What Laws are still valid to christians

[wordsponge]

That is ok and can still apply under the N.T.

For a non Israelite you are stuck pretty good.
Now even some of them are catching on.

If O.T. applied I would NEVER take my position.

We cannot make a fool of GOD. It turns back on us.[/QUOTe


According to the bible all of Gods people must be Jews and that is an spiritual Israelite

Romans 2
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Agreed.
Where are they??

How many people do you know who want to.

They do not know the good things...

 

[Isdaniel]

That is a switch for you and the big 10.
Exod.20
[5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:
for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children
unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Jer.31
29] In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
[30] But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
[31] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


Maybe you can help me here.

And it is not a switch from the big ten God ahs mercy on whom He has mercy and the bible does not contradict itself

 

[wordsponge]

And it is not a switch from the big ten God ahs mercy on whom He has mercy and the bible does not contradict itself

Some day when spirit leads you into all truth you will know the truth.
I was amazed.

Jesus knows all. He was there from the beginning.

GOD does not need anyone to cove for him.
He needs to be inquired from.

 

[Isdaniel]

Agreed.
Where are they??

How many people do you know who want to.

They do not know the good things...

They do not want to follow Gods law yet want to be part of the commonwealth of Israel inheritance and want to be called spiritual Israelites or Jews

Revelation 2

8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

 

[Isdaniel]

Some day when spirit leads you into all truth you will know the truth.
I was amazed.

Jesus knows all. He was there from the beginning.

GOD does not need anyone to cove for him.
He needs to be inquired from.

i speak the things that i have be given by my Father and the truth is in Jesus and as long as people worship on a Sunday and call that there sabbath they accept beast worship
you speak things you know not but

 

[Isdaniel]

That is a switch for you and the big 10.
Exod.20
[5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:
for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children
unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Jer.31
29] In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
[30] But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
[31] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


Maybe you can help me here.

precept upon precept

Did not God Thou shall not Kill also


Sins of the fathers hmmmm this you should study

1Kings 14

7 Go, tell Jeroboam, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Forasmuch as I exalted thee from among the people, and made thee prince over my people Israel,
8 And rent the kingdom away from the house of David, and gave it thee: and yet thou hast not been as my servant David, who kept my commandments, and who followed me with all his heart, to do that only which was right in mine eyes;
9 But hast done evil above all that were before thee: for thou hast gone and made thee other gods, and molten images, to provoke me to anger, and hast cast me behind thy back:
10 Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone.
11 Him that dieth of Jeroboam in the city shall the dogs eat; and him that dieth in the field shall the fowls of the air eat: for the Lord hath spoken it.
12 Arise thou therefore, get thee to thine own house: and when thy feet enter into the city, the child shall die.
13 And all Israel shall mourn for him, and bury him: for he only of Jeroboam shall come to the grave, because in him there is found some good thing toward the LordGod of Israel in the house of Jeroboam.
14 Moreover the Lord shall raise him up a king over Israel, who shall cut off the house of Jeroboam that day: but what? even now.

 

[wordsponge]

They do not want to follow Gods law yet want to be part of the commonwealth of Israel inheritance and want to be called spiritual Israelites or Jews

Revelation 2

8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

It is all spiritual. GOD is filtering.

Isa.52
[1] Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; (Apostles)
put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city (Apostles)
for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the >> uncircumcised and the >> unclean.

Look for metaphoric/ spiritual meanings.

GOD has CONFOUNDED the disobedient to his Apostles.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

i speak the things that i have be given by my Father and the truth is in Jesus and as long as people worship on a Sunday and call that there sabbath they accept beast worship
you speak things you know not but

What about people who worship on Sunday, but don't call it the sabbath? There is nothing in the law that requires worship on the sabbath. Just rest from servile work.

 

[wordsponge]

precept upon precept

Did not God Thou shall not Kill also


Sins of the fathers hmmmm this you should study

1Kings 14

7 Go, tell Jeroboam, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Forasmuch as I exalted thee from among the people, and made thee prince over my people Israel,
8 And rent the kingdom away from the house of David, and gave it thee: and yet thou hast not been as my servant David, who kept my commandments, and who followed me with all his heart, to do that only which was right in mine eyes;
9 But hast done evil above all that were before thee: for thou hast gone and made thee other gods, and molten images, to provoke me to anger, and hast cast me behind thy back:
10 Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone.
11 Him that dieth of Jeroboam in the city shall the dogs eat; and him that dieth in the field shall the fowls of the air eat: for the Lord hath spoken it.
12 Arise thou therefore, get thee to thine own house: and when thy feet enter into the city, the child shall die.
13 And all Israel shall mourn for him, and bury him: for he only of Jeroboam shall come to the grave, because in him there is found some good thing toward the LordGod of Israel in the house of Jeroboam.
14 Moreover the Lord shall raise him up a king over Israel, who shall cut off the house of Jeroboam that day: but what? even now.

