What of the dinosaurs?
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If these YECs could, they would produce articles in reputable journals like this:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v505/n7483/full/nature12788.html
This particular article is about the DNA discovered in 28 human-like fossils. They are dated at over 300,000 years.
What these YECs have is nothing. So they grasp at straws and distort reality.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v505/n7483/full/nature12788.html
This particular article is about the DNA discovered in 28 human-like fossils. They are dated at over 300,000 years.
What these YECs have is nothing. So they grasp at straws and distort reality.
K
The problem with matching these both up is that the big bang by scientist say there was nothing and then bang the universe was formed.
The bible however says that earth was already formed but it was still dark and void. Then God said let there be light.
Formation came before light in the bible, but by scientists big bang theory there was nothing formed. It all happened at once.
Bang = light, stars, suns, planets, universes all formed at the same time
Bible = heaven and earth formed, then light
The bible however says that earth was already formed but it was still dark and void. Then God said let there be light.
Formation came before light in the bible, but by scientists big bang theory there was nothing formed. It all happened at once.
Bang = light, stars, suns, planets, universes all formed at the same time
Bible = heaven and earth formed, then light
I saw this discussion linked to a short item I wrote debunking the Institute for Creation Research claim that dinosaur DNA had been recovered. (It has not).
But reading the thread, I saw several common mistakes that are encouraged by outfits like ICR. There were also some mistakes by people opposed to the young earth ideas. So, I thought I should make at least a brief observation about dinosaurs and biblical interpretations.
First, we modern people are not the first to encounter fossil bones or attempt to interpret them. The ancient Greeks belived that their paramount god Zeus destroyed the earlier gods called the Titans. He turned their bones to stone, and fossils were the result. Adrienne Mayor has written 2 books about the prescientific study of fossils. The cover art below is from an ancient Greek wine bowl. The monster emerging from the right is the skull of an extinct species of giraffe known only from fossils, and the eye was modified by the addition of scalara from either a large fish, or bird.
The fossil skulls of whales, and elephants were interpreted as "proof" of the cyclops monsters found in other Greek myths.
But reading the thread, I saw several common mistakes that are encouraged by outfits like ICR. There were also some mistakes by people opposed to the young earth ideas. So, I thought I should make at least a brief observation about dinosaurs and biblical interpretations.
First, we modern people are not the first to encounter fossil bones or attempt to interpret them. The ancient Greeks belived that their paramount god Zeus destroyed the earlier gods called the Titans. He turned their bones to stone, and fossils were the result. Adrienne Mayor has written 2 books about the prescientific study of fossils. The cover art below is from an ancient Greek wine bowl. The monster emerging from the right is the skull of an extinct species of giraffe known only from fossils, and the eye was modified by the addition of scalara from either a large fish, or bird.
The fossil skulls of whales, and elephants were interpreted as "proof" of the cyclops monsters found in other Greek myths.
The photo that dcontroversal posted a long while back, Post #36, is from Cal Baugh's creation museum. I and others have written quite a lot debunking Mr. Baugh. Stones and Bones: Carl Baugh's many frauds
Here is a detail of the fake:
Each color traces a slight stratification similar to varves. No foot prints could have preserved those fragile structures, let alone multiple overlapping tacks. For more see the link above. (BTW, I am retired and have no financial interests in this at all).
Here is a detail of the fake:
Each color traces a slight stratification similar to varves. No foot prints could have preserved those fragile structures, let alone multiple overlapping tacks. For more see the link above. (BTW, I am retired and have no financial interests in this at all).
Again, posting any part of protected articles (authors charge for access) is illegal. You appear to be limited to the free stuff atheists want you to see. The ICR labs have highly qualified scientists who do their own tests when necessary, use the same testing labs as universities, museums, etc. I recommend their information, which is free to examine. They examine the same public data as evolutionists, as well as their own data, only are not confined to the restrictions of liberty among adademia-controlled "science" advocates. You could escape that academic prison camp and take a better look at what free professionals see.
DNA has been estimated to have a half-life of about 550 years. Frozen samples ought to be the best environment for DNA survival, so at best it doesn't take much math to figure none could leave a measurable trace of intact molecules within about 20,000 years on a big stretch of imagination. Just throwing that in. I do not expect substantial discussions around facts, so that's probably enough fact for today.
