What Laws are still valid to christians

[Hizikyah]

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

For those who want to reject the words "ALL THE LAW" :

Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

"but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven"

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?."

"Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works?"

Do Muslims do things in His Name? Buddists? Hare Krishnas? or Atherist? You get the point This is a message to us! Followers of or people who claim to be followers of the Messiah. If you tell me to mow your lawn in a CERTIAN manner, but I do it the way I choose, did I do it your way?

"But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity!"

Iniquity is Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.

So unless you can ignore "ALL THE LAW" and change the meaning of iniquity into something besides transgression, lawlessness, or not being subject to Law, I think its very east to understand.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

This is to all, again ask yourself, are you the seed of satan who fights against those who keep Yahweh's Law? Or are you the seed of Yahweh who subjects themselves to Yahweh's Law?

 

[Elin]

Elin, One has no right to abolish what God has ordained forever.

God does, and his word in the revelation spoken by his Son in the last days (Heb 1:1-2), given through
the writers of the NT in Heb 7-9 and Eph 2:15, reveal that he has.

1 Peter 1:22-25 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereoffalleth away:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

And that includes the word of the Lord spoken by the Son in the last days (Heb 1:1-2), given
through the writers of the NT, which reveals God has made some changes from the OT to the NT.

Ephesians 2:15-16 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

This is what Ephesians says, and it doesn’t contradict what I said, or the many scriptures that I last posted to you.
Jesus took in His body what was actively opposed and hostile to us occasioned by the Law,

"Even" means "that is," showing specifically that the enmity (between Jew and Gentile) was the law.

You still have not reckoned with the grammatical construction of Eph 2:15, where
the hostility was between Jew and Gentile, between whom Jesus made peace
by abolishing the source of the hostility, the Mosaic law with its defilement regulations.

Your issue is not with me, it is with the grammatical construction. of Eph 2:15.

along with the commands set forth in the form of ordinances. He didn’t kill the law of God, He died with the sin that the law exposed.
He did this in order to create a union of peace with himself and two groups being the Jews and gentiles.

That is not what the text states.

Your explanation is not according to the sense of Eph 2:15-16, where
his death on the cross created peace

1) between Jew and Gentile, by abolishing the source of their hostility in the defilement laws, and making them into one new man, the body of Christ, and

2) between God and the one body of Jews and Gentiles, by forgiveness of their sin through his propitiating sacrifice, which gave them right standing (not quilty) before God.

"His purpose was to create in himself one new man our of the two (Eph 2:15)."

A "new man" is not created from law and men.

"And in this one body (of Jews and Gentiles, not of law and men) to reconcile both of them
to God (not to himself) through the cross (Eph 2:16)."

The peace was achieved because of this common belief.

Peace between God and the one body (of Jews and Gentiles) was not achieved by "common belief,"
it was achieved on the cross by the forgiveness of sin giving the one body a right standing (not guilty) before God.

Your explanation does not even fit in the sense of Eph 2:15-16.

If the law were abolished, Paul wouldn’t have written the “law is our schoolmaster” to the Galatians.
He would have probably written the ‘Holy Spirit is our schoolmaster to lead us to Christ’ because we are drawn by the Holy Spirit.

I'm sure had Paul known you felt this way, he would have written it that way, happy to contradict himself in Eph 2:15.

Galatians 3:21-22 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

One must keep in mind that the law is not against God’s purpose.

Agreed. . .it served God's purpose, like the sacrifices, and has now been set aside (Heb 7:18-19)
like the sacrifices, and replaced with the law of Christ (1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2; Jn 13:34; Mt 22:37-40;
Gal 5:6), just as the sacrifices were replaced with the sacrifice of Christ.

Even today, the law exposes our falling short. Falling short is human nature, and because we believe in the Word of God, we see our need for Christ. Take away what shows us our need and we won’t see the necessity of the sacrifice of Christ

The world does not even read the law.

Since the Holy Spirit has been given, the world is convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit (Jn 16:8-11),
not by the law.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This is to all, again ask yourself, are you the seed of satan who fights against those who keep Yahweh's Law? Or are you the seed of Yahweh who subjects themselves to Yahweh's Law?