My friend,

If you knew who the Lord the God of Israel is you would be baptized thsi instant

and forget Moses except and laws to good.

 

[wordsponge]

What about people who worship on Sunday, but don't call it the sabbath? There is nothing in the law that requires worship on the sabbath. Just rest from servile work.

When a person get baptised and Jesus gives hin the H.S.
He becomes >>> happy/ estatic and sing the praises God.

That is the worship that GOD wants, spontaneous.

If such people meet/ gather it is the gayhering of a holy people.

The day is over...

 

[Hizikyah]

Originally Posted by Hizikyah

If fulfill means "done away" then why did He say twice "I DID NOT COME TO DESTROY" ????

Mattithyah 5:17, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill/establish them."

Most people quit reading at "Do not even think"

And I believe He knew people would misuse His words that is why He said twice "I did not come to destroy." Then He continued to make it very clear:

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Did heaven and earth pass? I will wait while you look out your window............NO? Ok so then according the Yahshua nothing from the Law has passed.

Why would one be called great to teach something that is CALLED BY SOME "a curse" and"done away"?????????

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

2 Timothy 4:3-4, "For the time will come when gthey will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears; (telling them what they want to hear.) And they will turn away their ears from the truth, and will be turned to fables."

The truth is plainly written in front of them yet they turn to fables...

"Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law"

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change
times and Laws..."

1 Timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron."

"seducing spirits and doctrines of demons" "having their conscience seared as with a hot iron"

I think these people dont even feel bad for their transgressions...

***

So we do not have a New Covenant?

I undestand.

Do the return to the Mighty God and call on his name in baptism.

As a Gentile I had to do it and I know the difference.

There is one catch most people do it wrong.

PM me and I will tell you how to do it.

You will be singing sweeter after...guranteed.

Isa.12

[1] And in that day thou shalt say, O LORD, I will praise thee: though thou wast angry with me, thine anger is turned away, and thou comfortedst me.
[2] Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
[3] Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
[4] And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.
[5] Sing unto the LORD; for he hath done excellent things: this is known in all the earth.
[6] Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.

The Apostles are our teachers....

Where did I say Yahshua has not ratified a covenant from Yahweh in His blood? Or is that your way of changing the subject of my post to ignore it?

Also I addressed what Yahweh would offer His people in a prior post and this new/renewed covenant matches all the words of the Messiah.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."
8451. torah
torah: direction, instruction, law
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw')
Short Definition: law

 

[Isdaniel]

lest see if my God the True God of Israel say to forget Moses

Malachai 4 does not say so

 

[wordsponge]

Originally Posted by Hizikyah

If fulfill means "done away" then why did He say twice "I DID NOT COME TO DESTROY" ????

Mattithyah 5:17, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill/establish them."

Most people quit reading at "Do not even think"

And I believe He knew people would misuse His words that is why He said twice "I did not come to destroy." Then He continued to make it very clear:

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Did heaven and earth pass? I will wait while you look out your window............NO? Ok so then according the Yahshua nothing from the Law has passed.

Why would one be called great to teach something that is CALLED BY SOME "a curse" and"done away"?????????

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

2 Timothy 4:3-4, "For the time will come when gthey will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears; (telling them what they want to hear.) And they will turn away their ears from the truth, and will be turned to fables."

The truth is plainly written in front of them yet they turn to fables...

"Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law"

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change
times and Laws..."

1 Timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron."

"seducing spirits and doctrines of demons" "having their conscience seared as with a hot iron"

I think these people dont even feel bad for their transgressions...




Where did I say Yahshua has not ratified a covenant from Yahweh in His blood? Or is that your way of changing the subject of my post to ignore it?

Also I addressed what Yahweh would offer His people in a prior post and this new/renewed covenant matches all the words of the Messiah.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."
8451. torah
torah: direction, instruction, law
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw')
Short Definition: law

Did Jeremiah say New Cov. or renewed Cov.

Try the baptism, but that is for people who want forgiveness as David said.