DNA has been estimated to have a half-life of about 550 years. Frozen samples ought to be the best environment for DNA survival, so at best it doesn't take much math to figure none could leave a measurable trace of intact molecules within about 20,000 years on a big stretch of imagination. Just throwing that in. I do not expect substantial discussions around facts, so that's probably enough fact for today.
Maybe you forgot to listen. These were two monkeys that had never done this before. That was the point for this particular experiment. And to block cues from the student experimenter affecting the monkeys, she was gowned, and wore the face mask. (Personally, I would have had her wear sunglasses as well).
I am not a cosmologist. However there are two points I think worth noting. The first is that the popular "standard" translation to English from the Greek is not the same as the more recent translations done by actual Hebrew Rabbis and scholars.
The second is that there was necessarily a long (possibly hundreds of millions of years) period following the Big Bang origin when there would be no light. That would be the result because it would have taken that long for gravity to collect suficient matter into clumps that would then form stars. So, if you wanted to push the issue a little farther, there was matter (ie earth) without structure, and dark.
I don't recommend that kind of interpretation at all because the Bible was written as a spiritual text, and not a physics lesson.
Two good recent books on cosmology are;
Krauss, Lawrence
2012 “A Universe From Nothing” New York: Free Press
Susskind, Leonard 2005 "The Cosmic Landscape: String Theory and the Illusion of Intelligent Design" New York: Little and Brown Publishers
This NASA webpage is free and excellent; WMAP's Introduction to Cosmology
The second is that there was necessarily a long (possibly hundreds of millions of years) period following the Big Bang origin when there would be no light. That would be the result because it would have taken that long for gravity to collect suficient matter into clumps that would then form stars. So, if you wanted to push the issue a little farther, there was matter (ie earth) without structure, and dark.
I don't recommend that kind of interpretation at all because the Bible was written as a spiritual text, and not a physics lesson.
Two good recent books on cosmology are;
Krauss, Lawrence
2012 “A Universe From Nothing” New York: Free Press
Susskind, Leonard 2005 "The Cosmic Landscape: String Theory and the Illusion of Intelligent Design" New York: Little and Brown Publishers
This NASA webpage is free and excellent; WMAP's Introduction to Cosmology
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That statement will never be proved since we can't observe that. The only possibility is to prove co-existence by the science method, not using an evolution model. Again, due to the short life of a DNA molecule, there will probably never be enough of it in any one sample to ever link dinosaurs via DNA analysis to anything beyond the fossil associations that are in relative abundance. Proving your negative is probably impossible. What is more probable is the larger dinosaurs avoided human populations like larger and more mobile animals do today.
Predation by whatever humans were in contact with them, along with loss of suitable habitat and food supplies would explain why they would disappear while humans proliferated. We're seeing the same thing today all over earth. During the age of humanity from creation week until now, about 6,000 years ago, there was only one scenario suitable for sudden catastrophic deaths of animals world-wide about 4,000 years ago, offering sufficient sedimentation to preserve embedded plants and animals so well in such amazing quantity and distribution. That is the Genesis flood. Local floods have not been adequate to fossilize like the world average fossils were. Almost all the "geologic column" demonstrates that instead of local floods and uplift/erosion sequences.
There is no reason why very young dinosaurs were not represented on the Ark during the Genesis flood. I call this common sense. They would have made an important part of man's diet during those early years of regrowth. Multiplying forage animals and sufficient vegetation would not likely have sustained any significant number of dinosaurs anywhere, especially the likes of a T. rex. The smaller carnivores had the advantage over the larger, requiring a much smaller portion of prey, so lions made it through along with the others we are familiar with. That is not entirely opinion, but what every wildlife biologist knows in general about animals today. I am one person that will not accept an imaginary ancient world not at all similar to today's world.
I reply to you and others opposed to the biblical record to keep the truth presented for people to know God saw it all happen and has reported it accurately. I want to thank opponents for supplying opportunities.
Predation by whatever humans were in contact with them, along with loss of suitable habitat and food supplies would explain why they would disappear while humans proliferated. We're seeing the same thing today all over earth. During the age of humanity from creation week until now, about 6,000 years ago, there was only one scenario suitable for sudden catastrophic deaths of animals world-wide about 4,000 years ago, offering sufficient sedimentation to preserve embedded plants and animals so well in such amazing quantity and distribution. That is the Genesis flood. Local floods have not been adequate to fossilize like the world average fossils were. Almost all the "geologic column" demonstrates that instead of local floods and uplift/erosion sequences.