Moses wrote that whoever wasn't circumcised would be cut of from his people.

In the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. Leviticus 12:3

The uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Genesis 17:14
​

Paul wrote that whoever became circumcised would be cut off from Christ.

Behold, I, Paul, tell you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing! And again I testify to every man who becomes circumcised, that he is under obligation to keep the whole law. You are estranged from Christ, you who are attempting to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:2-4​

It is impossible to do both. Which is GOD's law?

 

[just-me]

The old is the giant and the new is the midget, so if we put the midget on top of the giant, the midget sees all the way home, as the giant can't yet until the giant says here sit on my shoulders so we won't be blind any longer

Good point. Take away the Giant, and the midget is short sighted. When the midget gets up on the giants shoulders, he clarifies to the giant why the big guy is so important case what was hidden is no seen. That's like a fulfilling thing.

 

[Hizikyah]

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

This is to all, again ask yourself, are you the seed of satan who fights against those who keep Yahweh's Law? Or are you the seed of Yahweh who subjects themselves to Yahweh's Law?

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Pslam 119:97-105, "O how we love Your Law! It is our meditation all the day. Your Laws make us wiser than our enemies, because they are our possession at all times.We have more understanding than all our teachers, because Your testimonies are our meditation. We understand more than the ancients, because we keep Your precepts. We have restrained our feet (from the path o)f every evil way, in order that we may keep Your Law. We have not turned away from Your judgments, for You Yourself have taught us. How sweet are Your Laws to our taste; sweeter than honey to our mouths! From Your precepts we get understanding! Therefore, we hate every path of falsehood.Your Law is a lamp to our feet, and a light to our path."

Psalm 119:44-47, "So we will keep Your Law continually and forever! We will walk at for we seek Your precepts! We will speak of Your testimonies before kings, and will not be ashamed. We will delight ourselves in Your Laws, which we love! We will raise our hands up to Your Laws, which we love, and we will meditate on Your statutes."

Psalm 119:142-144, 150-152, "Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, because Your Law is the truth! Trouble and anguish have overtaken us, but Your Laws are our delights. The righteousness of Your testimonies is everlasting, giving us understanding, so we may live," "They draw near who follow after wickedness; they are far from Your Law! You are near, O Yahweh, and all Your Laws are truth! Long ago we learned from Your testimonies, that You have founded them forever!"

Psalm 19:7-11, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, econverting the fwhole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure,
bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them are Your servants warned, and in keeping them there is great greward."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices breaking the Law."

Last page of the "OT" and an endtime prophecy:

Malakyah 4:4, "Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."

Yeremyah 50:5, "They will ask the way to Zion, and turn their faces toward it, saying; Come! Let us join ourselves to Yahweh, in the everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten."

Psalm 105:8-10, "He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then
you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Isayah 24:5-6, "The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the
ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

Psalm 111:7-10, "The works of Your hands are truth and judgment, and all Your Laws are esure; They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness. You sent redemption to fYour people; You have commanded Your covenant forever. Holy and Reverend is Your Name. The reverence of Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom. A great understanding have all they who do (Your Laws.) Your praise endures for ever!"

Psalm 119:160, "Your Law is true from the beginning, and every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever!"

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Psalm 89:26-34, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change the Command that has gone out of My lips."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

This is to all, again ask yourself, are you the seed of satan who fights against those who keep Yahweh's Law? Or are you the seed of Yahweh who subjects themselves to Yahweh's Law?

 

[LT]

No one can despise the law and love Christ.
No one can submit to the law and submit to Christ.

The Law is for the Israelites.
The Christian does not need to see the Law to follow it; they only need to follow Christ, and they will be following the Law.
If a man submits himself to the judgement of the Law, then he is trusting in his own work, and is condemned.

 

[Hizikyah]

Moses wrote that whoever wasn't circumcised would be cut of from his people.

In the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. Leviticus 12:3

The uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Genesis 17:14
​

Paul wrote that whoever became circumcised would be cut off from Christ.

