What Mormons believe

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Cassian

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In His Word, the Bible, God tells us to test what we hear and read against what God says (which is only found in the Bible). Mormonism doesn't line up with God's Word. It contradicts the Bible in many ways. Why should we believe the private revelations of a known con-man and plagarist over the one true God? There's no new revelation. The Bible, combined with the guidance of the Holy Spirit is all we need. I'm hedging my bets on God.
Your statement is based on what YOU say the Bible means. Joseph Smith did the same thing you are doing and made the same claim. Mormonism does not line up with YOUR interpretation of scripture. And why should one believe Calvin, Luther, Eddy, Russell, White. Hubbard, Lorbor or Summers? Every denomination is founded by a man. A man who has imposed HIS interpretation upon a text.
You can hedge your bet, but you have not more confidence than a Mormon or Jehovah Witness or Christadelphian, or Calvinist because you are ultimately hedging it on your intellectual accumen and personal interpretation.
 

Cassian

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Mormon beliefs are not anymore out there than Christian...Muslim...jewish......really take a look at your holy books....there's things you believe that are on the same level as the next religion and guess what none of you have proof it really happened as out did, you just have your faith in common......your more alike than you know, try showing some tolerance and kindness, instead of basing one another
Another historical note, Islam is also derived and based on scripture. Mohammed grew up in a Christian society, the Nestorian sect that has split off from the Church due to heresy. Mohmmed was ennamered about these strange people who used a Book. He called them Book people. When he developed the Koran, he borrowed heavily from scripture and added his own brand making it Islam. Some of you need to get a much broader perspective on just what you believe and why or how you came to believe as you do.
 

Apostol2013

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I am not trying to deflect but who wrote Hebrews? It is attributed to Paul, but it is doubtful that he was the author..

I will try and explain. During the time of Moses, God gave to Israel two orders of priesthoods. One was the Levitical order, and the other was the Aaronic order. The levitical order was given to the Levites as their inheritance.. Each of the eleven other tribes had one twelfth of the tribe of Levi to carryon the physical ministrants of Israel. The Aaronic order was given to those that could do work in the Holies of Holies in the Tabernacle. It was a higher priesthood calling. Moses had an even Higher priesthood which he had gotten from his Father in law who was a Midianite from the linage of Abraham. So Moses was a Levite, yet he also held a higher priesthood.


The first two lower priesthood were given to Israel as a preparatory priesthood and was given to Israel because they were not willing to live in a higher order. If you remember when Moses went to Mt. Sinai to get the law. When Moses returned, Israel had got wild. Moses destroyed those laws, and went to get a lower law, or the spoon fed laws from God. The Ten Commandments. He then introduced the priesthood to Israel. At one time they had the Priesthood because Jacob received it from his father who had gotten it from his father who paid tithes to Melchizedec a High Priest.


Before Jesus started his ministry, he went to a man by the name of John the Baptist. Why? Baptism is unto repentance. Jesus was perfect and had not disobeyed God, and therefore did not need to be Baptized unto repentance. John said that it was he who needed to be baptized of him. And Jesus said that he needed to be baptized to fulfill all righteousness. John was not a High priest after the order of Melchizedec. He was a literal descendant of Aaron because his father was a high Priest after the order of Aaron or the Aaronic Priesthood. Only the literal descendants of Aaron could offer sacrifice in the Temple. What is interesting is that a member of the higher lower Priesthood could administer in the lower, but the lower could not administer in the higher.


When Christ was working his ministry, he was a High Priest after the order of Melchizedec. He is the highest High Priest in that order. That does not mean that the order is done away with here on earth. It existed from the time of Adam to Moses, and from Moses to Jesus Christ. Christ then laid his hands upon his disciples and gave them the Priesthood to act in God's name and to teach the world about the gospel.

In 1829, While Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery were translating the final chapters of the Book of Mormon, they had inquired to the Lord about Baptism. While in Prayer, an Angel appeared who identified himself as John, the same one that was called John the Baptist. He was a resurrected being and placed his hands upon both Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery and conferred the Aaronic Priesthood upon them which also included the Levitical order. Not long after that, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery were in running along the Susquehanna River, trying to elude the law which had placed them in Jail on trumped up charges in which the Jail keeper had released them. As the were running, they stopped to get their breath along the river and knelt down in Prayer when three angels appeared to them. They identified themselves as Peter, James and John. The told Joseph Smith that he and Oliver were to be ordained after the order of Melchizedec. We believe that all the priesthood authority has been restored to the earth, and those who are worthy can obtain these priesthoods.

I know that you are not going to accept this, but this is what we truly believe happened.
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

42 Jesus says unto them, Did all of you never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?


43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.