There is no reason why very young dinosaurs were not represented on the Ark during the Genesis flood. I call this common sense. They would have made an important part of man's diet during those early years of regrowth. Multiplying forage animals and sufficient vegetation would not likely have sustained any significant number of dinosaurs anywhere, especially the likes of a T. rex. The smaller carnivores had the advantage over the larger, requiring a much smaller portion of prey, so lions made it through along with the others we are familiar with. That is not entirely opinion, but what every wildlife biologist knows in general about animals today. I am one person that will not accept an imaginary ancient world not at all similar to today's world.
I reply to you and others opposed to the biblical record to keep the truth presented for people to know God saw it all happen and has reported it accurately. I want to thank opponents for supplying opportunities.
This proves nothing but monkeys like grapes and natural sugar. There was one point the monkey bit into the rock, he wanted a grape. He seen his friend get a grape and he wanted one as well. They are built for survival, food is part of survival. Are you saying these monkeys were pulled from the wild to these cages, or from a controlled habitat ? The guy also said " they come from a group ", so I don't know the testing that was already done on " the group ". The apes should be much further in the evolution process, right ? Shouldn't a grown ape know he's naked? Why wouldn't he find leaves to put on ? If a elephant is hungry, do you think the ape is coming off of his cache of bananas ?
The dinosaurs were made extinct in the Lord's judgment against Satan's rebellion
And He did not bring them back in His reconditioned earth of about 6000 years ago
The generations of human existence given in the biblical account cover about 6000 years of history
Only the earth stands as an inhabitable planet today .... all of the others bear the scars of judgment
And the earth is just as old as the rest and was also subjected to the Lord's judgment
The biblical account is 100% true and this can even be supported by human observation today
Evolutionary theory is totally bogus and a highly deceptive concoction of men with the objective to prove that the God of the Bible does not exist
And He did not bring them back in His reconditioned earth of about 6000 years ago
The generations of human existence given in the biblical account cover about 6000 years of history
Only the earth stands as an inhabitable planet today .... all of the others bear the scars of judgment
And the earth is just as old as the rest and was also subjected to the Lord's judgment
The biblical account is 100% true and this can even be supported by human observation today
Evolutionary theory is totally bogus and a highly deceptive concoction of men with the objective to prove that the God of the Bible does not exist
God gave us the concepts of physics so natural men could fathom at least in part the spiritual.
1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
In your opening paragraph lies a mystery. How do Hebrew rabbis and scholars who deal with Aramaic and Hebrew (et.al)) scriptures relate to translations of New Testament Greek scriptures into English in a superior way to Greek scholars who translate Greek scriptures into many world languages today?
The Bible says God spoke the finished heavenly bodies into existence, not restricted to time or natural process. It also says God is light, will light up heaven for eternity without natural stars. He was the light before any star appeared by the power in His words. In this place it is understood the Bible is true, and that's my only absolute source of wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. I do appreciate true science, but reject naturalism, which fuels many false religions. The Big Bang hypothesis (can't be a true theory) is the prevailing atheist alternative to divine creation as stated in Genesis. It is on its way out among a host of astrophysicists anyway due to extremely serious disputations by scientists, and has been significantly modified to resemble a fusion of philosophies.
Welcome to CChat! and hold on to yer hat.
1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
In your opening paragraph lies a mystery. How do Hebrew rabbis and scholars who deal with Aramaic and Hebrew (et.al)) scriptures relate to translations of New Testament Greek scriptures into English in a superior way to Greek scholars who translate Greek scriptures into many world languages today?
The Bible says God spoke the finished heavenly bodies into existence, not restricted to time or natural process. It also says God is light, will light up heaven for eternity without natural stars. He was the light before any star appeared by the power in His words. In this place it is understood the Bible is true, and that's my only absolute source of wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. I do appreciate true science, but reject naturalism, which fuels many false religions. The Big Bang hypothesis (can't be a true theory) is the prevailing atheist alternative to divine creation as stated in Genesis. It is on its way out among a host of astrophysicists anyway due to extremely serious disputations by scientists, and has been significantly modified to resemble a fusion of philosophies.
Welcome to CChat! and hold on to yer hat.