Behold, I, Paul, tell you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing! And again I testify to every man who becomes circumcised, that he is under obligation to keep the whole law. You are estranged from Christ, you who are attempting to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:2-4​

It is impossible to do both. Which is GOD's law?

Thge Messiah said Yahwe's Law would never be done away and His followers should do and teach Yahweh's Law:

Mattithyah 5:17-18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected. Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Shaul grew up a Pharisee, he did not know the difference between Yahweh's Instructions and the rabbis, until Yahshua called him, I think this is lost on the western world. The rabbis said to even accept Yahshua they gentiles had to be circumcised, however the Scriptures say no such thing, we can come to accepting Yahshua;s blood no matter what state we are in. When one spends a lifetime studying the Scriptures without understanding key principles they get stuck in a false intrepretation, and verses that seem contrary, (like everything Yahshua said anbout keeping the Law) are ignored or wrongly explained away. BOTTOM line verses in Revelation are the final message we have RECORDED, and Yahshua is very clear in if we are to follow yahweh's Instructions or not multiple times in Revelation. In chap 22 Yahshua even name transgressed LAWS which will keeep people out of the kingdom. (im not here to argue just wake up followers out of the mystery of iniquity, iniquity IS LAWLESSNESS any other meaning is a LIE)

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

 

[Elin]

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

This is to all, again ask yourself, are you the seed of satan who fights against those who keep Yahweh's Law? Or are you the seed of Yahweh who subjects themselves to Yahweh's Law?

Or. . .are you one who does not believe the word of God
in the revelation spoken by the Son in the last days (Heb 1:1-2), given through the NT writers,
which reveals that God has made some big changes from the Sinaitic Covenant to the New Covenant
(Lk 22:20)?

 

[Hizikyah]

No one can despise the law and love Christ.
No one can submit to the law and submit to Christ.

The Law is for the Israelites.
The Christian does not need to see the Law to follow it; they only need to follow Christ, and they will be following the Law.
If a man submits himself to the judgement of the Law, then he is trusting in his own work, and is condemned.

The Law was never for only Hebrews/Israylites: (and jewish proselytes is a theological cemetary lie, IF you believe Yahweh)

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who asojourns with you."

Yahshua rejects people for not subjecting themselves to Yahweh's LAW.

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

Iniquity is Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.

Mattithayh 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

We can not enter the Kingdom of Yahweh by the Law alone, but we can not make it by rejecting Yahweh's Law.

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Shaul grew up a Pharisee, he did not know the difference between Yahweh's Instructions and the rabbis, until Yahshua called him, I think this is lost on the western world. The rabbis said to even accept Yahshua they gentiles had to be circumcised, however the Scriptures say no such thing, we can come to accepting Yahshua;s blood no matter what state we are in. When one spends a lifetime studying the Scriptures without understanding key principles they get stuck in a false intrepretation, and verses that seem contrary, (like everything Yahshua said anbout keeping the Law) are ignored or wrongly explained away. BOTTOM line verses in Revelation are the final message we have RECORDED, and Yahshua is very clear in if we are to follow yahweh's Instructions or not multiple times in Revelation. In chap 22 Yahshua even name transgressed LAWS which will keeep people out of the kingdom. (im not here to argue just wake up followers out of the mystery of iniquity, iniquity IS LAWLESSNESS any other meaning is a LIE)

So are you saying that the law of circumcision is not binding on gentiles?

 

[Hizikyah]

Or. . .are you one who does not believe the word of God
in the revelation spoken by the Son in the last days (Heb 1:1-2), given through the NT writers,
which reveals that God has made some big changes from the Sinaitic Covenant to the New Covenant
(Lk 22:20)?

The "OT" verse that prophecises this "new" covenant, get with a Hebrew scholar form Hebrew University and you will see it is re-newed covenant. Its the same word used for the new/re-newed moon, its not a new moon every "month" its the same moon, but a new appearance of it. I have to get moving so I dont have time to post all the Scriptures on this, not that it would open any eyes, but look beyond a concordance, look a few layers deep. Think about this if sacrificial Law were done away how would you EVER HAVE ACCEPTED the REAL SACRIFICE, the REAL PASSOVER LAMB? The Messiah. The Sacrifice that was the reason the Law was made, the one and one, and final Sacrifice. Also if the priestly Laws were done away how would yahshua be our high priest and mediator? 1 Timothy 2:5, "For One is Yahweh; and One Mediator between Yahweh and men: the Man, Yahshua Messiah." A transfer has occoured, a renewal.