45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spoke of them.
 

Apostol2013

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Now when Christ being received in heaven the angel announced in the same like manner as they saw him leave in that same member is he to come , but before departing Jesus had said go into all the nations and to the ends of the earth and preach the gospel baptizing them in the name of that Father the Son and the Holy Spirit now this is the great commission and this would be said to give instruction to all the future disciples of the world and in Thessalonians it states whether it be an angel or man or even one of us should come with a gosplel other than the one we have delivered let him be accursed , there is no other gospel to be delivered other than that of the canon as written Jesus replaced the covenant the priesthood even magnified the Law revealing the true Law of the Spirit which all that love the flesh deny so again as the apostles have said it whether it be angels any man or even one of us deliver a gospel other than how Christ and the apostles have delivered it let him be accursed (anathema) but I plea that you lay your stubbornness or suffer the consequences of your errors for there is no other gospler than that delivered by the apostles which have pronounced the curse even upon them if they would preach faslsities .
 
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Tintin

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Another historical note, Islam is also derived and based on scripture. Mohammed grew up in a Christian society, the Nestorian sect that has split off from the Church due to heresy. Mohmmed was ennamered about these strange people who used a Book. He called them Book people. When he developed the Koran, he borrowed heavily from scripture and added his own brand making it Islam. Some of you need to get a much broader perspective on just what you believe and why or how you came to believe as you do.
I know about Islam. It's likely Mohammed's divine intervention was that of a fallen angel, if the fruit is anything to go by. Again, private revelation is very suspect. Doubly so from Joseph Smith's lips.
 

Apostol2013

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Mormon beliefs are not anymore out there than Christian...Muslim...jewish......really take a look at your holy books....there's things you believe that are on the same level as the next religion and guess what none of you have proof it really happened as out did, you just have your faith in common......your more alike than you know, try showing some tolerance and kindness, instead of basing one another
Believed in the word and you shall live reject the Word and He shall reject you but know this , He waits with open arms at any time if you shouldd decide to repent and take His rest ..
 
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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) is very interesting in one respect. The Church teaches that every person is given the light of Christ and has the ability to discern good from evil. They do not send scriptural scholars out as missionaries to convince people that their interpretation of the scriptures is the most correct. Instead they send largely 18-20 year old young men and young women volunteers out with a simple message.
-God has visited the earth and called prophets as he did all throughout Biblical times.
-He has preserved ancient scripture and miraculously brought it forth to confirm the truths of the Bible and lay to rest the countless disputations concerning His gospel.
-Every living son or daughter of God can verify these truths for themselves by reading these ancient scriptures and then asking God if they are true.

If you want to know if these things are true then you can find out for yourself directly from God through the Holy Spirit. If you don't want to know if they are true, then it is in your best interest to just leave the whole thing alone.

Since God the Father and His Son Jesus visited the earth in the early 1800's, tens of millions of people have read the Book of Mormon and received a witness of its divinity. These people have come to a greater love of the Savior Jesus Christ and in turn become better Christians, have more joy in life, have more peace, built stronger families, learned how to overcome personal challenges and sin, and in short are happier.
I suppose that there are also many millions have also chosen not to read the book nor prayed to ask if it could be true.
For what it is worth, I have yet to meet a person who has with a humble and sincere desire for truth, read the Book of Mormon, prayed to know if it is true and not received a confirmation of the Spirit.

Read the Book of Mormon and ask God for yourself it is of Him or not!

If any of you choose to do so or have already done so, I would be interested to hear your experience.
 
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Mormons believe black people are curse by God and if they repent they will turn back to white. look it up on youtube that's a JOKE so we carry this blackness down through are children ????? black people can have white children.

Just to be clear the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ( Mormons) teaches that God loves all of his children and is no respecter of persons.


Acts 10:
34 ... Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:


35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.






(Acts 10:34-35)
 
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Let people believe what they want, if you were born in india you would most likely be hindu....middle East Muslim.....and America is dominated by christians atleast for now, no one has won the golden ticket to the chocolate factory....so don't put yourself above others, its pointless and none of the religions can prove anything.....its all faith....no one know s what faiths when we die.....maybe nothing...maybe somethi.g......either way we won't be able to cone back to tell anyone
 

T_Laurich

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Let people believe what they want, if you were born in india you would most likely be hindu....middle East Muslim.....and America is dominated by christians atleast for now, no one has won the golden ticket to the chocolate factory....so don't put yourself above others, its pointless and none of the religions can prove anything.....its all faith....no one know s what faiths when we die.....maybe nothing...maybe somethi.g......either way we won't be able to cone back to tell anyone
That is a genetic fallacy... But besides that; no other religion has a historically correct, archaeologically correct, and logically correct religion...