Then they also don't lie because they become like the Remnent of Israel, the good guys.

GOD knew what he was doing when he enlightened some of us for his name.

 

[wordsponge]

QUOTE=Isdaniel;1279098]

lest see if my God the True God of Israel say to forget Moses

Malachai 4 does not say so

You're retracing.

Try Jeremiah.

If you stay with Moses even GOD burn down his Temple and left.

You will never get the Spirit becaise you despised the same GOD you're talking about.

Move on brother...You are not even an Israelite.

 

[Hizikyah]

My friend,

If you knew who the Lord the God of Israel is you would be baptized thsi instant

and forget Moses except and laws to good.

Did Jeremiah say New Cov. or renewed Cov.

Try the baptism, but that is for people who want forgiveness as David said.

Then they also don't lie because they become like the Remnent of Israel, the good guys.

GOD knew what he was doing when he enlightened some of us for his name.

Actually the word translated "NEW" is the same word used for "new moon" when in actual fact it is not a new moon but the same moon every 30 days...

I am no Hebrew scholar not by a long shot, but I have heard a Hebrew University scholar that is one of the world leaders in ANCIENT HEBREW not modern Hebrew say the word is and can be used for new or renew. And while I dont place the words of any scholar as 100% right, however the Scriptures show this is in fact a RENEWED covenant. The land promises made to Abraham are also given to us who accept the Messiah.

I had to study these verses (and others of course) for weeks and weeks to understand this as I was taught a "new" covenant my entire life. What people fail to realize is the religion most follow has little in common with what the disciples followed and is a new religion ushered in by Constantine, which is Babylonian to the core.

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Psalam 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change the Law that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Move on brother...You are not even an Israelite.

Yep. It's time to let go of Sinai and move on to the promised land (so to speak)

You have gone around this mountain long enough: turn northward. Deuteronomy 2:3​

 

[wordsponge]

Actually the word translated "NEW" is the same word used for "new moon" when in actual fact it is not a new moon but the same moon every 30 days...

I am no Hebrew scholar not by a long shot, but I have heard a Hebrew University scholar that is one of the world leaders in ANCIENT HEBREW not modern Hebrew say the word is and can be used for new or renew. And while I dont place the words of any scholar as 100% right, however the Scriptures show this is in fact a RENEWED covenant. The land promises made to Abraham are also given to us who accept the Messiah.

I had to study these verses (and others of course) for weeks and weeks to understand this as I was taught a "new" covenant my entire life. What people fail to realize is the religion most follow has little in common with what the disciples followed and is a new religion ushered in by Constantine, which is Babylonian to the core.

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Psalam 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change the Law that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

Was Jeremiah talking about land?

Like I say my friend GOD took us like unlearned Israelites but he made a wise people for his name.
I can tell that you're not baptized.

You're wasting energy on me.

You will have more success with another Gentile who is nto baptized correctly.
Didn't Moses say that if you didn't hear Messiah is 'all' things that you will be cut off.

Forget any scholars and study and obey the Apostles.

When we stand befor Christ then you will be happy.

In either case I stand with the help of the same Judge.

 

[wordsponge]

Yep. It's time to let go of Sinai and move on to the promised land (so to speak)

You have gone around this mountain long enough: turn northward. Deuteronomy 2:3​

And may he take you by the hand as promised.
Do you see that after baptism Jesus was LED by the Spirit.?
That is the guaranteed win for us who returned/ come to the Great One.

He made us to start and now putting us back to image.

 

[Hizikyah]

Was Jeremiah talking about land?

Like I say my friend GOD took us like unlearned Israelites but he made a wise people for his name.
I can tell that you're not baptized.

You're wasting energy on me.

You will have more success with another Gentile who is nto baptized correctly.
Didn't Moses say that if you didn't hear Messiah is 'all' things that you will be cut off.

Forget any scholars and study and obey the Apostles.

When we stand befor Christ then you will be happy.

In either case I stand with the help of the same Judge.

You ignore the bulk and point of what i say focus on a side note and misrepresent it.

Revelation 15:3, "And they sing the Song of Mosheh, the servant of Yahweh, and the Song of the Lamb, saying: Great and marvelous are Your works, Father Yahweh Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of saints!"

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

 

[Isdaniel]

My friend,

If you knew who the Lord the God of Israel is you would be baptized thsi instant

and forget Moses except and laws to good.

why what i post did not say that i post it instead it said you how come