HalleluYAHWEH!

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

So are you saying that the law of circumcision is not binding on gentiles?

Do all these Judaisers come from the same sect? Or are there various cults represented here? Or are these just the ravings of a few mad souls?

I'd be interested to find out. I knew there were a few cults out there - JWs, Mormons etc., but I didn't realise there were still some that went against such clear teachings of scripture as these.

 

[Elin]

The "OT" verse that prophecises this "new" covenant, get with a Hebrew scholar form Hebrew University and you will see it is re-newed covenant.

Nope.

Jesus said in Lk 22:20 that the covenant was kainos (never existing before), not ananeeo (renewed).

 

[just-me]

Elin, One has no right to abolish what God has ordained forever.

God does, and his word in the revelation spoken by his Son in the last days (Heb 1:1-2), given through
the writers of the NT in Heb 7-9 and Eph 2:15, reveal that he has.

1 Peter 1:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
Psalm 119:160 (KJV)
[SUP]160 [/SUP]Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Forever is profound, wouldn’t you say?


Galatians 3:21a (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid:

Since the Holy Spirit has been given, the world is convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit (Jn 16:8-11),
not by the law.

Ephesians 2:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Can we agree that Jesus abolished the enmity between God and man, and everything God has said and done was the plan from the beginning? That's what I'm focusing on.
Are you really saying that the Holy Spirit is separate from the Mosaic Law?

The priesthood changed on the mount of transfiguration. God, who gave the law confirmed, and gave witness to the teachings of Jesus. God doesn’t change, and neither does Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 1:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Isaiah 61:8-11 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.
The law was part of the plan from the beginning. If the lost of this world don’t read it, then who’s responsible? If it’s the schoolmaster for the lost, why aren’t we using it to bring them to Christ? Paul used it for the gentiles. The Bereans had it via the dispersed tribes of Israel, and were better for it. Why in heaven's name would God want it to disappear, and have His elect say that it doesn’t count for anything any more.
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that the New Testament hadn’t been published yet while the letters were being written therein, so where did they get their information? The Bible says to test the Spirits. What did they use to confirm the truth and the right Spirit?
1 John 4:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Romans 5:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For if, when we were enemies, (at enmity with God because of the Law) we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Romans 6:14-16 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

[Zmouth]

This thread is dedicated for all, to recive a clear picture of which Laws are still in used today that God permits, if you have any to share please do, and please give an explanation on why the law still is in effect today in this age thank you and God bless

What is one Absolute and Eternal Law? I would suggest the LAW of TRUTH.

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Gal 5:14

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The "OT" verse that prophecises this "new" covenant, get with a Hebrew scholar form Hebrew University and you will see it is re-newed covenant. Its the same word used for the new/re-newed moon, its not a new moon every "month" its the same moon, but a new appearance of it.

More deceit from the Yahweh cult. A cherry-picked definition to suit their heresy.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Do all these Judaisers come from the same sect? Or are there various cults represented here? Or are these just the ravings of a few mad souls?

I'd be interested to find out. I knew there were a few cults out there - JWs, Mormons etc., but I didn't realise there were still some that went against such clear teachings of scripture as these.

Some are sabbatarians, some are hebrew roots cultists, at least one from the Yahweh cult...

 

[just-me]

We all break the commandments, and that's why we need Christ.

Hebrews 9:19-22 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Negating the law by our rhetoric, so our sins will not find us out, is the same thing as breaking the law. We are supposed to see our carnal state, especially after we are born again, for that doesn't vanish in an instant. We are to fight for our rightful place where God wants us to be. Our enemy still tempts us as he did Jesus. As individuals, we all have a place that was foreordained by God.