The LDS was created by a false prophet...

So let me ask you a question...
There are 3 lines, only 1 line leads to a luxurious resort, the other 2 lead to slums... The first line proclaims that it leads to the slums, and has proof it does... The second line says it leads to the resort but has a history of lieing, and the third line says it leads to the resort, and has no history of lieing... Do you not think that those who want to go to the resort should be given the truth about what line they are in?
 
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Tintin

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Let people believe what they want, if you were born in india you would most likely be hindu....middle East Muslim.....and America is dominated by christians atleast for now, no one has won the golden ticket to the chocolate factory....so don't put yourself above others, its pointless and none of the religions can prove anything.....its all faith....no one know s what faiths when we die.....maybe nothing...maybe somethi.g......either way we won't be able to cone back to tell anyone
That's terrible advice to give on a CHRISTIAN CHAT forum.
 
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Tintin......this chat us open to all people with all kinds of opinions.....if you can't accept that then log off or pray about it, whatever will be best for you
 
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Honesty you can't prove that the Mormon religion is any less real than the Christian religion its all faith based with no facts.....no one had a sure ticket to paradise
 

Cassian

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I know about Islam. It's likely Mohammed's divine intervention was that of a fallen angel, if the fruit is anything to go by. Again, private revelation is very suspect. Doubly so from Joseph Smith's lips.
But that is missing the point. You would of necessity need to say it for Calvin, Luther and any other man who developed their own "bible meaning" from their own intellect.
 

Cassian

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Honesty you can't prove that the Mormon religion is any less real than the Christian religion its all faith based with no facts.....no one had a sure ticket to paradise
For what it is worth, this is probably the most honest statement yet. Given the sola scripturist milieu with its hundreds of differing faiths, thousands of differing opinions on what many aspects of scripture means, has essentially made scripture null and void.

If one would hypothetically place 10 people into the sola scripturist environment who had never been exposed to scripture and when they would ask what it means, no one can actually explain what it means. The best you can offer is that you need to read it for yourself and determine what you believe. The consequence is probably 10 more denominations.
 

Apostol2013

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well the mormon doctrine is a strait heresy and i do not repent of stating this for what i say is truth and i pronounce anatema on such doctrine that preaches another gospel other than the one that was delivered to us by the apostles of Christ
 

Apostol2013

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I am a active LDS member I was surfing the internet under the tag Mormon and this website came up. I did get a chuckle over what you think we believe and this just confirms the statement that a little knowledge is dangerous I know your intentions are sincere but as the other member stated if you want to know what we really believe ask one. If I wanted to find out what you believe does it make sense to you that I would seek out an ex member who wrote a book your beliefs and all the hypocritical people that live within your religion. Or even better say that a person could all the truth from someone that literally hates your religion.
There many here that probably believe that the bible is infallible. There are those here that believe that the very church which compiled the bible is a pagan religion. I have never understood why those of you that believe this can have any confidence that the bible is without mistakes and then believe that all of the scriptures found its way in the book of canon and take the man made understanding of the very character of God from pagans
the highlighted red part of this statement speaks for itself , i as a believer in Christ believe in the whole written word of God as true and nothing man made but holy spirit inspired through holy men of God filled with the spirit....
 

maxwel

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Tintin......this chat us open to all people with all kinds of opinions.....if you can't accept that then log off or pray about it, whatever will be best for you
This is very typical of an atheist.

1. Atheist comes into Christian Forum.
2. Atheist gets ANGRY.
3. Atheist tells the CHRISTIAN to leave for disagreeing with her.

Who do these people think they are?

Why do we tolerate them here?


Note: This person is currently banned, but new ones come in every day acting just as ridiculous.
 
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Tintin

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This is very typical of an atheist.

1. Atheist comes into Christian Forum.
2. Atheist gets ANGRY.
3. Atheist tells the CHRISTIAN to leave for disagreeing with her.

Who do these people think they are?

Why do we tolerate them here?


Note: This person is currently banned, but new ones come in every day acting just as ridiculous.
Maxwel, true. I amended the third point you made. :)

3. Atheist tells CHRISTIAN to leave for disagreeing with her.
 

Cassian

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well the mormon doctrine is a strait heresy and i do not repent of stating this for what i say is truth and i pronounce anatema on such doctrine that preaches another gospel other than the one that was delivered to us by the apostles of Christ
But in light of sola scriptura, which is the Gospel of Christ? Mormonism, Lutheranism, Calvinism, New Revelation, you have no criteria at all to determine which it might be. All of the above are based on man's opinion, personal interpretation. Or, it is based on your own interpretation.