acquitted of all charges for violating the law, and as a result have a clean conscience before GOD.

You basically believe the same thing that Finneyism teaches.
 
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A judge has no power to pardon anyone. In the US only a governor or executive ruler can pardon. A judge can acquit of charges, but he has no authority to pardon once a verdict has been reached.

A pardoned person has been declared guilty, but has been freed from punishment. He is still guilty under the law, and still has a guilty conscience.

In Christ we have been acquitted of all charges for violating the law, and as a result have a clean conscience before GOD.

You basically believe the same thing that Finneyism teaches.

Who is our judge ? does He pardon ?

by thy answer all can see thou art carnally minded
 
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A judge has no power to pardon anyone. In the US only a governor or executive ruler can pardon. A judge can acquit of charges, but he has no authority to pardon once a verdict has been reached.

A pardoned person has been declared guilty, but has been freed from punishment. He is still guilty under the law, and still has a guilty conscience.

In Christ we have been acquitted of all charges for violating the law, and as a result have a clean conscience before GOD.

You basically believe the same thing that Finneyism teaches.

lets see how the bible says there is actually court cases in the spiritual realm

[h=3]Zechariah 3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

3 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.
6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,
7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.
 
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Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

However there will be people who will claim Yahweh's Law has been changed.

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."
Only because the bible says so.
 

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Let's be fair he said that he came to fulfil the law.

Do the baptism that Peter instructed.
If fulfill means "done away" then why did He say twice "I DID NOT COME TO DESTROY" ????

Mattithyah 5:17, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill/establish them."

Most people quit reading at "Do not even think"

And I believe He knew people would misuse His words that is why He said twice "I did not come to destroy." Then He continued to make it very clear:

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Did heaven and earth pass? I will wait while you look out your window............NO? Ok so then according the Yahshua nothing from the Law has passed.

Why would one be called great to teach something that is CALLED BY SOME "a curse" and"done away"?????????

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

2 Timothy 4:3-4, "For the time will come when gthey will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears; (telling them what they want to hear.) And they will turn away their ears from the truth, and will be turned to fables."

The truth is plainly written in front of them yet they turn to fables...

"Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law"

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change
times and Laws
..."

1 Timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron."

"seducing spirits and doctrines of demons" "having their conscience seared as with a hot iron"

I think these people dont even feel bad for their transgressions...
 

Hizikyah

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Originally Posted by Hizikyah

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

However there will be people who will claim Yahweh's Law has been changed.

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

Only because the bible says so.
 
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lets see how the bible says there is actually court cases in the spiritual realm

[h=3]Zechariah 3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

3 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.
6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,
7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.
GOD is lawgiver, judge and ruler. But you are missing the point. A pardoned person has been declared guilty; an acquitted person has been declared innocent. We in Christ have not been pardoned, but have been acquitted of all charges and declared innocent because the judgment due us was executed against Christ, who was declared guilty for our sins. That is why we have a clean conscience before GOD.
 
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Let's be fair he said that he came to fulfil the law.

Do the baptism that Peter instructed.

Matthew 3

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
 
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GOD is lawgiver, judge and ruler. But you are missing the point. A pardoned person has been declared guilty; an acquitted person has been declared innocent. We in Christ have not been pardoned, but have been acquitted of all charges and declared innocent because the judgment due us was executed against Christ, who was declared guilty for our sins. That is why we have a clean conscience before GOD.

Lets see David was acquitted as guilty or innocent when he commiyted adultry ?
 
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If fulfill means "done away" then why did He say twice "I DID NOT COME TO DESTROY" ????

Mattithyah 5:17, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill/establish them."

Most people quit reading at "Do not even think"

And I believe He knew people would misuse His words that is why He said twice "I did not come to destroy." Then He continued to make it very clear:

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Did heaven and earth pass? I will wait while you look out your window............NO? Ok so then according the Yahshua nothing from the Law has passed.

Why would one be called great to teach something that is CALLED BY SOME "a curse" and"done away"?????????

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

2 Timothy 4:3-4, "For the time will come when gthey will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears; (telling them what they want to hear.) And they will turn away their ears from the truth, and will be turned to fables."

The truth is plainly written in front of them yet they turn to fables...

"Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law"

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change
times and Laws
..."

1 Timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron."

"seducing spirits and doctrines of demons" "having their conscience seared as with a hot iron"

I think these people dont even feel bad for their transgressions...
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So we do not have a New Covenant?

I undestand.

Do the return to the Mighty God and call on his name in baptism.

As a Gentile I had to do it and I know the difference.

There is one catch most people do it wrong.

PM me and I will tell you how to do it.

You will be singing sweeter after...guranteed.

Isa.12

[1] And in that day thou shalt say, O LORD, I will praise thee: though thou wast angry with me, thine anger is turned away, and thou comfortedst me.
[2] Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
[3] Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
[4] And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.
[5] Sing unto the LORD; for he hath done excellent things: this is known in all the earth.
[6] Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.

The Apostles are our teachers....
 
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So we do not have a New Covenant?

I undestand.

Do the return to the Mighty God and call on his name in baptism.

As a Gentile I had to do it and I know the difference.

There is one catch most people do it wrong.

PM me and I will tell you how to do it.

You will be singing sweeter after...guranteed.

Isa.12

[1] And in that day thou shalt say, O LORD, I will praise thee: though thou wast angry with me, thine anger is turned away, and thou comfortedst me.
[2] Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
[3] Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
[4] And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.
[5] Sing unto the LORD; for he hath done excellent things: this is known in all the earth.
[6] Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.

The Apostles are our teachers....
Were the 12 diciples baptise ? including Judas
 
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13. Christianity tries hard to ignore Mary Magdalene, to shunt her into the role of an object lesson, but Jesus made it obvious she was an apostle, too.