Numbers 32:20-23 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And Moses said unto them, If ye will do this thing, if ye will go armed before the LORD to war,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And will go all of you armed over Jordan before the LORD, until he hath driven out his enemies from before him,
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the land be subdued before the LORD: then afterward ye shall return, and be guiltless before the LORD, and before Israel; and this land shall be your possession before the LORD.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.

Teaching others to not recognize the law, so they won't see where we fall short, is not the will of our Savior. The Pharisees distorted the law and practiced things against the law and we shouldn't do likewise.

Matthew 5:17-20 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

If this doesn't create the fear of the Lord in you as it does me, your sins will find you out later instead of sooner.

Isaiah 45:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Romans 14:11-13 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

 

[Elin]

Ephesians 2:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Yes, a further development of chp 1:

blessed in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ (not the Mosaic law),
chosen in Christ (not the Mosaic law) before the foundation of the world
to be holy and blameless in his sight through Christ (not through the Mosaic law),
predestined to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ (not through the Mosaic law)
in accordance with his pleasure and will (not in accordance with the Mosaic law)
to the praise of his glorious grace (not to the praise of law keeping)
which he has freely given us in the One he loves (not in law keeping)
in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,
in accordance with the riches of God's grace (not with the riches of law keeping)
that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding (not parceled out based on law keeping)
chosen, having been predestined in conformity with the purpose of his will (not according to the Mosaic Law).

Can we agree that Jesus abolished the enmity between God and man,

We can agree that we were enemies of God until we were born again.

and everything God has said and done was the plan from the beginning?

That would include all the changes he has made in going from the Sinaitic Covenant to the New Covenant.

Are you really saying that the Holy Spirit is separate from the Mosaic Law?

Are you saying the Law is a person?

The priesthood changed on the mount of transfiguration.

The priesthood did not change as long as the sacrifices were still in force, which was until
the sacrifice of Christ.

God, who gave the law confirmed, and gave witness to the teachings of Jesus. God doesn’t change, and neither does Jesus Christ.

God doesn't have to change in order to make big changes in going from the temporary
Sinaitic Covenant and Law (Ro 5:20; Gal 4:19) to the New Covenant.

The law was part of the plan from the beginning.

Everything that was, is and will be were part of the plan from the beginning,
including the changes God made in going from the Sinaitic Covenant to the New Covenant.

If the lost of this world don’t read it, then who’s responsible? If it’s the schoolmaster for the lost, why aren’t we using it to bring them to Christ?

Those are your suppostions regarding the NT, which are not supported by the NT.

Paul used it for the gentiles. The Bereans had it via the dispersed tribes of Israel, and were better for it. Why in heaven's name would God want it to disappear, and have His elect say that it doesn’t count for anything any more.

Proably for the same reason he wants His elect to say that it is still necessasry for salvation.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that the New Testament hadn’t been published yet while the letters were being written therein, so where did they get their information?

I'm thinkin' Paul hauling his carcass up and down the Mediterranean several times
had somethin' to do with it, as well the the apostles preaching to the Jews.

The Bible says to test the Spirits. What did they use to confirm the truth and the right Spirit?
1 John 4:1 (KJV) -[SUP]1 [/SUP]Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

The same way we do today, from the Scriptures understood in the light of the teaching given us by the apostles.

 

[just-me]

The "OT" verse that prophecises this "new" covenant, get with a Hebrew scholar form Hebrew University and you will see it is re-newed covenant. Its the same word used for the new/re-newed moon, its not a new moon every "month" its the same moon, but a new appearance of it.

More deceit from the Yahweh cult. A cherry-picked definition to suit their heresy.

Lamentations 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

Colossians 3:9-10 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Jeremiah 31:31 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Ezekiel 37:16-22 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:


Hizikyah is right. There was a covenant prophesied with all Israel from Ezekiel. The ten tribes known in prophecy are Ephraim enslaved by the Assyrians, and Judah, captured by the Babylonians. Ephraim is still scattered. The renewed covenant is to bring them back together again and Christ Jesus as King and High Priest rather than David, and Solomon as King, and the Priesthood being of Levi. Jesus and Judah are the RENEWED covenant.